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[whalewhisker]

The_Star_Treker wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

Besides having a more fleshed-out character than most, she's highly intelligent, empathetic and caring, not speciesist (which is what killed Ashley for me right from the start), beautiful, and has very useful biotic powers. She's the good, nerdy girl who's also beautiful and strong.

Tali is a close second-place LI for me - she has some awesome lines and I love her strength.

I wanted to like Miranda, but I found her character boring and one-dimensional.

Dude you nailed it. That's why I love Liara so much. Oh Tali is my close second-place LI as well. 









"I have a name. It's Liara T'Soni. And I'd appreciate you using it from now on! My home was just destroyed... and all he can do is gloat!"


I don't think you want to make Liara angry.

kohlmannj wrote...

She has a very good cute/intelligent badass thing going for her. Also:

Lol. That's the Liara shirt I bought online at the BioWare store.

It's funny how people who gravitate towards Liara and Tali always hate Ashley and Miranda and vice versa.

I personally cannot stand Liara and Tali.

[VarrenSoldier]

Well, I'm a Liaramancer, and I like both Ash and Miranda too. Good characters.

[CptData]

VarrenSoldier wrote...

Well, I'm a Liaramancer, and I like both Ash and Miranda too. Good characters.

Hmm, Ashley, Miranda and Tali for me.

Guess some ppl have an interesting mix of LIs.
Ash & Miranda fit together in a way while Tali (or in your case Liara) feels entirely different to those two women.

[Brockxz]

This topic is hilarious because OP asked what is so great about Liara and then as always someone derail that topic to one more Liara hate topic. Every day there is one of those where the same people start post why they hate Liara.
Also i read people say they have a legitimate reasons they hate her but actually non of those are legitimate. You only hate her because Bioware was lazy enough and not to send your LI to creap on you when your Shepard sleeps and so on. You hate her that Bioware decided it's her who recovers your body and not your LI. Not a single legitimate reason here. All those reasons are just Bioware fault for not making every squad member reaction to your reaction towards them count. Yes, game is focused quite a lot on character development and your interaction with them but Bioware fail to actually acknowledge your attitude to them. I also would love to see Ashley, Tali and other squadies actually leave me and don't bother me when I don't give a **** about there problems but that is not a reason for me to start hate topic about them. I can blame only Bioware for not giving me that option.

[gearseffect]

CptData wrote...

VarrenSoldier wrote...

Well, I'm a Liaramancer, and I like both Ash and Miranda too. Good characters.

Hmm, Ashley, Miranda and Tali for me.

Guess some ppl have an interesting mix of LIs.
Ash & Miranda fit together in a way while Tali (or in your case Liara) feels entirely different to those two women.

WHOA hey that's odd for me it's Samara, Ashley, and Jack.

Because they all can kick ass and are cool bad@sses.

Miranda just rubbed me the wrong way.
Tali was iratating to me since ME1.
Liara well in ME3, Liara killed herself for me. Everything about her being shoved down my throat killed her. It all made me wish I had the chance to let her die in ME3. Stupid b!tch can't ever die.

Oh yeah and Liara's home was just destroyed and she goes all PMS on Javik for mearly stateing that the Proteans had saw potential in the Asari,

Ashley, James, Garrus, Primarch Victus, all left their home and saw it being destroyed ya didn't see them trying to start a fight with any one because they were p!ssed off at stupid BS.

Liara lost her mind.

Modifié par gearseffect, 23 avril 2012 - 10:31 .

[CptData]

Brockxz wrote...

This topic is hilarious because OP asked what is so great about Liara and then as always someone derail that topic to one more Liara hate topic. Every day there is one of those where the same people start post why they hate Liara.
Also i read people say they have a legitimate reasons they hate her but actually non of those are legitimate. You only hate her because Bioware was lazy enough and not to send your LI to creap on you when your Shepard sleeps and so on. You hate her that Bioware decided it's her who recovers your body and not your LI. Not a single legitimate reason here. All those reasons are just Bioware fault for not making every squad member reaction to your reaction towards them count. Yes, game is focused quite a lot on character development and your interaction with them but Bioware fail to actually acknowledge your attitude to them. I also would love to see Ashley, Tali and other squadies actually leave me and don't bother me when I don't give a **** about there problems but that is not a reason for me to start hate topic about them. I can blame only Bioware for not giving me that option.

