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[MisterJB]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Nobody believe Synthesis is the "Best" ending except BioWare... Thats sad.

There are quite a few people, myself included, who believe Synthesis is the best ending.

[Taboo]

MisterJB wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Nobody believe Synthesis is the "Best" ending except BioWare... Thats sad.

There are quite a few people, myself included, who believe Synthesis is the best ending.

There are always bound to be a few people.

I still can't get over it making absolutely no scientific sense though.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Bill Casey wrote...

EDI: Do you think I should make modifications?

Shepard: Only you can really answer that question. That’s the point of free will.

Shepard: You mean about stuff like "don't disobey orders from your superior officers, don't harm humans," and stuff like that? Don't change a thing. 

[kalasaurus]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Nobody believe Synthesis is the "Best" ending except BioWare... Thats sad.

I will always believe in the supremacy of the Destroy ending. Even Control if you could at least somewhat "agree" with TIM vision of controlling the Reaper. Problem is. Shepard railroad the Destroy ending until the very end.

Control just seems too risky, especially after my Shepard just talked the TIM into suicide because she said how "we aren't ready" for that sort of power.  She also destroyed the Collector Base for the same reason...

Destroy = commit genocide and prove Starchild right that peace between synthetics and organics isn't possible
Control = my Shepard becomes a massive hypocrite because she believes she's capable of controlling the reapers. Who knows how long she can maintain control and if she'll agree with Starchild once she gains that unlimited power.

I picked destroy, but I don't really like one more than the other.  At least with destroy I know the reapers won't be coming back.  It's also the most satisfying because it was the whole point of the trilogy.  Sorry, geth/EDI.

Modifié par GlassElephant, 22 avril 2012 - 02:04 .

[Taboo]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

EDI: Do you think I should make modifications?

Shepard: Only you can really answer that question. That’s the point of free will.

Shepard: You mean about stuff like "don't disobey orders from your superior officers, don't harm humans," and stuff like that? Don't change a thing. 

I would imagine that at some point she would be able to make those descions because she is now an unshackled AI.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 22 avril 2012 - 02:03 .

[KingZayd]

Does adding an organic part to synthetics even prevent singularities? if not, then what's the point? If it does, is it fair to limit the potential of a synthetic race?

[ShepnTali]

If you can magically change everyone's DNA, you can magically make eternal peace between synthetics and organics. Man, this is beyond silly.

Modifié par ShepnTali, 22 avril 2012 - 02:05 .

[Taboo]

KingZayd wrote...

Does adding an organic part to synthetics even prevent singularities? if not, then what's the point? If it does, is it fair to limit the potential of a synthetic race?

The whole ending just gets worse and worse doesn't it?

I can't imagine that a synthetic would gain much of anything from human DNA.

[Shwiggliness]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

GlassElephant wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Nobody believe Synthesis is the "Best" ending except BioWare... Thats sad.

I will always believe in the supremacy of the Destroy ending. Even Control if you could at least somewhat "agree" with TIM vision of controlling the Reaper. Problem is. Shepard railroad the Destroy ending until the very end.

Control just seems too risky, especially after my Shepard just talked the TIM into suicide because she said how "we aren't ready" for that sort of power.

Destroy = commit genocide and prove Starchild right that peace between synthetics and organics isn't possible
Control = my Shepard becomes a massive hypocrite because she believes she's capable of controlling the reapers. Who knows how long she can maintain control and if she'll agree with Starchild once she gains that unlimited power.

I picked destroy, but I don't really like one more than the other.  At least with destroy I know the reapers won't be coming back.  It's also the most satisfying because it was the whole point of the trilogy.  Sorry, geth/EDI.

In my Destroy ending both Shep and EDI were alive. So I call bull**** on the Geth dying. That would not make any sense.

This! I saw Shepard breathing, who's to say the Geth are just fine, and the Catalyst is full of ****. 

[111987]

Because synthesis removes the difference between organics and synthetics, which allows a true understanding between them. This is the major source of conflict between the two, and by removing it, it likely ends the cycle of conflict.

Also, a common misunderstanding is that it some how makes everyone the same; this is clearly not true though. All the races still have different cultures, individuals are still individuals, etc...

[Taboo]

111987 wrote...

