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[Favourite store on the CitadeI]

Wearyanna wrote...

So when is the gaming industry, in this case BW and EA, gonna realize that the gamers aren't just (pardon for me generalizing) 14 year old nerds, but adults in their 30:s where more than 30% are women. The stereotype gamers are just you average adult. So why this over sexualised characters with their big boobs, cameltoes and skimpy outfits (yes I mean Diana Allers) who is the fokus group for that?

And yes, not to mention the ridiculous over exposure of Kaidans bare chest at Huerta memorial, while Thane dies fully clothed in his hospital bed.
The love scene with Liara contains the most naked skin (as far as I know) of all the love scenes, while Garrus is fully clothed and fade to black with little more than a kiss, I just don't get it. So some exposure (but not to alien, just a bit) is good, but not to much so it might enrage certain tv-channels aperticular public or what.
Sorry about the off topic ranting, but imo you can make intresting characters in a game with tasteful sexscenes and nudety but in ME3 lots of it just feel cheapened.

Wearyanna out

Hey not all of us hated that 

[Wearyanna]

Favourite store on the CitadeI wrote...

Wearyanna wrote...

So when is the gaming industry, in this case BW and EA, gonna realize that the gamers aren't just (pardon for me generalizing) 14 year old nerds, but adults in their 30:s where more than 30% are women. The stereotype gamers are just you average adult. So why this over sexualised characters with their big boobs, cameltoes and skimpy outfits (yes I mean Diana Allers) who is the fokus group for that?

And yes, not to mention the ridiculous over exposure of Kaidans bare chest at Huerta memorial, while Thane dies fully clothed in his hospital bed.
The love scene with Liara contains the most naked skin (as far as I know) of all the love scenes, while Garrus is fully clothed and fade to black with little more than a kiss, I just don't get it. So some exposure (but not to alien, just a bit) is good, but not to much so it might enrage certain tv-channels aperticular public or what.
Sorry about the off topic ranting, but imo you can make intresting characters in a game with tasteful sexscenes and nudety but in ME3 lots of it just feel cheapened.

Wearyanna out

Hey not all of us hated that 

Kaidans chest was perfectly fine to look at but he looked a little cold after the" tenth" visit.

Wearyanna out

[Nimrodell]

There is no cameltoe when it comes to EDI. When she's without any suit, you can see that it's actually seam, a line all along her torso and I guess that's the part where Eva's torso was assembled - her right side of the torso joined with left. It's normal that in latex suit, you'll see what may resemble a cameltoe to those with dirty thoughts lol. It's just unbelievable actually lol how no one is seeing that thing while EDI is practically naked lol - damn, Benny Hill was right when he made that joke on the beach, sitting and not reacting to all those girls in bikini but when fully dressed one came, he actually went after her lol.

[Sepharih]

Wearyanna wrote...

So when is the gaming industry, in this case BW and EA, gonna realize that the gamers aren't just (pardon for me generalizing) 14 year old nerds, but adults in their 30:s where more than 30% are women. The stereotype gamers are just you average adult. So why this over sexualised characters with their big boobs, cameltoes and skimpy outfits (yes I mean Diana Allers) who is the fokus group for that?

And yes, not to mention the ridiculous over exposure of Kaidans bare chest at Huerta memorial, while Thane dies fully clothed in his hospital bed.
The love scene with Liara contains the most naked skin (as far as I know) of all the love scenes, while Garrus is fully clothed and fade to black with little more than a kiss, I just don't get it. So some exposure (but not to alien, just a bit) is good, but not to much so it might enrage certain tv-channels aperticular public or what.
Sorry about the off topic ranting, but imo you can make intresting characters in a game with tasteful sexscenes and nudety but in ME3 lots of it just feel cheapened.