*sigh*
You don't get it, right?

1. at least I don't hate Liara - I dislike Bioware's decisions dealing with her character
2. I'm okay with "Liara recovered Shepard's body". It doesn't make sense, the entire dying-reviving-plot, it's stupid and if I could reboot the series, that part would go. But it's there and have to I accept it
3. Bioware's fault damages Liara's character. Deal with it.
3a. BW had to twist Liara's character to make her fitting for all plot relevant points. Good writers don't do that.
3b. BW wouldn't have to if they had decided to share splotlight reserved for Liara with other characters. No character twisting needed.
3c. The plot works without Liara (or Ashley, Thane, Garrus ...) - it's a writer's decision.
4. It's Shepard's story. Not Shepard & Liara ...

In short:

You say "deal with it Liara virtually replaces your LI every single time when really emotional stuff happens."
I say "deal with it we don't like that."



And I think caring for the LI is -very- legitimate for a RP game that's advertised with "your choice matters". It wasn't my choice to be the "best friend of Liara for all time with a romantic touch and such"


That being said I need to point out I don't hate Liara.
She's a good character and had some of the best moments in the game. She displays what I had hoped for my favorite character AND BW is able to write good stuff. However, I can see the damage done to Liara to make her working as the series' second main character. I'd rather have my LI as the series' second main character. That's when choices DO matter.

Guess now you may get an idea why a lot of people are unhappy with the "lack of choice" represented by Liara's role in the series.

[Karrie788]

CptData wrote...

1. at least I don't hate Liara - I dislike Bioware's decisions dealing with her character
2. I'm okay with "Liara recovered Shepard's body". It doesn't make sense, the entire dying-reviving-plot, it's stupid and if I could reboot the series, that part would go. But it's there and have to I accept it
3. Bioware's fault damages Liara's character. Deal with it.
3a. BW had to twist Liara's character to make her fitting for all plot relevant points. Good writers don't do that.
3b. BW wouldn't have to if they had decided to share splotlight reserved for Liara with other characters. No character twisting needed.
3c. The plot works without Liara (or Ashley, Thane, Garrus ...) - it's a writer's decision.
4. It's Shepard's story. Not Shepard & Liara ...

In short:

You say "deal with it Liara virtually replaces your LI every single time when really emotional stuff happens."
I say "deal with it we don't like that."



And I think caring for the LI is -very- legitimate for a RP game that's advertised with "your choice matters". It wasn't my choice to be the "best friend of Liara for all time with a romantic touch and such"


That being said I need to point out I don't hate Liara.
She's a good character and had some of the best moments in the game. She displays what I had hoped for my favorite character AND BW is able to write good stuff. However, I can see the damage done to Liara to make her working as the series' second main character. I'd rather have my LI as the series' second main character. That's when choices DO matter.

Guess now you may get an idea why a lot of people are unhappy with the "lack of choice" represented by Liara's role in the series.

Agreed wholeheartedly.

[Brockxz]

aagh, yes, Now I have to remind me not to bother with all those Liara hate topics. That doesn't change anything. I better stick to this http://social.biowar...ex/7625338/1337 topic where people are civilized and don't hate other characters because it's not Liara.

Modifié par Brockxz, 23 avril 2012 - 10:41 .

[CptData]

Brockxz wrote...

aagh, yes, Now I have to remind me not to bother with all those Liara hate topics. That doesn't change anything. I better stick to this http://social.biowar...ex/7625338/1337 topic where people are civilized and don't hate other characters because it's not Liara.

Okay.
We're not civilized 'cause we critizise BW's handling of the story and Liara by BREAKING Liara's character to make her working for the role BW had in mind?

Well ... sounds legit.

