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[Jog0907]

Zkyire wrote...

They basically flat out tell you that both Liara and Tali have a thing for Shepard.

So if you don't choose one of the two, you're actively breaking their hearts.

You're all monsters.

meh tali moves on if shep doesnt romance her in me2

[GhostV9]

Jog0907 wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

They basically flat out tell you that both Liara and Tali have a thing for Shepard.

So if you don't choose one of the two, you're actively breaking their hearts.

You're all monsters.

meh tali moves on if shep doesnt romance her in me2

Pretty much. Liara never does because she probably matures much slower than anyone who doesn't live for 1000 years.

[Drone223]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

Liara is so forced on the players.

I really like Liara I just hate her favoritism

^This, I would have liked her a bit more if she wasn't forced

[Kaelef]

Maybe it's just that I liked her anyway, but I didn't notice Liara being any more "forced" than Ashley was.

[The_Shootist]

Singularity -> Warp = BOOM, Singularity -> Warp = BOOM, Singularity -> Warp = BOOM, repeat as necessary.

[Kaelef]

Sparatus wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

Maybe it's just that I liked her anyway, but I didn't notice Liara being any more "forced" than Ashley was.

Ashley can die and never show up again.

And most of her dialog doesn't seem to be her wanting to romance me.

Ah, I keep forgetting that a lot of you think of plot-critical characters as being "forced".

I found Ashley's dialog just as suggestive as Liara's, though.  (In fact, I felt like the game was pushing me towards Ashley in ME1 far more than Liara.  Maybe we get more sensitive when we don't want to be pushed towards a particular character?)

The_Shootist wrote...

Singularity -> Warp = BOOM, Singularity -> Warp = BOOM, Singularity -> Warp = BOOM, repeat as necessary.

Yep.  I tried to mix-up my squadmates, but it was always Liara + someone-else-to-make-it-interesting.

Modifié par Kaelef, 22 avril 2012 - 05:25 .

[kohlmannj]

She has a very good cute/intelligent badass thing going for her. Also:



And also also:



[Ninja Edit] Finally, a comparison I made earlier in the year:

Modifié par kohlmannj, 22 avril 2012 - 05:40 .

[D4rkSektor]

I like Liara as a character, but I've grown to dislike her more and more as it becomes increasingly evident that she's the writers' pet.

[CuseGirl]

Kaelef wrote...
Ah, I keep forgetting that a lot of you think of plot-critical characters as being "forced".

I found Ashley's dialog just as suggestive as Liara's, though.  (In fact, I felt like the game was pushing me towards Ashley in ME1 far more than Liara.  Maybe we get more sensitive when we don't want to be pushed towards a particular character?)

Liara is critical to the plot only in that she shows you the plans to the Crucible. After that, how critical is she to the story?

The notion of her being forced comes from her perceived plot armor. I mean, Miranda gets WAY more flack than Liara and people usually cite her plot armor in ME-2, but you can orchestrate her death if you want to. Also, the white light scene, even if we're not in a romance, seemed VERY weird to me. It was like "uh....so what are you showing me? why are you showing me this? and why are you leaning your head on my shoulder?" It was like "come on, we're war buddies, but we're not brother and sister, and we're not lovers"

Modifié par CuseGirl, 22 avril 2012 - 05:40 .

[Kaelef]

CuseGirl wrote...

Liara is critical to the plot only in that she shows you the plans to the Crucible. After that, how critical is she to the story?

Honestly, I haven't stopped to think about it. I just assume the writers thought she was critical, so they set things up so you couldn't get rid of her.

Since I never lost any squadmates other than the 3 (4?) required ones, I hadn't noticed that Liara was special in this way.

[Kaelef]

CuseGirl wrote...
Also, the white light scene, even if we're not in a romance, seemed VERY weird to me. It was like "uh....so what are you showing me? why are you showing me this? and why are you leaning your head on my shoulder?" It was like "come on, we're war buddies, but we're not brother and sister, and we're not lovers"

I felt similarly about certain scenes with Garrus and Steve, so I see what you mean - I just don't think Liara was unique in this regard.

[Kaelef]

kohlmannj wrote...

Where's this image from?

[tractrpl]

You like your gf, but I may not tell you I think she's ugly, so...

