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[4stringwizard]

The only reason Liara's as popular as she is is because she's a perfect sex fantasy for young nerds. There, I said it.   She's a hot alien who can reproduce with ANY species, any gender (hot lesbo sex, anyone?), and will look young and attractive throughout all of Shepard's life. You can't tell me that's not a dream come true for many adolescent male gamers.

Modifié par 4stringwizard, 23 avril 2012 - 03:03 .

[Tom Lehrer]

4stringwizard wrote...

The only reason Liara's as popular as she is is because she's a perfect sex fantasy for young nerds. There, I said it.   She's a hot alien who can reproduce with ANY species, any gender (hot lesbo sex, anyone?), and will look young and attractive throughout all of Shepard's life. You can't tell me that's not a dream come true for many adolescent male gamers.

True for many of them but not all. If you look back in this thread they are more then a few who say they like her becuase she is sweet, innocent, and like a child just discovering the world...Pedo territory.

[Peregrin25]

4stringwizard wrote...

The only reason Liara's as popular as she is is because she's a perfect sex fantasy for young nerds. There, I said it.   She's a hot alien who can reproduce with ANY species, any gender (hot lesbo sex, anyone?), and will look young and attractive throughout all of Shepard's life. You can't tell me that's not a dream come true for many adolescent male gamers.

classifying that fantasy as adolescent is kind of dumb. I am 30 years old and I think that having an Asari fantasy is hot as all hell lol.

I am a nerd but yeah... doesn't just fall in the realm of adolescent fantasy.

[Peregrin25]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

4stringwizard wrote...

The only reason Liara's as popular as she is is because she's a perfect sex fantasy for young nerds. There, I said it.   She's a hot alien who can reproduce with ANY species, any gender (hot lesbo sex, anyone?), and will look young and attractive throughout all of Shepard's life. You can't tell me that's not a dream come true for many adolescent male gamers.

True for many of them but not all. If you look back in this thread they are more then a few who say they like her becuase she is sweet, innocent, and like a child just discovering the world...Pedo territory.

As fas as that goers. that's taking it a bit too far. Some people are just creepy and need to learn that there are boundries lol.  the sweetness and innocence part I can agree with. the child likness of her is just down right creepy and wrong. SO yeah, I agree.

[Tom Lehrer]

Peregrin25 wrote...

As fas as that goers. that's taking it a bit too far. Some people are just creepy and need to learn that there are boundries lol.  the sweetness and innocence part I can agree with. the child likness of her is just down right creepy and wrong. SO yeah, I agree.

Nothing wrong with a little fantsay but it does seem some of those creeps need to see a doctor. 

[rubynorman]

4stringwizard wrote...

The only reason Liara's as popular as she is is because she's a perfect sex fantasy for young nerds. There, I said it.   She's a hot alien who can reproduce with ANY species, any gender (hot lesbo sex, anyone?), and will look young and attractive throughout all of Shepard's life. You can't tell me that's not a dream come true for many adolescent male gamers.

What's wrong with admiring a character that evolves in 3 games, her intelligence, compassion, devotement , strength, cuteness, beauty?
There is a thread that complains about Liara's thousand years life span so people shouldn't choose her
I admire the love story between her and my Shep. And my Shep is a piece of me so I love Liara too.
This video is about Liara's comic Redemption It shows her devotement to Shepard.

Modifié par rubynorman, 23 avril 2012 - 04:08 .

[DragonEffect1710]

4stringwizard wrote...

The only reason Liara's as popular as she is is because she's a perfect sex fantasy for young nerds. There, I said it.   She's a hot alien who can reproduce with ANY species, any gender (hot lesbo sex, anyone?), and will look young and attractive throughout all of Shepard's life. You can't tell me that's not a dream come true for many adolescent male gamers.

This! Other than that...I don't why people like her so much... 

She's boring and forced on everyone because Bioware loves her. That's what I think. She's my LEAST favourite character in Mass Effect. But everyone's entitled to their own opinion...

[Tom Lehrer]

rubynorman wrote...

4stringwizard wrote...

The only reason Liara's as popular as she is is because she's a perfect sex fantasy for young nerds. There, I said it.   She's a hot alien who can reproduce with ANY species, any gender (hot lesbo sex, anyone?), and will look young and attractive throughout all of Shepard's life. You can't tell me that's not a dream come true for many adolescent male gamers.

What's wrong with admiring a character that evolves in 3 games, her intelligence, compassion, devotement , strength, cuteness, beauty?
There is a thread that complains about Liara's thousand years life span so people shouldn't choose her
I admire the love story between her and my Shep. And my Shep is a piece of me so I love Liara too.
This video is about Liara's comic Redemption It shows her devotement to Shepard.

