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[Taboo]

Bioware seems to think it's the best option without even realizing that it isn't even possible. Evolution does not work that way nor does DNA.

Who, who, in the name of all that is holy thought this up?

[NoUserNameHere]

Kunari801 wrote...

Who said that Synthesis was the best option?

The game seems to imply that this is some magic cure-all to both the Reaper threat and the Hollywood Tech-singularity threat we've never seen.

[Kunari801]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

Kunari801 wrote...

Who said that Synthesis was the best option?

The game seems to imply that this is some magic cure-all to both the Reaper threat and the Hollywood Tech-singularity threat we've never seen.   

Ah, that's assuming you believe Star-Brat, I didn't.  

[Bill Casey]

Synthesis is the best ending because it forcibly rewrites everything in the universe against its own will and without its consent...

It also affirms that those dirty smelly synthetics you brokered peace and taught core values to will destroy us all...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 22 avril 2012 - 12:39 .

[sth88]

Taboo-XX wrote...

sth88 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Gamble has said that they are looking into the EMS thing simply because people HATE Synthesis.

The general consensus on the forum is that Destroy is the best ending, simply because it removes all possibilities of the Reapers influence in any capacity.

He did?  Where did he say that?

Someone said something about the EMS and muliplayer and he said they were definetly looking into it which tells me in at least some capacity that they are aware that people want to have 4000 to 5000 EMS to see Shepard alive in some capacity without multiplayer.

If that's true, I'm very pleased.  Next to fixing the ending, fixing the EMS system so that you can get all the endings through SP-only is the most important issue with the game IMO.  It's absolutely non-negotiable, because players need to be able to get all the endings after the MP servers are eventually retired.

[Shwiggliness]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

Kunari801 wrote...

Who said that Synthesis was the best option?

The game seems to imply that this is some magic cure-all to both the Reaper threat and the Hollywood Tech-singularity threat we've never seen.

The Catalyst even says there'll be peace forever this way.

Oh yeah. If every organic life suddenly became cybernetic, suddenly it's nothing but peace. 

[ShadowNinja1129]

Shepard is a hypocrite regardless of what he/she chooses unless Shep was a dick to EDI and the geth and chooses Destroy. But to answer your question:

The game's logic: Synthesis is "teh bestest" because you effectively solve the meta-issue that drives the Reapers' existence. You save the galaxy from itself and supposedly prevent organics from creating hostile synthetics because now organic and synthetic are the same, there's no distinction between the two. And if there's no source for difference, there's no source for conflict. You also save everyone by ascending them without turning them into Reapers, meaning that despite the fact organic and synthetic are equivalent, everyone retains their individual identity.
/gamelogic

Is this ethical? No. Does it contradict itself to a certain extent? Yes. But it is the game's logic, sadly. Also, some (including myself) argue that Destroy+Shep Lives is considered the "best" ending by the game because it requires the most EMS to unlock and actually allows Shep to survive the conflict (which kind of implies that its the right choice, or at least the selfish one).

Modifié par ShadowNinja1129, 22 avril 2012 - 12:41 .

[Taboo]

Bill Casey wrote...

Synthesis is the best ending because it forcibly rewrites everything in the universe against its own will and without its consent...

We've been wrong all along. Mac Walters is not a space wizard. He was trying to space GOD.

[Guglio08]

Destroy is the best ending because it's most consistent with Shepard's characterization. A Paragon Shepard would always choose Destroy because The Reapers are forcing their views on the rest of organic and synthetic life. A Renegade Shepard might choose Control (although I personally would choose Destroy anyways), but neither would ever choose Synthesis. Never.

[devSin]

I think synthesis is monstrous. As somebody else posted, the implication is horrifying. And like every single choice, it doesn't seem to actually be a solution to the supposed problem (a problem they generate from nothingness a mere five minutes before ending the game).

Because it's so horribly written, it's hard to see that any of the choices have any validity whatsoever, but I can't imagine ever being in favor of synthesis.

[Bill Casey]

EDI: Do you think I should make modifications?

Shepard: Only you can really answer that question. That’s the point of free will.

Modifié par Bill Casey, 22 avril 2012 - 12:43 .

[RocketManSR2]

sth88 wrote...

Because synthetics and organics will always be at war, and synthesis puts a permanent end to that otherwise inevitable conflict, and does so with no extra bloodshed.

