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[CavScout]

DJBare wrote...

CavScout wrote...

A general may control an army but it doesn't not mean he is interacting with every enemy his soldiers encounter.

In the end, it doesn't even matter... it still wouldn't be evidence for lying.

He has every reason to lie, Shepard is about to screw up his billion year plan.

That is not evidence of lying....

[CavScout]

GlassElephant wrote...

DJBare wrote...
*snip*
A greater threat to the catalyst, he does not want you going near the destroy option, so he tells you things like it will kill all synthetic life, if you want to keep EDI and/or the geth alive then this is not an appealing option, synthesis is the extreme and the ultimate goal of the reapers "accession"

But the reapers are defeated no matter your EMS.  Even with the lowest EMS possible that sets Earth on fire, the reapers die and the Citadel explodes (the Starchild's home).  We are still a threat because the cycle ends no matter what.  It could be possible that the Starchild or other AI's like him live outside the Citadel, I suppose.  We never learn where he comes from.

That's the nature of the game. You can't end ME1 with Soverign winning the Citadel battle, for example.

[DJBare]

CavScout wrote...

Point was invalid. It was dismissed.

Yeah, kinda figured that was coming, you have no interest in anything that does not fit your conception of the outcome.

[CavScout]

DJBare wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Point was invalid. It was dismissed.

Yeah, kinda figured that was coming, you have no interest in anything that does not fit your conception of the outcome.

Pot, meet kettle.

[SirBob1613]

Also what would happen to the reapers since there robots that are already part oraganic they would be perfectly fine

[KingKhan03]

SirBob1613 wrote...

Also what would happen to the reapers since there robots that are already part oraganic they would be perfectly fine

Ahh logic has been dismissed in relation to the Mass Effect 3 ending.

[DJBare]

GlassElephant wrote...

DJBare wrote...
*snip*
A greater threat to the catalyst, he does not want you going near the destroy option, so he tells you things like it will kill all synthetic life, if you want to keep EDI and/or the geth alive then this is not an appealing option, synthesis is the extreme and the ultimate goal of the reapers "accession"

But the reapers are defeated no matter your EMS.  Even with the lowest EMS possible that sets Earth on fire, the reapers die and the Citadel explodes (the Starchild's home).  We are still a threat because the cycle ends no matter what.  It could be possible that the Starchild or other AI's like him live outside the Citadel, I suppose.  We never learn where he comes from.

Let me try and explain this again, you need high EMS in order to save earth, reduce the risk of it's destruction, it's not about the reapers, of course they will be trashed with low EMS, but so will earth.

[kalasaurus]

DJBare wrote...

GlassElephant wrote...

DJBare wrote...
*snip*
A greater threat to the catalyst, he does not want you going near the destroy option, so he tells you things like it will kill all synthetic life, if you want to keep EDI and/or the geth alive then this is not an appealing option, synthesis is the extreme and the ultimate goal of the reapers "accession"

But the reapers are defeated no matter your EMS.  Even with the lowest EMS possible that sets Earth on fire, the reapers die and the Citadel explodes (the Starchild's home).  We are still a threat because the cycle ends no matter what.  It could be possible that the Starchild or other AI's like him live outside the Citadel, I suppose.  We never learn where he comes from.

Let me try and explain this again, you need high EMS in order to save earth, reduce the risk of it's destruction, it's not about the reapers, of course they will be trashed with low EMS, but so will earth.

OK, thanks for explaining.  I was confused lol

[KingZayd]

why do you think there's only one synthetic-organic race?

[CavScout]

GlassElephant wrote...

DJBare wrote...

GlassElephant wrote...

DJBare wrote...
*snip*
A greater threat to the catalyst, he does not want you going near the destroy option, so he tells you things like it will kill all synthetic life, if you want to keep EDI and/or the geth alive then this is not an appealing option, synthesis is the extreme and the ultimate goal of the reapers "accession"

But the reapers are defeated no matter your EMS.  Even with the lowest EMS possible that sets Earth on fire, the reapers die and the Citadel explodes (the Starchild's home).  We are still a threat because the cycle ends no matter what.  It could be possible that the Starchild or other AI's like him live outside the Citadel, I suppose.  We never learn where he comes from.