[Zakatak757]

Ashley is alchoholic tomboy and a racist.
Miranda is horse-faced **** made of silicon.
Tali has a sexy voice, but 3 fingers is a turn off (and she ****s in that suit).

Liara is sweet, kind, intelligent, has a dynamic personality...
...lol jk bewbs.

[Menethra]

Ever played Warcraft?

She's basically Mass Effects version of thrall, constantly put in the spotlight because she's one of the writers creations every other character gets less screen time due to it.

But then again i don't see the appeal to liara she's just another mary sue to me.

Modifié par Menethra, 22 avril 2012 - 06:04 .

[kohlmannj]

CuseGirl wrote...

Kaelef wrote...
Ah, I keep forgetting that a lot of you think of plot-critical characters as being "forced".

I found Ashley's dialog just as suggestive as Liara's, though.  (In fact, I felt like the game was pushing me towards Ashley in ME1 far more than Liara.  Maybe we get more sensitive when we don't want to be pushed towards a particular character?)

Liara is critical to the plot only in that she shows you the plans to the Crucible. After that, how critical is she to the story?

The notion of her being forced comes from her perceived plot armor. I mean, Miranda gets WAY more flack than Liara and people usually cite her plot armor in ME-2, but you can orchestrate her death if you want to. Also, the white light scene, even if we're not in a romance, seemed VERY weird to me. It was like "uh....so what are you showing me? why are you showing me this? and why are you leaning your head on my shoulder?" It was like "come on, we're war buddies, but we're not brother and sister, and we're not lovers"

It surely depends on how your role played your Shepard, but even if I hadn't romanced Liara, the emotion of the scene played out like a wordless final conversation. The sense I got from that scene was this:

"Shepard,

"You saved me from the Geth on Therum. You were there when I watched my mother die on Illium.

"I was there when the Collectors destroyed our ship and killed you. That day, you tried to saved us. You saved as many of the crew as you could. I knew you'd be the only hope of anyone saving the galaxy. So I tried to save you—from the Collectors, from the Shadow Broker.

"I could only do so much. I'm not like you, Shepard—I can't stop the Reapers. But I can help, and it's brought us this far.

"This is the end, and I only wish I could do more. With you there is some hope that organic life might survive to see a better future.

"Thank you, for everything."

I'll admit that head-shoulder leaning might be a little much, but on the other hand, it's good to see friendly physical intimacy between character we care so much about, in terms of handshakes, etc. I mean, would it have killed Shepard to shake Garrus's hand in their final conversation, for example? Or, you know, more hugs, like the scene from Tali's loyalty mission.

One more thought: if Garrus is Shepard's right hand, Liara is Shepard's left. She's just as big a supporting force as Vakarian is; with bravery and brawn comes badassery and biotics.

Modifié par kohlmannj, 22 avril 2012 - 06:09 .

[kohlmannj]

Kaelef wrote...

kohlmannj wrote...

Where's this image from?

It's the artwork on the Liara Pin-Up Tee from the BioWare Store.

I'm just saying, adorable geekery + scientist chic. That's Liara.

[mzink]

I think a lot of people love her eyes, and in ME3 she seems to show a lot of emotion through her eyes. And they probably like the mind meld idea.

[tractrpl]

Liara is Tali with a face and no weird accent. Also, you can presumably sleep with her without much health consequences.  Maybe if they had Tali's actress switch with Liara's absolutely nobody would like Tali.

Modifié par tractrpl, 22 avril 2012 - 06:09 .

[Cadence of the Planes]

The Milky Waver wrote...

I just don't get why some people like Liara so much. In my opinion, she feels too forced onto the players and the game makes her seem so important, and that you should like her because of all of the bonding moments you have with her. But that's just my opinion. 

So Liara fans, why DO you like Liara so damn much?

She is blue

[Zakatak757]

I don't like her head tentacles, and her personality at times. But still, she probably has the prettiest face of all time. Also, those eyes too.

[tractrpl]

What I like to know is how are women interested in Garrus as a love interest. I mean, come one, he's my bro, but seriously girls?

[Kaelef]

kohlmannj wrote...

I'm just saying, adorable geekery + scientist chic. That's Liara.

Hey, you're preaching to the choir.