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[Neria Rose]

Han Shot First wrote...

It means that she is a young adult.  There is nothing disgusting about Liara's age, unless you find people in their early 20s to be too young.

I get Liara fans try to place her human equivalent as 20s in order to make her seem more legit, but the minute she said 'child', I set her up at 18. And I only did that because I assumed Bioware wouldn't allow a genuinely pedophilic relationship in one of their games, otherwise I would have set her lower.

On that note, I'm 27, I wouldn't date a guy younger than me period and if I ever found a girl I really liked despite her lack of man parts, she'd have to be 25+. I can't stand teenagers. I can't stand that "I'm still growing into who I am" crowd in terms of dating.

But I'm also married, so it's not like that matters.

[Neria Rose]

Seboist wrote...

What makes Merrill so horrid is that she has the Liara childlike persona AND a childlike physique to go with it. That she's portrayed as a sex object to boot is just .... ugh.

Seriously! I had a more developed chest than her when I was 12 (TMI, but you get my point). *gag*

[lillitheris]

Neria Rose wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

It means that she is a young adult.  There is nothing disgusting about Liara's age, unless you find people in their early 20s to be too young.

I get Liara fans try to place her human equivalent as 20s in order to make her seem more legit, but the minute she said 'child', I set her up at 18. And I only did that because I assumed Bioware wouldn't allow a genuinely pedophilic relationship in one of their games, otherwise I would have set her lower.

I'm sorry, but this is just silly. You're allowed to feel that way, but more than anything about the Liara character, I think it's a reflection on you, and I think it suggests some rather unpleasant things. You certainly shouldn't ascribe anything to others because of it.

Edit: Also, seriously, there're 3 really big Liara threads on the Character/Romance forums. Go there to argue about Liara.

Modifié par lillitheris, 22 avril 2012 - 12:42 .

[Daennikus]

Neria Rose wrote...

Seboist wrote...

What makes Merrill so horrid is that she has the Liara childlike persona AND a childlike physique to go with it. That she's portrayed as a sex object to boot is just .... ugh.

Seriously! I had a more developed chest than her when I was 12 (TMI, but you get my point). *gag*

Not on topic but I got the impression that DA is a bit more crude than ME, am I wrong? I don't feel drawn to that series, not sure I want to venture there now. This "loli" philia concept irks me to no end.

[Metalrocks]

beautiful, sweet, can kick ass but is also emotional at the same time, but at least not over the top emotional. very intelligent and is a very nice person to be with. friend or romance.
and her blue color make her look special.

[Zkyire]

Adeste Fideles wrote...

Question: What is so great about Liara?

Answer: she wasn't space-racist Ashley!

my choice on virmire was very easy.

Ashley wasn't even Space Racist Ashley.

[spiriticon]

Liara was Shepard's best friend for both paragon and renegade playthroughs. I'll try to romance her in my next playthrough but it'll be wierd....

[Vilio1]

Han Shot First wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

She specifically states "barely more than a child" (or maybe 'hardly', don't remember, not willing to subject myself to her voice to find out). So barely/hardly an adult. Seriously, disgusts me to a degree that I cannot accurately describe.

It means that she is a young adult.  There is nothing disgusting about Liara's age, unless you find people in their early 20s to be too young.

this

In ME2, Samara notes that the AY syndrom manifests itself at maturity, and that that happened at age 40 for her daughters. You can also overhear an asari on Illium saying "I'm finally out of my parents' house at 60 years old." So, "finally" makes it sound like they leave the house earlier than 60.

109 isn't anywhere near being a "child". Someone in their early 20's who has a PhD, an established career, and is self-supporting would be age-appropriate. She describes herself as having "spent her entire adult life studying the Protheans". And she's been studying the Protheans for over fifty years.

Modifié par Vilio1, 22 avril 2012 - 01:14 .

[Neria Rose]

lillitheris wrote...

I'm sorry, but this is just silly. You're allowed to feel that way, but more than anything about the Liara character, I think it's a reflection on you, and I think it suggests some rather unpleasant things. You certainly shouldn't ascribe anything to others because of it.

Actually, it suggests some normal things. There's nothing more sexually repulsive than a child and anything child-like. Personally, I think there's something wrong with someone who can look at a character and go.. "Hey, she is considered as having just reached adulthood in her society, per her exact words, and she has the naivity and emotional maturity of a child! I want to have sex with that!"

Ten years ago I probably would have reacted more along the lines of "whatever". Now the older I get, the more friends I have getting married and having kids, and the more kids I care about, the more I'm disgusted by the entire concept.