Let me try and explain this again, you need high EMS in order to save earth, reduce the risk of it's destruction, it's not about the reapers, of course they will be trashed with low EMS, but so will earth.

OK, thanks for explaining.  I was confused lol

You can't end ME3 without "stopping" the Reapers. Just like you can't end ME1 without stooping Sovereign. It's just the way the game is played out.

[kalasaurus]

CavScout wrote...

GlassElephant wrote...

DJBare wrote...

GlassElephant wrote...

DJBare wrote...
*snip*
A greater threat to the catalyst, he does not want you going near the destroy option, so he tells you things like it will kill all synthetic life, if you want to keep EDI and/or the geth alive then this is not an appealing option, synthesis is the extreme and the ultimate goal of the reapers "accession"

But the reapers are defeated no matter your EMS.  Even with the lowest EMS possible that sets Earth on fire, the reapers die and the Citadel explodes (the Starchild's home).  We are still a threat because the cycle ends no matter what.  It could be possible that the Starchild or other AI's like him live outside the Citadel, I suppose.  We never learn where he comes from.

Let me try and explain this again, you need high EMS in order to save earth, reduce the risk of it's destruction, it's not about the reapers, of course they will be trashed with low EMS, but so will earth.

OK, thanks for explaining.  I was confused lol

You can't end ME3 without "stopping" the Reapers. Just like you can't end ME1 without stooping Sovereign. It's just the way the game is played out.

That really wasn't the point of what we were talking about, but thanks for clarifying.

[DJBare]

You know what's sad, I do get the ending to this game now(plot holes not withstanding), and it just makes it worse.

[Reptilian Rob]

DJBare wrote...

You know what's sad, I do get the ending to this game now(plot holes not withstanding), and it just makes it worse.

Mass genocide.

Mass slavery.

Mass rape.

Take your pick, buddy. 

[KingKhan03]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

DJBare wrote...

You know what's sad, I do get the ending to this game now(plot holes not withstanding), and it just makes it worse.

Mass genocide.

Mass slavery.

Mass rape.

Take your pick, buddy. 

lol the control option is kind of hilarious because in the scene right before he gets to the starchild he is telling TIM how he is wrong:O

lol whut?

[KingZayd]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

DJBare wrote...

You know what's sad, I do get the ending to this game now(plot holes not withstanding), and it just makes it worse.

Mass genocide.

Mass slavery.

Mass rape.

Take your pick, buddy. 

mass genocide. a much easier choice than you might expect.

Modifié par KingZayd, 22 avril 2012 - 04:35 .

[d-boy15]

There is no "best" ending... all endings are equal, it's depend on what you think it's the best for galaxy.

it's like stupid version of all human revolution endings because all logic behind each of DXHR endings
are true and reasonable while ME3 endings are go against all plot in game and logic behind it is unreasonable.

Modifié par d-boy15, 22 avril 2012 - 04:40 .

[GuardianAngel470]

There is no best option. Period. Genocide, forced submission, and complete genetic rewrite without ANYONE's consent are the options presented. They all suck.

If you want to experience the best ending you have to 1) write it yourself, 2) read other people's, 3) watch a Fan Cut, or 4) exit out of the game before you get to Star Child.

[ShepnTali]

Shoot the pipe. No speculation required. I think...

Modifié par ShepnTali, 22 avril 2012 - 04:56 .

[vixvicco]

it appears to be the best but its not. at least not to me. you're deciding for everyone to be genetically modified, quite unethical. but at the same time i can understand the appeal, but they are all crap choices. the real question is why are any of them supposedly the best choices?

[richard_rider]

Can't control them, synthesis is what reapers want, also synthesis is how husks are created, the only real option (IMO) is destroy, destroy and destroy...also the kid has no reason to tell the truth...he does, however, have a reason to convince you NOT TO DESTROY HIM.

[porky88]

I think you can make a case for synthesis. From one standpoint, synthesis is the final form of evolution, so Shep is enlightening the galaxy. You can see why people would be against this. Hell, I don’t want anyone messing with my DNA, but we’d probably change our tune after the fact. There’s simply no way for us to comprehend the final form of evolution. It’d like the first cave dweller (or Adam if you prefer) comprehending nukes.

