thats1evildude wrote...
Ironically, that decision probably helped to save Ferelden. If the bulk of mages and templars had been deployed to Ostagar and they all died because of Loghain's treachery, then there wouldn't have been anyone for the Warden to recruit.
Loghain's "treachery", as you call it, was only done as a military retreat because of the numbers of the Darkspawn horde. Yes, he betrayed his king by leaving him to die. But it was a justified act of treachery in this case, when considering the greater threat.
Loghain more then likely would've come up with a better plan if he had more forces at his disposal. Yes, the anvil and hammer stategy he employed was a failure at Ostagar. But I doubt Loghain would've done the same thing if he had a couple hundred Mages and hundreds if not a couple thousand of Templars to fight alongside his forces.
And especially if Arl Howe hadn't assaulted the Couslands.
In fact, he can't even be said to have killed Cailan. Not really. He kept urging Cailan to stay off the front lines in the battle, but Cailan wouldn't have it. He never wanted to kill Cailan, despite how they were not getting along. I imagine he didn't want to have Maric's son left to die should the plan go awry.
But he really didn't have any choice in the matter.
Before you say "but more mages could have tipped the odds," no, they couldn't. It doesn't matter how much heavy artillery you have on the ground if they're following a flawed battle plan that isn't intended to work.
You're assuming that Loghain still would've used the same strategy we saw him come up with had the Mages been present.
*is going to be joking below, sort of*
And you obviously don't understand that having Abominations vs. Darkspawn would be an awesome military move.
Okay, not an awesome military move. But definitely awesome to see, since Abominations want to enslave the world -- at least the ones that were demons to begin with -- and Darkspawn want to destroy the world.
So an Abomination would be forced to defend itself from the Darkspawn, where either the Darkspawn would end up killing the Abomination but after some Darkspawn were killed or the Abomination would end up killing the Darkspawn.
Either way, it turns a loss into a win-win scenario, for the time being.
Not that I'm advocating turning mages into Abominations and setting them loose on the Darkspawn, but if it did happen it wouldn't mean there was nothing to salvage from it.
And yes, I want to see an Abomination vs. Darkspawn at some point in time.
In fact, if it wasn't for Loghain's stupid scheming, there would have been a lot more mages and templars available for final battle, because without Loghain, Uldred would never have attempted his coup.
Doubtful. Wynne says that Uldred was very vocal about his Libertarian thoughts and we know that he was a blood mage that ratted out -- and more then likely set up -- apprentices that dabbled in blood magic to increase his own standing.
Uldred would've done it eventually, Loghain or no.
Maker's Breath, the Archdemon couldn't have found a better ally than Teryn Loghain if it tried.
Loghain never wanted a war with the Bannorn though. He was hoping to have them all understand that he couldn't save Cailan without risking the loss of the entire army and that they would all unify under his military leadership in an effort to fight the Darkspawn.
It wouldn't have been wise for him to have surrendered immediately methinks, because then he might have faced the hangman's noose and the Bannorn would be scattered and lacking leadership.
Yes, Loghain made some dire mistakes -- most notably casting the Wardens off as unnecessary and keeping the Orlesian Wardens from entering -- but if you actually examine why he did some of what he did, you'll find that it's not because he's evil or bad.
His reasons were solid. The consequences of his actions ended up dashing what he had planned to smithereens.
Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 26 avril 2012 - 04:20 .
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- can be made to see how horribly he overstepped the line with the justification of "things being necessary" and who is prepared to die to redeem himself and save his country, should be spoken about in such a fashion,but similar faults are conveniently overlooked when a certain Templar is concerned:blush:
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