Evolve is indeed the right word since ME3 Liara is not the same person as ME1 Liara. They had to rewrite almost her whole personality AND give her some nosense comic just to keep her plot relevent. Jacob, Miranda, or Kia would have been more logical. Hell if Kai save Shepards body it atleast would have made for a cooler backdrop for him in ME3.

[MACharlie1]

In ME2, Liara was fine. I had no problems with her career change or change in personality; it's been two years, her mom is dead and a very important figure to her is dead too. Her DLC - fine. Fantastic piece of work. The lead in comic was fine too - she was truthfully the only one who didn't have anything to do except go back to dig in the dirt.

However...as we get to marketing for ME3, it gets really ugly. Even in ME1, she wasn't that forced upon the player. Sure we had to be mind raped after every mission but that was because she was the asari on board. I didn't have to bring her anywhere. Sure, her voice acting was inconsistent - she says that shes a virgin acting all innocent then switches to seductress: "you intrigue me Shepard...".

Back to ME3...lets starts:

1. The script: Read the director notes for her introduction on Mars. It reads like a bad fanfic.
"James, obviously taken aback by the beautiful asari [...] Liara knows the effect shes having on James." I wish that was all but I can't be bothered to look it up. It's pretty bad.

And then when Thessia is destroyed, everyone else is like "awwwwwwwwww". Where was the awwwws for Garrus? Why did everyone suddenly rally around Liara at that moment? Even Javik sympathizes with her when it's more in his character to tell her to get over it.

I would attack her plot relevance but she is playing Miranda's role in ME2 by moving the plot forward for the player to get to the next spot. It's a necessary role.

2. Genesis: Besides the artwork that accentuates her womanly form...she is is thrown out for the player to say "pick me! pick me!" What about Kaidan and Ashley? Kaidan has a far better written romance then Liara - much more meaningful. It's all in his eyes I guess.

I don't dislike her at all. The character itself is great but it's execution is extremely poor.

[rubynorman]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

Evolve is indeed the right word since
ME3 Liara is not the same person as ME1 Liara. They had to rewrite
almost her whole personality AND give her some nosense comic just to
keep her plot relevent. Jacob, Miranda, or Kia would have been more
logical. Hell if Kai save Shepards body it atleast would have made for a
cooler backdrop for him in ME3.

It's not nonsense since Liara loves Shep whether he/she returns it or not ( she told Shep about her feeling in ME1). So I think it's normal for her to go and find Shep's body.

MACharlie1 wrote...
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And then when Thessia is destroyed, everyone else is like "awwwwwwwwww". Where was the awwwws for Garrus? Why did everyone suddenly rally around Liara at that moment? Even Javik sympathizes with her when it's more in his character to tell her to get over it.

I think because she is a she and Garrus is a he. She is a scientist and Garrus is a soldier. She is working indirectly to find a solution (the crucible) and Garrus is fighting directly. It makes her think that she didn't do enough to help Thessia.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

rubynorman wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

Wow. Some people really have a problem with Liara. I think this thread has actually made me like her more.

<3:lol:

 They just tell you to "deal with it." They even have a picture of Liara floating around with text reading "deal with it" from how often they have to answer to Liara's contrived importance in the series!

It just takes a couple of mins to find these. If you want to know why we love Liara come here




Liara Fans: keep your love blue and true! and we will tell you, this is a hater topic, a lot of us don't come here.

*snip*

^^^

And there it is again.

> Acting like Liara fans don't have a "deal with it" attitude towards critcism, because oh look, there are other pictures like that! This thread is littered with proof otherwise.
> "hater topic" ... sorry, but that's called denial. People are not only criticizing Liara's character, but they are listing legitimate reasons for it. You don't see people just saying "Liara sux" here, there's actually discussion on WHY! At that point, there's no "hating" going on, it's voicing opinions. And it turns out, A LOT of people have a negative opinion on Liara's character.

But as usual, no actual response to that criticism, just dismissing it as "hating." And let's not pretend like walking into Liara's fan thread and asking "what's so great about Liara?" isn't going to get called for trolling so give me a break xD

[rubynorman]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

^^^

And there it is again.

> Acting like Liara fans don't have a "deal with it" attitude towards critcism, because oh look, there are other pictures like that! This thread is littered with proof otherwise.

I mean we have the "deal with it" attitude but other character's fan have it too. It's normal when some people just want to find any reason they can to hate a character IMO.

HYR 2.0 wrote...
> "hater topic" ... sorry, but that's called denial. People
are not only criticizing Liara's character, but they are listing
legitimate reasons for it. You don't see people just saying "Liara sux"
here, there's actually discussion on WHY! At that point, there's no
"hating" going on, it's voicing opinions. And it turns out, A LOT of people have a negative opinion on Liara's character.