[Naughty Bear]

I'm not in my early twenties yet and i would be in my early twenties when i go uni and that makes me feel old.

[lillitheris]

Neria Rose wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

I'm sorry, but this is just silly. You're allowed to feel that way, but more than anything about the Liara character, I think it's a reflection on you, and I think it suggests some rather unpleasant things. You certainly shouldn't ascribe anything to others because of it.

Actually, it suggests some normal things. There's nothing more sexually repulsive than a child and anything child-like. Personally, I think there's something wrong with someone who can look at a character and go.. "Hey, she is considered as having just reached adulthood in her society, per her exact words, and she has the naivity and emotional maturity of a child! I want to have sex with that!"

First of all, none of those things are factually true. They're your invention. You've been proven wrong in this very thread, most recently in the post above you in fact.

When you, despite this, choose to believe something entirely different, it means you've got some problems you need to solve. Trying to paint the Liara character as “childlike” either in appearance, demeanor, or emotionally, is nearly delusional.

I can't say exactly why, but you're clearly very preoccupied with this matter, to an unhealthy degree. Hopefully it's not affecting your real-world relationships.

Ten years ago I probably would have reacted more along the lines of "whatever". Now the older I get, the more friends I have getting married and having kids, and the more kids I care about, the more I'm disgusted by the entire concept.

Don't try to pull the maturity card here.

Modifié par lillitheris, 22 avril 2012 - 03:11 .

[Neria Rose]

lillitheris wrote...

First of all, none of those things are factually true. They're your invention. You've been proven wrong in this very thread, most recently in the post above you in fact.

When you, despite this, choose to believe something entirely different, it means you've got some problems you need to solve. Trying to paint the Liara character as “childlike” either in appearance, demeanor, or emotionally, is nearly delusional.

I can't say exactly why, but you're clearly very preoccupied with this matter, to an unhealthy degree. Hopefully it's not affecting your real-world relationships.

Oh, I get it! I was wrong! I invented her naivity in ME1, she never actually said that she had little experience with humans and social interactions in general! I invented her youth, I dreamed that she said that "barely more than a child" line and then somehow managed to convince the entire Mass Effect-playing community that she said it! Oh! And I also invented her virginity, she tells you straight up that she's had plenty of sexual experience, right? And, of course, children are generally neither naive nor young nor virgins. They also don't have big eyes and chubby cheeks like Liara in ME1 either, don't know what I could have been thinking.

I also imagined her being unable to "let go" of the corpse of someone who hardly interacted with her (in my game) and keeping Shepard's armor on display in her apartment in ME2, that's not obsessive at all.

And Bioware adding the maturity mark for Asari in ME2 so that Liara's "so young" thing could be played off? I'm not the only one put off by her youth in ME1. Presumably, if they got feedback about Garrus/Tali, they got feedback about her. And that was something that needed to be rectified. So they did. That doesn't change the impression I got from her in ME1.

And my real life relationships are great, thanks for asking . Wonderful husband, wonderful family, and if I were that pre-occupied by it, it would be interrupting work and family time. It's not, so don't you worry about that, jellybean . When it comes down to it, it's just a digital blue girl and her fans. Trust me when I say I don't give a rat's toosh about you .

Don't try to pull the maturity card here.

Actually, the point isn't maturity but that I'm old enough to have friends who have kids and to give a damn about harm coming to them because of perverts. Of course, there are teenagers with kids of their own and their peers who know them and care about them, but that's a whole other can of worms.

[Peregrin25]

People have really turned this thread into some sort of serious discussion. I don't think that was the OP's intention for this thread lol.

on topic though. Liara is a smexy blue alien. That's probably the best thing about Liara. If Asari were real they would probably give you the best braingasm ever!

[lillitheris]

Neria Rose wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

First of all, none of those things are factually true. They're your invention. You've been proven wrong in this very thread, most recently in the post above you in fact.

When you, despite this, choose to believe something entirely different, it means you've got some problems you need to solve. Trying to paint the Liara character as “childlike” either in appearance, demeanor, or emotionally, is nearly delusional.

Oh, I get it! I was wrong! I invented her naivity in ME1, she never actually said that she had little experience with humans and social interactions in general! I invented her youth, I dreamed that she said that "barely more than a child" line and then somehow managed to convince the entire Mass Effect-playing community that she said it!

In short, yes, you're wrong. If you're able to, you should review your ‘evidence’.

OR, consider this: let's say that you're correct and that the ‘evidence’ actually suggested that Liara were immature, but pretty much everyone who likes her thinks of her as a woman in her 20's instead. How does that fit into your “everyone is a pedophile” theory?