With that said, that's a crapload of responsibility to give to just one individual. Then again, so are the genophage and the Rachni. Assuming the IT theory isn't true, then synthesis is probably Bioware's version of a happy ending, though I‘m sure the developers have different opinions themselves. Still, Shep makes the ultimate sacrifice to end the conflict between organics and synthetics forever.

Destroy makes you a conqueror, but it doesn't give you everlasting peace. It's certainly a nice short-term option. Eventually your children will build synthetics, though. That seems inevitable. Over the next 50,000 years, humans (or our evolved form) will just build synthetics and they'll rebel. We'll probably build an AI much like the Catalyst and it will draw the same conclusion as the original Catalyst. Thus a certain form of the Reapers really lives, even if you choose to destroy them.

On surface, the Geth & Quarians are an example of potential peace, but choosing destroy wipes the Geth out. It’s a moot point then and that’s assuming the Geth are unique. The Geth will probably continue to advance and eventually form a new consensus. This could be very, very bad for the fate of organics.

Control is merging Shep with the Reapers. Similar to the Catalyst, I assume. The Catalyst and the Reapers are one in the same. He refers to destroying the Reapers as us. Shepherd becomes their catalyst. The Reapers leave under Shep‘s will, but probably not for good. Perhaps having the essence of Shep (if you will) influence them puts your mind at ease. It ends the fighting, but the Reapers remain on call. Control is a failsafe ending.

Either way, every ending is designed to end the Reaper Cycle without the destruction of advanced organic life. Two of the endings represent a short-term fix, but it fails to end the conflict between synthetics and organics.

Modifié par porky88, 26 avril 2012 - 04:43 .

[Captain_Obvious_au]

Unless you believe Indoctrination Theory, in which case Synthasis is Shepard completing the job of the Reapers for them forever.

[Arxduke]

I accidentally had the synthetic ending, as I didn't realize that the platform branched off into three distinct directions, I went straight for the beam, thinking it would have me choose there. (It didn't help that my sisters were annoying and bugging the crap out of me so I obviously missed the obviousness of it all) I was so pissed when it happened, when I realized I obviously did something wrong to have the synthetic ending forced on me.

I meant for Destroy, so I re-did the ending (Also pissed me off that you couldn't save the game like at all once you got onto the Citadel) and got my wishes , but it still SUCKED. Emotionaly distraught I sought for my perfect ending and after contemplating it and playing the ending over ten times, I actually came to like the Synthetic ending the best.

Why?

1) EDI, whom I grew to like and whom I got attached to, lives, as does the Geth.
2) Best ending cinematic, EDI gives a good detailed hopeful ending full of emotion, EDI almost seems to surpass the orginal organics with her emotion as she speaks. Crazy cool.
3) Too good to be true outcome, a new peaceful way of life, everyone practically being immortal without squabbling over little things leading to wars.
4) People (Major Coats and Kaidan Alenko especially) look freaking sexy this way.
5) Get to see the QUARIANS UNMASKED in this cinematic. (Finally!)
6) Fastest recuperation, building, with the technology the reapers have.
7) You can still conjure up a fantasy ending that Shepard lives after
all and gets to live FOREVER with their LI. (In my case my gay boyfriend
Kaidan) Heck yeah.

Only crappy thing about it (which is a big deal to many people, and I totally understand) is that the Reapers live, which kinda contradicts the WHOLE point of the game, the whole reason I played 150+ hours in these series (ME, ME2, ME3) ..so makes you go wtf, no way, screw that. Understandable.

But to me, it is the happiest ending for everyone. Except for you love interest and crew, but at least they are alive enjoying the new life Shepard made for them. I just wish... just.... JUST MAKE SHEP LIVE BIOWARE! DO ITTT!!

Make a second extended cut if you have to gosh dang it!

Modifié par Arxduke, 17 octobre 2012 - 06:09 .

[MerchantGOL]

By now we should realize, that all endings have there pros and cons and are equally valid.

There is an ending for every one.