[Stalker]

Brockxz wrote...

aagh, yes, Now I have to remind me not to bother with all those Liara hate topics. That doesn't change anything. I better stick to this http://social.biowar...ex/7625338/1337 topic where people are civilized and don't hate other characters because it's not Liara.

Why is this thread considered to be full of haters?...

She is just wrong handeled in the game for everyone who doesn't a romance.  /fact
See, we get all these intimitate, semi-romantic scenes with Liara, while our actual LIs are side-lined and barely appear. The dissapointmend is justified. I, for one could deal if Liara is like that, if only my chosen romance would have the same quality of content.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 23 avril 2012 - 10:52 .

[Brockxz]

CptData wrote...

Brockxz wrote...

aagh, yes, Now I have to remind me not to bother with all those Liara hate topics. That doesn't change anything. I better stick to this http://social.biowar...ex/7625338/1337 topic where people are civilized and don't hate other characters because it's not Liara.

Okay.
We're not civilized 'cause we critizise BW's handling of the story and Liara by BREAKING Liara's character to make her working for the role BW had in mind?

Well ... sounds legit.

No, legit would be asking them to make DLC about your LI or whatever you want. Something like LOTSB was for Liara. But of course why bother Bioware, it is easier to make hate topics.  because at least Liara fans listen  and answer 

[Barquiel]

CptData wrote...

Brockxz wrote...

aagh, yes, Now I have to remind me not to bother with all those Liara hate topics. That doesn't change anything. I better stick to this http://social.biowar...ex/7625338/1337 topic where people are civilized and don't hate other characters because it's not Liara.

Okay.
We're not civilized 'cause we critizise BW's handling of the story and Liara by BREAKING Liara's character to make her working for the role BW had in mind?

Well ... sounds legit.

There were some people in this thread who called Liara fans pedophile, despite the fact that the game clearly tells you she's an adult (by asari standarts) for approximately 50 years. That's not civilized, it's simply trolling.

[Gnaeus.Silvanus]

Liara's innocence and naughtiness sometimes.

[Brockxz]

Mr Massakka wrote...

Brockxz wrote...

aagh, yes, Now I have to remind me not to bother with all those Liara hate topics. That doesn't change anything. I better stick to this http://social.biowar...ex/7625338/1337 topic where people are civilized and don't hate other characters because it's not Liara.

Why is this thread considered to be full of haters?...

She is just wrong handeled in the game for everyone who doesn't a romance.  /fact
See, we get all these intimitate, semi-romantic scenes with Liara, while our actual LIs are side-lined and barely appear. The dissapointmend is justified. I, for one could deal if Liara is like that, if only my chosen romance would have the same quality of content.

Is she handled right in the game for those who romanced her and never cheated? No. She acts like we were jsut friends until after Cerberus attack on citadel when you finally get a chance to stop friendzoning. So your point is invalid from the start by not accounting everyone who played. So ones again - Bioware Fault and not Liara.

[Shajar]

CptData wrote...

Brockxz wrote...

aagh, yes, Now I have to remind me not to bother with all those Liara hate topics. That doesn't change anything. I better stick to this http://social.biowar...ex/7625338/1337 topic where people are civilized and don't hate other characters because it's not Liara.

Okay.
We're not civilized 'cause we critizise BW's handling of the story and Liara by BREAKING Liara's character to make her working for the role BW had in mind?

Well ... sounds legit.

Could not be said better, ME1 Liara was pure gold, but they change her too much. Now its just big mess, next time she is cook in Normandy SR3? Or maybe Pilot? Just so BW can keep her in main storyline, imo she deserved Wrex/Mordin/Legion type cameo, but this is just too forced.

Modifié par Shajar, 23 avril 2012 - 10:59 .

[The Star Treker]

whalewhisker wrote...

It's funny how people who gravitate towards Liara and Tali always hate Ashley and Miranda and vice versa.

I personally cannot stand Liara and Tali.

Actually Miranda is my third favorite LI and I like Ashley too. They are both my Renegade Male Shep's love interests and consider as my Paragon Male Shep's close friends along with Tali, Garrus, Wrex, Joker and EDI and Liara is his true love. Only character that I don't care for is Zaeed. I just find nothing interesting or badass about him.

