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[Drummernate]

Synthesis wins.

Combining Geth and Organics is so full of win.

[Cobra's_back]

ChickenMan77 wrote...

Because everyone thinks the main character in Mass Effect is Shepard. That's is wrong It's Joker. Synthesis provides him with the happiest ending imaginable... a galaxy set up for him to engage in his deviant robot sex practices.

This


It’s pretty sad Adam and Sex Toy in the garden of Organic Mutation.

[Taboo]

Drummernate wrote...

Synthesis wins.

Combining Geth and Organics is so full of win.

But what would it look like? How is it feasible? Do the geth grow REAL feelings? Organs? Hair? Sex characteristics?

[111987]

Taboo-XX wrote...

111987 wrote...

Because synthesis removes the difference between organics and synthetics, which allows a true understanding between them. This is the major source of conflict between the two, and by removing it, it likely ends the cycle of conflict.

I achieved this when I saved both the quarians and the geth. I brokered peace and understanding by having enough reputation.

Where is star child's logic now?

You brokered peace, but understanding? No; it is fundamentally impossible for synthetics and organics to ever truly understand each other.

Have you ever heard "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"? That could easily be the situation here. Of course the Geth and Quarians would ally now; not doing so would end in both their destruction. Afterwards though? Who knows if the peace can last.

[Taboo]

111987 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

111987 wrote...

Because synthesis removes the difference between organics and synthetics, which allows a true understanding between them. This is the major source of conflict between the two, and by removing it, it likely ends the cycle of conflict.

I achieved this when I saved both the quarians and the geth. I brokered peace and understanding by having enough reputation.

Where is star child's logic now?

You brokered peace, but understanding? No; it is fundamentally impossible for synthetics and organics to ever truly understand each other.

Have you ever heard "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"? That could easily be the situation here. Of course the Geth and Quarians would ally now; not doing so would end in both their destruction. Afterwards though? Who knows if the peace can last.

Peace will never last with ANY intelligent species. Carl Sagan had a wonderful quote about it. "Understanding" only happens in PSA's and Disney movies. Making someone half synthetic will not quell the other "human" half. Nor the Batatrian, Krogan, Salarian etc. etc.

[sth88]

CavScout wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

111987 wrote...

Because synthesis removes the difference between organics and synthetics, which allows a true understanding between them. This is the major source of conflict between the two, and by removing it, it likely ends the cycle of conflict.

I achieved this when I saved both the quarians and the geth. I brokered peace and understanding by having enough reputation.

Where is star child's logic now?

Being Nevile Chamberlain in the Mass Effect universe doesn't mean that there will be everlasting peace...

No one can guarantee everlasting peace, but no one can guarantee inevitable war either.  And since peace CAN be brokered in the short-term, the possibility of long-term peace cannot be taken off the table.

Condemning an entire race to death, enslavement, or mutation for actions they never took (because the Geth never attempted to wipe out all organic life), actions that you have no proof they will ever take in the future, is wrong, plain and simple.

[Cobra's_back]

111987 wrote...

Because synthesis removes the difference between organics and synthetics, which allows a true understanding between them. This is the major source of conflict between the two, and by removing it, it likely ends the cycle of conflict.

Also, a common misunderstanding is that it some how makes everyone the same; this is clearly not true though. All the races still have different cultures, individuals are still individuals, etc...

True and a power hungry hybrid is still going to try to take over the galaxy. It will make up a cultural problem up to get what it wants.

[Drummernate]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Drummernate wrote...

Synthesis wins.

Combining Geth and Organics is so full of win.

But what would it look like? How is it feasible? Do the geth grow REAL feelings? Organs? Hair? Sex characteristics?

Nope.

They just get red blood instead of white.

[SpartanCommander]

Their isn't one. None of them are options I would pick. To bad you can't upload EDI into the Catalyst to find a way to use it against the Reapers or at least cause system problems with them weakening them. Since all reapers are connected to the Catalyst.