I also imagined her being unable to "let go" of the corpse of someone who hardly interacted with her (in my game) and keeping Shepard's armor on display in her apartment in ME2, that's not obsessive at all.

Obsessive? Definitely! Relevant? No.

Actually, the point isn't maturity but that I'm old enough to have friends who have kids and to give a damn about harm coming to them because of perverts. Of course, there are teenagers with kids of their own and their peers who know them and care about them, but that's a whole other can of worms.

Quite few of us are old enough to have friends or siblings with kids or – gasp – kids of our own. You don't even need to be very old for that, if you want to be precise. It's not an achievement.

[CuseGirl]

Han Shot First wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

The problem with Liara is that she is forced Shepard as a friend...

No more than Garrus or Joker.

Not really. I can go thru whole ME-2 playthrus without talking to Joker. Garrus as well. Are people aware in ANY WAY that not every ME fan played Mass Effect 1?

[lillitheris]

CuseGirl wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

The problem with Liara is that she is forced Shepard as a friend...

No more than Garrus or Joker.

Not really. I can go thru whole ME-2 playthrus without talking to Joker. Garrus as well. Are people aware in ANY WAY that not every ME fan played Mass Effect 1?

This may be harsh, but I don't think a person can be considered a ME fan if they've not played the first part

Though I agree about the general sentiment that in many sequences, using the LI (where available) instead of Liara would be better. See also my small LI improvements thread in the signature…

[RaenImrahl]

Moving to the character forum, where this belongs.

[CuseGirl]

lillitheris wrote...

CuseGirl wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

The problem with Liara is that she is forced Shepard as a friend...

No more than Garrus or Joker.

Not really. I can go thru whole ME-2 playthrus without talking to Joker. Garrus as well. Are people aware in ANY WAY that not every ME fan played Mass Effect 1?

This may be harsh, but I don't think a person can be considered a ME fan if they've not played the first part

Though I agree about the general sentiment that in many sequences, using the LI (where available) instead of Liara would be better. See also my small LI improvements thread in the signature…

Seriously, does anyone on this site realize the game wasn't made for PLAYSTATION 3? smh....

[Wowky]

Because she is blue.

[Shajar]

Probably teenager boys who can do lesbian sex + she is forced to us so you cant unlike her in game, even angry answers are nicer than some paragon answers for others lol

[Goku16]

liara haters everywhere

[Stalker]

I can actually see what the fans love in her, I even like her to some point, but that is no reason to force her on every Shepard like that.

[Neria Rose]

lillitheris wrote...

In short, yes, you're wrong. If you're able to, you should review your ‘evidence’.

OR, consider this: let's say that you're correct and that the ‘evidence’ actually suggested that Liara were immature, but pretty much everyone who likes her thinks of her as a woman in her 20's instead. How does that fit into your “everyone is a pedophile” theory?

Yes, let's review the evidence. You said, and I quote from your post, "none of those things are factually true. They're your invention." and " Trying to paint the Liara character as “childlike” either in appearance, demeanor, or emotionally, is nearly delusional."

So..

1. Does she say that she is "barely more than a child"? Yes or no? And "pretty much everyone?" I'm sure you can prove that "pretty much everyone" who likes her thinks of her as in her 20s. Both on these boards and off.

2. Does she say she's a virgin? Yes or no?

3. Does she have a big eyes and cheeks in ME1? Yes or no? You can turn to your fellow Liara fans for that one and ask them about the "kitten eye" thing they had going before ME3 came out. Possibly before ME2 came out, honestly don't remember. Were you on the forums between the releases of ME2 and ME3? Or the old boards between ME1 and ME2?

4. Was her obsession with a Shepard who barely spent any time with her evidence of emotional immaturity? It certainly is to me, but perhaps not to you. Other signs would be her jumping right into the Asari mating discussion and expressing interest far too early.

Quite few of us are old enough to have friends or siblings with kids or – gasp – kids of our own. You don't even need to be very old for that, if you want to be precise. It's not an achievement.

And I implied it was an achievement how? There's a difference in how I would react to something at 17 vs. 27. Maybe you were immune to changing as you grew up.

Modifié par Neria Rose, 22 avril 2012 - 08:53 .

[krukow]

I must say, I can't stand her as a romance option(other people like her, and that's why ME used to be cool. CHOICES!), but as Shepard's Girl BFF, she's actually grown on me. She's like the female Garrus (in importance to Shepard, not character traits).
So yeah, I don't get the Liara hate, unless it's just because she gets so much screen time.