Modifié par The_Star_Treker, 23 avril 2012 - 11:05 .

[Stalker]

Brockxz wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Brockxz wrote...

aagh, yes, Now I have to remind me not to bother with all those Liara hate topics. That doesn't change anything. I better stick to this http://social.biowar...ex/7625338/1337 topic where people are civilized and don't hate other characters because it's not Liara.

Why is this thread considered to be full of haters?...

She is just wrong handeled in the game for everyone who doesn't want a romance.  /fact
See, we get all these intimitate, semi-romantic scenes with Liara, while our actual LIs are side-lined and barely appear. The dissapointmend is justified. I, for one could deal if Liara is like that, if only my chosen romance would have the same quality of content.

Is she handled right in the game for those who romanced her and never cheated? No. She acts like we were jsut friends until after Cerberus attack on citadel when you finally get a chance to stop friendzoning. So your point is invalid from the start by not accounting everyone who played. So ones again - Bioware Fault and not Liara.

It is all BioWare's fault. That's the point I am trying to make.
No one hates on Liara and her character(okay, maybe some), we are just critizing the way she was handeled by BioWare: The clear writer pet, assumed to the perfect romance for everyone.

Just imagine Liara would be side-lined and Miranda would hit on you all the time asking if you are okay, "write your name in the stars", give you "the gift", even though you loved and romanced Liara.
Wouldn't you be pissed as well?

[CptData]

Barquiel wrote...


There were some people in this thread who called Liara fans pedophile, despite the fact that the game clearly tells you she's an adult (by asari standarts) for approximately 50 years. That's not civilized, it's simply trolling.

That's a rude statement that should be reported since it's directly offending people.
It's not "hating Liara" it's "hating Liara's fandom". Light difference, but a difference that may result in several bans.

Just saying it.

Neither do I hate Liara nor her fandom. I just dislike the way how BW ignored most of the other LIs in ME3 by either sidelining or cutting content.



And "demanding more stuff for your favorite LI via DLC" is not the same like "getting everything with the vanilla game". Liara fans didn't have to pay extra for a well done romance.
(Different posting's answer)

Modifié par CptData, 23 avril 2012 - 11:08 .

[Hellfire257]

Hate is a strong word, and one that Liara doesn't deserve IMO. She's a pain in the arse always popping up when you expected someone else *sigh*, but that's not her fault, it's the writer's.

[Brockxz]

Mr Massakka wrote...

It is all BioWare's fault. That's the point I am trying to make.
No one hates on Liara and her character(okay, maybe some), we are just critizing the way she was handeled by BioWare: The clear writer pet, assumed to the perfect romance for everyone.

Just imagine Liara would be side-lined and Miranda would hit on you all the time asking if you are okay, "write your name in the stars", give you "the gift", even though you loved and romanced Liara.
Wouldn't you be pissed as well?

Not at all, I would be glad if Miranda did all those things. I would maybe a little bit abset if Wrex comes in and start to sing serenades for me because that would be just weird but why would i be pissed if the perfect woman comes in and give me "the gift" or whatever? That's my point, I really don't hate anyone. Yeah, I'm lucky that Liara is the one who does those things and I actually really like her character and how she is presented in the game except the Bioware's fault by not recognizing my faithfullness to her and friendzoning me for the half the game and even after romancing her she sometimes is presented a little bit weird but still. Why would I be pissed if someone else gives me "the gift"? So maybe I should be pissed that Miranda gave me location of Cerberus main base and not Liara. I'm not that stupid to go and make hate topic about that also it would make sense why would Liara being the all powered information broker didn't know that already. But that's just one more plot hole Bioware won't explain us.

CptData wrote...

And "demanding more stuff for your favorite LI via DLC" is not the same like "getting everything with the vanilla game". Liara fans didn't have to pay extra for a well done romance.
(Different posting's answer)

Hey, we didn't get her in the second game, did we? So we get DLC and I'm actually happy about that and guess what, I didn't come her to say that Bioware mishandled her and why I can't have her in squad or anything.