Sure you can check all 12 pages to see "there's no
"hating" going on"

HYR 2.0 wrote...
But as usual, no actual response to that criticism, just dismissing it
as "hating." And let's not pretend like walking into Liara's fan thread
and asking "what's so great about Liara?" isn't going to get called for
trolling so give me a break xD

Why don't you give it a try then.

[Tom Lehrer]

rubynorman wrote...

It's not nonsense since Liara loves Shep whether he/she returns it or not ( she told Shep about her feeling in ME1). So I think it's normal for her to go and find Shep's body.

What about Shepards who went renagade every time they talked to Liara in ME1? Is it normal to fall in love with someone that treats you like dirt?

and even if this was the case Asari are tought from brith to enjoy the time they have with their parttner not to go out and give their body to terrorists in the slim hope they can come back.

[Hadeedak]

rubynorman wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

Evolve is indeed the right word since
ME3 Liara is not the same person as ME1 Liara. They had to rewrite
almost her whole personality AND give her some nosense comic just to
keep her plot relevent. Jacob, Miranda, or Kia would have been more
logical. Hell if Kai save Shepards body it atleast would have made for a
cooler backdrop for him in ME3.

It's not nonsense since Liara loves Shep whether he/she returns it or not ( she told Shep about her feeling in ME1). So I think it's normal for her to go and find Shep's body.

MACharlie1 wrote...
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And then when Thessia is destroyed, everyone else is like "awwwwwwwwww". Where was the awwwws for Garrus? Why did everyone suddenly rally around Liara at that moment? Even Javik sympathizes with her when it's more in his character to tell her to get over it.

I think because she is a she and Garrus is a he. She is a scientist and Garrus is a soldier. She is working indirectly to find a solution (the crucible) and Garrus is fighting directly. It makes her think that she didn't do enough to help Thessia.

She and he don't have THAT much to do with it. I mean, no one's really comforting Tali or Ash to that degree. It's probably because of the way Liara's been presented -- young, 'cute', innocent and a bit delicate. She's clearly grown up in the course of Mass Effect, but some of that lingers. Also, Liara has the sort of personality that might deal better with being comforted. Garrus's comfort seems to come more in the big guns, shooting something bad until it stops moving variety. :innocent:

[rubynorman]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

rubynorman wrote...

It's not nonsense since Liara loves Shep whether he/she returns it or not ( she told Shep about her feeling in ME1). So I think it's normal for her to go and find Shep's body.

What about Shepards who went renagade every time they talked to Liara in ME1? Is it normal to fall in love with someone that treats you like dirt?

and even if this was the case Asari are tought from brith to enjoy the time they have with their parttner not to go out and give their body to terrorists in the slim hope they can come back.

I remember that there is a renagade bug in Liara's romance ME1. Liara is crazy in love with Shepard then   Bioware has to find things to keep the story continue I guess but it's not completely nonsense. In most cases Liara loves Shep.
Liara isn't some asari she is a scientist while other asari is mercs, stripper in their maiden years. and their time is 2 weeks to enjoy each other. "She couldn't let Shep go"

Hadeedak wrote...

rubynorman wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

Evolve is indeed the right word since
ME3 Liara is not the same person as ME1 Liara. They had to rewrite
almost her whole personality AND give her some nosense comic just to
keep her plot relevent. Jacob, Miranda, or Kia would have been more
logical. Hell if Kai save Shepards body it atleast would have made for a
cooler backdrop for him in ME3.

It's
not nonsense since Liara loves Shep whether he/she returns it or not (
she told Shep about her feeling in ME1). So I think it's normal for her
to go and find Shep's body.

MACharlie1 wrote...
I

And
then when Thessia is destroyed, everyone else is like "awwwwwwwwww".
Where was the awwwws for Garrus? Why did everyone suddenly rally around
Liara at that moment? Even Javik sympathizes with her when it's more in
his character to tell her to get over it.

I think
because she is a she and Garrus is a he. She is a scientist and Garrus
is a soldier. She is working indirectly to find a solution (the
crucible) and Garrus is fighting directly. It makes her think that she
didn't do enough to help Thessia.

She and he
don't have THAT much to do with it. I mean, no one's really comforting
Tali or Ash to that degree. It's probably because of the way Liara's
been presented -- young, 'cute', innocent and a bit delicate. She's
clearly grown up in the course of Mass Effect, but some of that lingers.
Also, Liara has the sort of personality that might deal better with
being comforted. Garrus's comfort seems to come more in the big guns,
shooting something bad until it stops moving variety. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angel.png[/smilie]

Tali earns her world. Ash is a soldier who has seen much death as well.

I'm gonna return to my home thread now. Bye guys

Modifié par rubynorman, 23 avril 2012 - 06:34 .

[Tom Lehrer]

rubynorman wrote...