Wearyanna out

To the first point, I tend to agree, but what's important to understand is that while videogames are no longer a hobby/pastime exclusively enjoyed by males, I believe it's still true that the overwhelming majority of game developers are male.  That's absolutely changing, but understand that in matters like this it's not really them thinking: "man, our young male audience is going to think this is HOT!"
It's more like them thinking: "Oh man...that looks hot!"
You can argue whether that's better or worse, but it's important to understand the distinction.


As to the second point, I firmly believe 100% that the skin or lack thereof is completely a matter of time and resources.  You don't see thane shirtless because in all likelyhood, Bioware has absolutely no idea what a drell looks like shirtless becasue they've never designed it.  They don't have a 3D model for Garrus shirtless because they don't have a 3D model of any turian shirtless.  They probably would have put it in there if they did.

In either case, I agree with Ken Levine about sex in videogames.  There probably shouldn't be any sex in videogames because while there can be a tendancy to think that a videogame sex scene can be as emotional or meaningful as some on film.....when you get right down to it it's basically watching two dolls with their clothes off go at it.
As he put it:
"It's more like....the sex scene in Team America as opposed to, you know, the sex scene in Black Swan"

The romance scene I had with Tali was a nice tasteful fade to black...just like it should be.

Modifié par Sepharih, 21 avril 2012 - 11:20 .

[duffenass]

Electavire wrote...

Whats this area of the ship?

laughed. Hard.

[DTKT]

Artistic integrity.

You can't touch that.

[Gwtheyrn]

It's hilarious, in some ways, but pulling back and looking from the outside a bit, I can actually see why the chassis might have such features, though it didn't need to be so blatant.

Eva was an infiltration unit. In essence, she was designed to not just look and act human, but to gain the trust of the people she worked with in order to be an effective spy. Though it would, ofcourse, have been much easier and more cost-effective to just go with a real human being. However, it was thus entirely conceivable that such infiltration and integration might require or be assisted by some degree of sexuality. Truth, humans are more willing to initially trust attractive people. We're even more willing to trust attractive people who indicate interest in us. And especially with men, that's only multiplied by showing physical interest in us.

So, in short, Eva had to appear and act human in every way. It is not inconceivable then that she was designed to be functional in THAT way. Giving her obvious camel-toe is a way of not-so-subtly driving the idea home that EDI and Joker are capable of physical intimacy. I much prefer this way of portraying that idea rather than accidentally walking in on them or something.

Modifié par Gwtheyrn, 21 avril 2012 - 11:21 .

[cuzsal]

Aetas Mutuo wrote...

Many times durring ME3 I thought about this conversation going on when they were planning out the EDI Story line.

www.youtube.com/watch

hahaha


hahahaha


that was great haha

[the red boon]

Now I understand why joker wants hit that.

[PorcelynDoll]

I find it weird that once Eva's epidermis is burnt off her body changes shape. Change EDI's clothes and she suddenly wears a bra and has privates along with a thinner body. Bizarre.
I had a pair of pants that caused ******. My friend mentioned it to me and I was so embarrassed I went home and changed. Thus I leave EDI in her cute all robot body.

[Tup3x]

This is one reason why I use black outfit for EDI...

[wolfstanus]

Because joker installed a new peripheral

[daguest]

wolfstanus wrote...

Because joker installed a new peripheral

Emergency Induction Port.
In case of emergency. Ask Tali.

[Wearyanna]

Sepharih wrote...

Wearyanna wrote...

*snip*
Wearyanna out

*snip* for not taking up a lot of room in the thread.
In either case, I agree with Ken Levine about sex in videogames.  There probably shouldn't be any sex in videogames because while there can be a tendancy to think that a videogame sex scene can be as emotional or meaningful as some on film.....when you get right down to it it's basically watching two dolls with their clothes off go at it.
As he put it:
"It's more like....the sex scene in Team America as opposed to, you know, the sex scene in Black Swan"

The romance scene I had with Tali was a nice tasteful fade to black...just like it should be.

You have several good points in you post like what some characters look like underneath their clothes etc.