Oh, wait, the Geth always wanted to live peacefully with the Quarians, and EDI has the hots for Joker...so war between synthetics and organics ISN'T inevitable...

Yeah, synthesis is the worst ending.

I mean, some of the quarians fought (and were killed) to stop the genocide of the geth. I bet the quarian textbooks don't mention that little tidbit. It wasn't geth vs. quarian, it was a civil war. Their government did a good job covering it up.

[Bill Casey]

Also, why is the option that takes our chances with synthetic life the one that supposedly destroys all said synthetic life?

Isn't the point of that choice that we're taking our chances?

Modifié par Bill Casey, 22 avril 2012 - 12:51 .

[Xellith]

Can you imagine if synthesis happened to humans today as a type 0 civilisation? Can you say mass suicides and war? Synthesis is an abomination.

Modifié par Xellith, 22 avril 2012 - 12:45 .

[Bill Casey]

Padok Wiks: “Every species has a fatal flaw. A flaw that is there’s alone to overcome. We cannot deny them to opportunity to evolve.”

Modifié par Bill Casey, 22 avril 2012 - 12:47 .

[d-boy15]

I never choose that choice...

"better to die on your feet than live on your knees" - Emiliano Zapata

also, look at what salarian did to to krogan, they uplift them, forced evolution on them and look what happen.

Modifié par d-boy15, 22 avril 2012 - 12:49 .

[Bill Casey]

d-boy15 wrote...

"better to die on your feet than live on your knees" - Emiliano Zapata

"We’ll fight and win without it. I won’t let fear compromise who I am." - Commander Shepard


"It's not just about living 'till tomorrow. Sometimes you take a stand." - also Commander Shepard

Modifié par Bill Casey, 22 avril 2012 - 12:51 .

[Humakt83]

Destroy with Shepard living is hardest to reach, not Synthesis.

[NoUserNameHere]

Bill Casey wrote...

Padok Wiks: “Every species has a fatal flaw. A flaw that is there’s alone to overcome. We cannot deny them to opportunity to evolve.”

I love that character.

[warrior256]

I still would argue that destroy is the best ending. You finish what you set out to do (even if you ruin the future of the galaxy as a result). With synthesis, you FORCE every single sentient being (both synthetic and organic) into this path without a choice. I know that if I was given the choice to become partly synthetic, I would refuse. Not only that, but the reapers continue to exist (going against Shepards logic for two games). That's my view anyway.

[Taboo]

Humakt83 wrote...

Destroy with Shepard living is hardest to reach, not Synthesis.

Before it was clarified to Bioware that people think Synthesis is absolutely insane they kept saying that "their" best ending was Synthesis, which is possible with over 3000 EMS.

Too bad Shepard can only survive with 4000+, which is impossible to do without multiplayer.

Thanks Bioware.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 22 avril 2012 - 12:52 .

[ChickenMan77]

Yeah I got tricked and picked synthesis the first time...someone posted...
thinking too long about the implications of that is like a closet full of nightmare fuel...always go destroy..crush the reapers

[Taboo]

ChickenMan77 wrote...

Yeah I got tricked and picked synthesis the first time...someone posted...
thinking too long about the implications of that is like a closet full of nightmare fuel...always go destroy..crush the reapers

I picked it because I didn't freaking care after I was given a choice. Thinking about it afterward.............

[Bill Casey]

If I was given the choice to become partly synthetic, I might accept the offer...
But I would fight to the death for others' right to refuse...

And I sure as hell wouldn't accept the offer from Master Control Reaper to go jump in a laser beam...
That's like accepting Wheatley's offer to jump in a pit in Portal 2...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 22 avril 2012 - 01:01 .

[dgcatanisiri]

I've picked synthesis in two of three playthroughs, just on the basis of it being compromise and the game pointing towards it being the best option - destroy would wipe out EDI and the geth, and I don't want to commit genocide, and TIM wanted control, which makes it almost impossible for me to see it as a good thing. So, because synthesis seems like a compromise between the organic versus synthetics argument, it seems like there's a chance it serves as a bridge. But I can see how it could be seen as a bad thing. I don't think it eliminates freewill or self-determination, just making it so that both organic and synthetic life don't view one another as being 'the other who must be wiped out' but that's just part of my interpretation, and with an expansion, I could easily be proven wrong.

In all honesty, I kinda like that there are things about all three endings that could be positive or negative and you don't know which is the 'best' option. I just wanted more confirmation of what the results of those options were.