Because synthesis removes the difference between organics and synthetics, which allows a true understanding between them. This is the major source of conflict between the two, and by removing it, it likely ends the cycle of conflict.

I achieved this when I saved both the quarians and the geth. I brokered peace and understanding by having enough reputation.

Where is star child's logic now?

[ogj835]

Taboo-XX wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Nobody believe Synthesis is the "Best" ending except BioWare... Thats sad.

There are quite a few people, myself included, who believe Synthesis is the best ending.

There are always bound to be a few people.

I still can't get over it making absolutely no scientific sense though.

Just me putting it out there,  but I'm pretty sure it is meant not to make any kind of sense at all. Just think of it as that one conversation with EDI when she said something close to might not be exact phrasing about us living in a universe where 1+1=2 but somewhere else there might be life where 1+1=3.

I don't have a preference for either of the endings, don't really care much for them. It's clear that at the present they aren't presented to us in their entirety. It's really pointless for us to go around trying to debate why this or that ending is better or why this one is the best. It sounds stupid to say it but the endings aren't finished.

Modifié par ogj835, 22 avril 2012 - 02:12 .

[kalasaurus]

Shwiggliness wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

GlassElephant wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Nobody believe Synthesis is the "Best" ending except BioWare... Thats sad.

I will always believe in the supremacy of the Destroy ending. Even Control if you could at least somewhat "agree" with TIM vision of controlling the Reaper. Problem is. Shepard railroad the Destroy ending until the very end.

Control just seems too risky, especially after my Shepard just talked the TIM into suicide because she said how "we aren't ready" for that sort of power.

Destroy = commit genocide and prove Starchild right that peace between synthetics and organics isn't possible
Control = my Shepard becomes a massive hypocrite because she believes she's capable of controlling the reapers. Who knows how long she can maintain control and if she'll agree with Starchild once she gains that unlimited power.

I picked destroy, but I don't really like one more than the other.  At least with destroy I know the reapers won't be coming back.  It's also the most satisfying because it was the whole point of the trilogy.  Sorry, geth/EDI.

In my Destroy ending both Shep and EDI were alive. So I call bull**** on the Geth dying. That would not make any sense.

This! I saw Shepard breathing, who's to say the Geth are just fine, and the Catalyst is full of ****. 

I'd like to believe that too.  I also got the Shepard breathing scene.  Shepard's an organic with synthetic implants, though.

[ShepnTali]

Taboo-XX wrote...

111987 wrote...

Because synthesis removes the difference between organics and synthetics, which allows a true understanding between them. This is the major source of conflict between the two, and by removing it, it likely ends the cycle of conflict.

I achieved this when I saved both the quarians and the geth. I brokered peace and understanding by having enough reputation.

Where is star child's logic now?

And free will wasn't disregarded.

Modifié par ShepnTali, 22 avril 2012 - 02:15 .

[Taboo]

ogj835 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Nobody believe Synthesis is the "Best" ending except BioWare... Thats sad.

There are quite a few people, myself included, who believe Synthesis is the best ending.

There are always bound to be a few people.

I still can't get over it making absolutely no scientific sense though.

Just me putting it out there,  but I'm pretty sure it is meant not to make any kind of sense at all. Just think of it as that one conversation with EDI when she said something close to might not be exact phrasing about us living in a universe where 1+1=2 but somewhere else there might be life where 1+1=3.

I don't have a preference for either of the endings, don't really care much for them. It's clear that at the present they aren't presented to us in their entirety. It's really pointless for us to go around trying to debate why this or that ending is better or why this one is the best. It sounds stupid to say it but the endings aren't finished.

"Not finished" is a pretty good description. Based upon my speculations though, I prefer destroy.

Isn't this what Casey wanted?

[kalasaurus]

Taboo-XX wrote...

111987 wrote...

Because synthesis removes the difference between organics and synthetics, which allows a true understanding between them. This is the major source of conflict between the two, and by removing it, it likely ends the cycle of conflict.

I achieved this when I saved both the quarians and the geth. I brokered peace and understanding by having enough reputation.

Where is star child's logic now?

If the game wanted this to be the message, then it shouldn't have even been possible to make peace between the Quarians and the Geth.

[Taboo]

GlassElephant wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

111987 wrote...