You last paragraph, that's a great point. In case of potential love scenes you can create an emotional response from the player without looking at two naked dolls, the creators just have to be a little creative through dialogue or how cutscenes play out. I mean play it out well enough and people will imagagine the rest.
But I think we can agree on the point that games doesn't need to be sexualized  to the absurd and that at least for me includes spontainous growth of bodyparts and what I listed above. More and more gamers inspite of gender has negative feelings around this.
(Sorry for the bad English, hope my point gets through anyway.)

Wearyanna out  

Modifié par Wearyanna, 21 avril 2012 - 11:35 .

[k-stigus]

sexual integrity

[Sepharih]

Wearyanna wrote...
But I think we can agree on the point that games doesn't need to be sexualized  to the absurd and that at least for me includes spontainous growth of bodyparts and what I listed above. More and more gamers inspite of gender has negative feelings around this.
(Sorry for the bad English, hope my point gets through anyway.)

Wearyanna out  

Oh no question.  The industry needs to mature.  I just want to point out that the problem isn't so much that game developers are trying to appealto immature males....it's more that a ton of game developers are themselves immature males.  

More women are getting into the industry so the culture is changing....but old habits die hard.

[survivor_686]

Recall that EVA is a cerberus designed infiltration unit. Its meant to mimic a human being in every single aspect. In. Every. Single. Aspect.

Combine that with the unit previously named Eva (a deceased, attractive colleague of TIM, whom liked tight fighting clothing) and his TIM sexual habits.....well you get some nasty implications.

[Kaelef]

Nimrodell wrote...

There is no cameltoe when it comes to EDI.

It's not part of the mesh. It's an intentional inclusion in her Alliance outfit.  Check out the screencaps earlier in this thread.

[NS Wizdum]

While i'd like ("like" is probably the wrong term to use here) to think that BW programmed this in to fit the idea that Eva was a "spy" and needed to look human, it probably had more to do with model and texture re-use.

[Wearyanna]

Sepharih wrote...

Wearyanna wrote...
But I think we can agree on the point that games doesn't need to be sexualized  to the absurd and that at least for me includes spontainous growth of bodyparts and what I listed above. More and more gamers inspite of gender has negative feelings around this.
(Sorry for the bad English, hope my point gets through anyway.)

Wearyanna out  

Oh no question.  The industry needs to mature.  I just want to point out that the problem isn't so much that game developers are trying to appealto immature males....it's more that a ton of game developers are themselves immature males.  

More women are getting into the industry so the culture is changing....but old habits die hard.

Ah another good point, thank you for indulging in this discussion! 
Although, excuse me for trying to be a little to much politically correct, that implies that males are just immature no matter age, which is hardly the case. I think it's just a cultural notion among the gaming industry and the developers that are going to sell lots of games in the future needs to change course in this matter. Unfortnatelly BW took a major step back in ME3 with many stereotypical figures and bodyshapes, but Cortez for instance proved to be a breath of fresh air.

Wearyanna out

[LastFadingSmile]

Storage compartment. It's where she keeps her fleshlight. Flashlight! I mean flashlight. ****, what'd I say?

[Spatchmo]

Looks like EDI is applying for a job at Arby's, because look at that roast beef sandwich!

[Alpha-Centuri]

People were mentioning Banshees. Can someone post a pic, I never noticed it

[Jackal7713]

zaeeds rage wrote...

Liara, Edi, and Ash have enormous boobs. Nothing wrong with that, but it's the sudden growth that catches people's eyes.

Liara ME1

Liara ME3

Ash ME1

Ash ME3

I guess they upgraded.

[Joe1962]

Jackal7713 wrote...

zaeeds rage wrote...

Liara, Edi, and Ash have enormous boobs. Nothing wrong with that, but it's the sudden growth that catches people's eyes.

Liara ME1

Liara ME3

Ash ME1

Ash ME3

I guess they upgraded.

Yes...yes they did.