I think because she is a she and Garrus is a he. She is a scientist and Garrus is a soldier. She is working indirectly to find a solution (the crucible) and Garrus is fighting directly. It makes her think that she didn't do enough to help Thessia.

Did you see her on Mars? She shot and killed those troopers in the vents without remorse. She made somevery serious threats to the guy we see her talking to during the first meeting in ME2.

Liara is just as much a hardcore soldier as Garrus by ME3.

[Hadeedak]

I was talking about before, when her people were getting blown up by geth. Uh... Clearly, no one's going to talk about comforting her if you kill the quarians off.

It's sort of like after you kill Benezia. Your team really wants you to talk to Liara. That was a bit odd for me, mostly because the turian and human brigade are in the same boat as the blue, except their worlds have been getting owned for longer.

For the record, I'm pretty fond of the character, though she probably wouldn't make my top five of LIs (In no particular order: Jack, Thane, Garrus, Kaidan, Samara's UNREQUITED LOVE thing, for the curious).

Modifié par Hadeedak, 23 avril 2012 - 06:45 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

rubynorman wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

^^^

And there it is again.

> Acting like Liara fans don't have a "deal with it" attitude towards critcism, because oh look, there are other pictures like that! This thread is littered with proof otherwise.

I mean we have the "deal with it" attitude but other character's fan have it too. It's normal when some people just want to find any reason they can to hate a character IMO.

Find a reason? Who needs to find it when we're GIVEN plenty of them.

By Mac Walters's favoritism toward her character.

[Olueq]

I dont hate Liara at all. I do however hate how much favoritism she always gets.

Modifié par Olueq, 23 avril 2012 - 07:28 .

[CptData]

4stringwizard wrote...

The only reason Liara's as popular as she is is because she's a perfect sex fantasy for young nerds. There, I said it.   She's a hot alien who can reproduce with ANY species, any gender (hot lesbo sex, anyone?), and will look young and attractive throughout all of Shepard's life. You can't tell me that's not a dream come true for many adolescent male gamers.

Kinda rude statement. However, the fact Liara is available for both sexes classifies her a bit as "fanservice" since manly needs for lesbian sex got fulfilled in ME1 already. Space elves who're looking like in their early twenties for a thousand years? Manly fantasy. It's not a teenage dream - it's a manly dream

I prefer Ash over Liara since I have no issues with aging.
And I'm 30, male and totally in "dark haired, hazel-eyed tanned girls". So Ash wins over Liara 'cause she's my type - looks & characterwise. Besides that, I'm together with a Liara/Tali-type IRL.

Modifié par CptData, 23 avril 2012 - 08:38 .

[snfonseka]

She is a well written character. May be the best....

[Demonique]

Well, interaction with Liara could have been worse, it could have gone something like this

[VarrenSoldier]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

rubynorman wrote...

It's not nonsense since Liara loves Shep whether he/she returns it or not ( she told Shep about her feeling in ME1). So I think it's normal for her to go and find Shep's body.

What about Shepards who went renagade every time they talked to Liara in ME1? Is it normal to fall in love with someone that treats you like dirt?

and even if this was the case Asari are tought from brith to enjoy the time they have with their parttner not to go out and give their body to terrorists in the slim hope they can come back.

You do realize that if you were mean to Tali in ME1, she still likes you in ME2 right?

[CptData]

snfonseka wrote...

She is a well written character. May be the best....

Dunno. Liara's character changed a lot (and not in a way I can fully understand) to keep her plot relevant. That's not a sign for "well written character".

Nothing against character development, but her character got twisted a tad too often. I think, we have two different Liara's - the bookwormish, social awkard Liara from ME1, which I liked as a friend but didn't see as "sexy". And the ME2/ME3!Liara, who's now a pure badass Shadowbroker and maybe the most powerful person in the entire galaxy - which I still like but I can't find cute anymore. And she's still not sexy for me

[The Star Treker]

Kaelef wrote...

Besides having a more fleshed-out character than most, she's highly intelligent, empathetic and caring, not speciesist (which is what killed Ashley for me right from the start), beautiful, and has very useful biotic powers. She's the good, nerdy girl who's also beautiful and strong.

Tali is a close second-place LI for me - she has some awesome lines and I love her strength.

I wanted to like Miranda, but I found her character boring and one-dimensional.

Dude you nailed it. That's why I love Liara so much. Oh Tali is my close second-place LI as well. 









"I have a name. It's Liara T'Soni. And I'd appreciate you using it from now on! My home was just destroyed... and all he can do is gloat!"


I don't think you want to make Liara angry.

kohlmannj wrote...

She has a very good cute/intelligent badass thing going for her. Also:

Lol. That's the Liara shirt I bought online at the BioWare store.

Modifié par The_Star_Treker, 23 avril 2012 - 09:25 .