Because synthesis removes the difference between organics and synthetics, which allows a true understanding between them. This is the major source of conflict between the two, and by removing it, it likely ends the cycle of conflict.

I achieved this when I saved both the quarians and the geth. I brokered peace and understanding by having enough reputation.

Where is star child's logic now?

If the game wanted this to be the message, then it shouldn't have even been possible to make peace between the Quarians and the Geth.

Someone made a huge derp at the Bioware offices then because the logic is so, SO awful at the end.

[kalasaurus]

Taboo-XX wrote...

GlassElephant wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

111987 wrote...

Because synthesis removes the difference between organics and synthetics, which allows a true understanding between them. This is the major source of conflict between the two, and by removing it, it likely ends the cycle of conflict.

I achieved this when I saved both the quarians and the geth. I brokered peace and understanding by having enough reputation.

Where is star child's logic now?

If the game wanted this to be the message, then it shouldn't have even been possible to make peace between the Quarians and the Geth.

Someone made a huge derp at the Bioware offices then because the logic is so, SO awful at the end.

The created rebelled against their creators, but then they grew up and stopped rebelling.  Will they rebel again and kill all organics?  Apparently.  Now we have to go into hypothetical land and forget about what the game showed us.

[CavScout]

Taboo-XX wrote...

111987 wrote...

Because synthesis removes the difference between organics and synthetics, which allows a true understanding between them. This is the major source of conflict between the two, and by removing it, it likely ends the cycle of conflict.

I achieved this when I saved both the quarians and the geth. I brokered peace and understanding by having enough reputation.

Where is star child's logic now?

Being Nevile Chamberlain in the Mass Effect universe doesn't mean that there will be everlasting peace...

[Taboo]

CavScout wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

111987 wrote...

Because synthesis removes the difference between organics and synthetics, which allows a true understanding between them. This is the major source of conflict between the two, and by removing it, it likely ends the cycle of conflict.

I achieved this when I saved both the quarians and the geth. I brokered peace and understanding by having enough reputation.

Where is star child's logic now?

Being Nevile Chamberlain in the Mass Effect universe doesn't mean that there will be everlasting peace...

War is an inevitability with any intelligent species. But star child seems INTENT on making this the only possibility in which synthetics and organics are involved. HOW DOES HE KNOW THIS IF HE NEVER LETS ORGANICS GET TO THAT POINT? NOTHING MAKES SENSE.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The Geth weren't alive on the destroy ending. I know this for a fact. Why? Quarians won the war.

[kalasaurus]

Taboo-XX wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

111987 wrote...

Because synthesis removes the difference between organics and synthetics, which allows a true understanding between them. This is the major source of conflict between the two, and by removing it, it likely ends the cycle of conflict.

I achieved this when I saved both the quarians and the geth. I brokered peace and understanding by having enough reputation.

Where is star child's logic now?

Being Nevile Chamberlain in the Mass Effect universe doesn't mean that there will be everlasting peace...

War is an inevitability with any intelligent species. But star child seems INTENT on making this the only possibility in which synthetics and organics are involved. HOW DOES HE KNOW THIS IF HE NEVER LETS ORGANICS GET TO THAT POINT? NOTHING MAKES SENSE.

And Shepard can prove that he's wrong because this cycle got the chance to make peace between organics and synthetics.  Wasn't the reaper invasion delayed?

[Taboo]

GlassElephant wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

111987 wrote...

Because synthesis removes the difference between organics and synthetics, which allows a true understanding between them. This is the major source of conflict between the two, and by removing it, it likely ends the cycle of conflict.

I achieved this when I saved both the quarians and the geth. I brokered peace and understanding by having enough reputation.

Where is star child's logic now?

Being Nevile Chamberlain in the Mass Effect universe doesn't mean that there will be everlasting peace...

War is an inevitability with any intelligent species. But star child seems INTENT on making this the only possibility in which synthetics and organics are involved. HOW DOES HE KNOW THIS IF HE NEVER LETS ORGANICS GET TO THAT POINT? NOTHING MAKES SENSE.

And Shepard can prove that he's wrong because this cycle got the chance to make peace between organics and synthetics.  Wasn't the reaper invasion delayed?

Someone, really, REALLY dropped the ball here. They literally dropped a major theme in what five hours time? Seven?