[Taboo]

ghostbusters101 wrote...

111987 wrote...

Because synthesis removes the difference between organics and synthetics, which allows a true understanding between them. This is the major source of conflict between the two, and by removing it, it likely ends the cycle of conflict.

Also, a common misunderstanding is that it some how makes everyone the same; this is clearly not true though. All the races still have different cultures, individuals are still individuals, etc...

True and a power hungry hybrid is still going to try to take over the galaxy. It will make up a cultural problem up to get what it wants.

I think of a half wolf/ half dog hybrid. It doesn't really matter how wonderful and cute the dog part is, when the wolf part shows up..........

It doesn't matter if it's Canis Lupus or familiaris either. BAH!

[kalasaurus]

The Geth and EDI emulate organics. EDI truly feels alive thanks to Shepard's guidance. She reprograms herself to be more like organics and feel empathy and not pure self-preservation. The geth ask if they have a soul, they want sentience like organics.

I liked how the game showed us that organics and synthetics had more in common than we thought. Peace was possible through cooperation and understanding. Then the ending tells us that isn't true.

[Taboo]

GlassElephant wrote...

I liked how the game showed us that organics and synthetics had more in common than we thought. Peace was possible through cooperation and understanding. Then the ending tells us that isn't true.

Quote for truth.

I am absolutely appalled that Bioware presented me with this logic at all. How could the person who wrote the beautiful Rannoch section be involved in any capacity at all?

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 22 avril 2012 - 02:57 .

[CavScout]

Taboo-XX wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

111987 wrote...

Because synthesis removes the difference between organics and synthetics, which allows a true understanding between them. This is the major source of conflict between the two, and by removing it, it likely ends the cycle of conflict.

I achieved this when I saved both the quarians and the geth. I brokered peace and understanding by having enough reputation.

Where is star child's logic now?

Being Nevile Chamberlain in the Mass Effect universe doesn't mean that there will be everlasting peace...

War is an inevitability with any intelligent species. But star child seems INTENT on making this the only possibility in which synthetics and organics are involved. HOW DOES HE KNOW THIS IF HE NEVER LETS ORGANICS GET TO THAT POINT? NOTHING MAKES SENSE.

If war is inevitable between sentients, then the Catalyst was logical. His fear of a sythetic-organic war is well founded.

As a side note, organics do get to that point, in our cycle and the cycle prior for sure.

[chammie]

One of the many problem with Synthesis resulting in everlasting piece is why can't you create new synthetics again. Ok fine the Geth and the Reapers are now a combination but what about future creations. They still can be purely synthetic and why wouldn't the same issue once again erupt into a conflict. Its rather short sited.

[CavScout]

sth88 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

111987 wrote...

Because synthesis removes the difference between organics and synthetics, which allows a true understanding between them. This is the major source of conflict between the two, and by removing it, it likely ends the cycle of conflict.

I achieved this when I saved both the quarians and the geth. I brokered peace and understanding by having enough reputation.

Where is star child's logic now?

Being Nevile Chamberlain in the Mass Effect universe doesn't mean that there will be everlasting peace...

No one can guarantee everlasting peace, but no one can guarantee inevitable war either.  And since peace CAN be brokered in the short-term, the possibility of long-term peace cannot be taken off the table.

Condemning an entire race to death, enslavement, or mutation for actions they never took (because the Geth never attempted to wipe out all organic life), actions that you have no proof they will ever take in the future, is wrong, plain and simple.

You're not killing the Geth for what they did. You are killing the Geth as a means of destroying the Reapers.

[InHarmsWay]

Ignoring the whole energy somehow turning all life into cyborgs, I have several problems with the synthesis ending.

The biggest being that the starchild described synthesis as the apex of evolution. Anyone who has a basic understanding of evolution know that evolution has no apex. In evolution you adapt or die. So taking the starchild at his word, you just stagnated the evolution of all life in the galaxy. Not just the space faring races but the non-space faring races, plants, etc. That means life is doomed because it can no longer adapt to new environment and situations.