Modifié par Brockxz, 23 avril 2012 - 11:21 .

[CptData]

Brockxz wrote...

CptData wrote...

And "demanding more stuff for your favorite LI via DLC" is not the same like "getting everything with the vanilla game". Liara fans didn't have to pay extra for a well done romance.
(Different posting's answer)

Hey, we didn't get her in the second game, did we? So we get DLC and I'm actually happy about that and guess what, I didn't come her to say that Bioware mishandled her and why I can't have her in squad or anything.

Afaik LotSB was planned as integral part of ME2. It got removed and reused as DLC with a lot more fluff. Not sure about Arrival. By the way, you had her in the squad for a few missions. And she had some touching moments here.

I dunno why the VS didn't get the same treatment in ME2.
And I definitely don't get it why nearly all romances got sidelined & reduced in some way in ME3. It doesn't make sense from a writer's PoV. Economical reasons? Got the rest of the LIs shafted 'cause BW ran out of time and money?

It's just not fair. That shouldn't provoke "hate" towards Liara but "dislike" towards BW and EA.
It's not Liara's fault after all.

However your choice does matter got virtually scrapped in ME3. By economical reasons? Well played, EA. Not.

Modifié par CptData, 23 avril 2012 - 11:32 .

[pprrff]

I have a theory why so many anti liara post pop up, it is actually make sense given how beware writes returning character.

Everyone from ME1 except VS is written as true companion to Shepard with whom they share a deep bond. The problem is that not everyone likes all their squad mate that, it can be confusing to find that liara is your bff when you ignored her in the last game. Tali and Garrus too, but slot more people like them so less complaints.

So the root of the problem is that bioware didn't let player choice matter when we neglect them. Plus you get a chance to kill off people you hate. Killing Tali in ME2 make me less annoyed with her and like her better in sbusequent saves. People don't get catharsis with Liara in game so they pile it on here.

Modifié par pprrff, 23 avril 2012 - 02:28 .

[BeDotWe]

Because she seems to be a sweet and unselfish person that really cares about Shepard. She doesn't expect anything in return, I mean you can turn her down any time you want.

I mean I understand if you don't romance her or care about her. But how could someone hate a character like Liara? Is it just because she has a lot of screen time? Then you could probably hate Hackett as well.

[lillitheris]

I'll repost my statement from the other love/hate Liara thread

I've said it above, but I'll certainly say it again: I think the other
LIs got shortchanged by the lack of development resources and time. I
most certainly think that the situation should be remedied both by
measures small (see the small LI improvements thread in the signature)
and large (DLC with expanded content for characters).

I also think that, while I personally feel that given the story as written, most
Shepards would indeed consider Liara their friend, a very close one
even, this is not the case for every Shepard, and should therefore not
be forced in Shepard's actions – Liara can of course remain as adorably
preoccupied with Shepard as she is now.

At the same time, the vitriol against Liara is both unhealthy and unproductive.
Rather than bicker amongst ourselves, would it not be better to present
a unified front, demanding that the other LIs are filled out following
the example set in the Liara character?

[Applepie_Svk]

I dunno guys, did you played Mass Effect 1 ?

Let´s just start with facts about Liara:
- Prothean Expert
- Atractive, inteligent, charismatic asari
- her arrival is part of ME1 plot and her mother is powerfull matriarch helping to Saren
- her knowledge about protheans and reading your mind for prothean´s cypher
- Pre-ME2 She save your body from Collectors and give it to Cerberus, noone from your friends or old employers did what she accomplish (Spectre, Council, AN)
- ME 2 information broker which look for way to avenge Feron´s abduction, when you help her she become the new Shadobroker
- for whole game since first game her romance was a cannon, it is hard to tell why just bioware find a love in Liara´s romance more than others but still her romance is one of the best written, as equal of Garrus (aka John Mclane), Tali (aka chick in suit), Thane (aka assasino-monk) (for me 4 best romance choices)