[111987]

Taboo-XX wrote...

111987 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

111987 wrote...

Because synthesis removes the difference between organics and synthetics, which allows a true understanding between them. This is the major source of conflict between the two, and by removing it, it likely ends the cycle of conflict.

I achieved this when I saved both the quarians and the geth. I brokered peace and understanding by having enough reputation.

Where is star child's logic now?

You brokered peace, but understanding? No; it is fundamentally impossible for synthetics and organics to ever truly understand each other.

Have you ever heard "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"? That could easily be the situation here. Of course the Geth and Quarians would ally now; not doing so would end in both their destruction. Afterwards though? Who knows if the peace can last.

Peace will never last with ANY intelligent species. Carl Sagan had a wonderful quote about it. "Understanding" only happens in PSA's and Disney movies. Making someone half synthetic will not quell the other "human" half. Nor the Batatrian, Krogan, Salarian etc. etc.

It's not so much that the conflict is inevitable, but the fact that the conflict will damn the galaxy forever if a rogue synthetic wins. Tehcnological singularity and all that jazz.

It's not that everyone is half organic, half synthetic; it is a seamless, natural fusion. There isn't a human and synthetic part; there is only a single, collective, unified whole.

[Taboo]

CavScout wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

111987 wrote...

Because synthesis removes the difference between organics and synthetics, which allows a true understanding between them. This is the major source of conflict between the two, and by removing it, it likely ends the cycle of conflict.

I achieved this when I saved both the quarians and the geth. I brokered peace and understanding by having enough reputation.

Where is star child's logic now?

Being Nevile Chamberlain in the Mass Effect universe doesn't mean that there will be everlasting peace...

War is an inevitability with any intelligent species. But star child seems INTENT on making this the only possibility in which synthetics and organics are involved. HOW DOES HE KNOW THIS IF HE NEVER LETS ORGANICS GET TO THAT POINT? NOTHING MAKES SENSE.

If war is inevitable between sentients, then the Catalyst was logical. His fear of a sythetic-organic war is well founded.

As a side note, organics do get to that point, in our cycle and the cycle prior for sure.

He created the reapers to prevent organics from being killed by synthetics. He doesn't give a damn about organics killing organics. Do I need to get the Xzibit picture in here?

[KingZayd]

CavScout wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

111987 wrote...

Because synthesis removes the difference between organics and synthetics, which allows a true understanding between them. This is the major source of conflict between the two, and by removing it, it likely ends the cycle of conflict.

I achieved this when I saved both the quarians and the geth. I brokered peace and understanding by having enough reputation.

Where is star child's logic now?

Being Nevile Chamberlain in the Mass Effect universe doesn't mean that there will be everlasting peace...

War is an inevitability with any intelligent species. But star child seems INTENT on making this the only possibility in which synthetics and organics are involved. HOW DOES HE KNOW THIS IF HE NEVER LETS ORGANICS GET TO THAT POINT? NOTHING MAKES SENSE.

If war is inevitable between sentients, then the Catalyst was logical. His fear of a sythetic-organic war is well founded.

As a side note, organics do get to that point, in our cycle and the cycle prior for sure.

if was is inevitable between sentients, then synthesis is not a solution, as it fixes nothing.

[Taboo]

111987 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

111987 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

111987 wrote...

Because synthesis removes the difference between organics and synthetics, which allows a true understanding between them. This is the major source of conflict between the two, and by removing it, it likely ends the cycle of conflict.

I achieved this when I saved both the quarians and the geth. I brokered peace and understanding by having enough reputation.

Where is star child's logic now?

You brokered peace, but understanding? No; it is fundamentally impossible for synthetics and organics to ever truly understand each other.

Have you ever heard "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"? That could easily be the situation here. Of course the Geth and Quarians would ally now; not doing so would end in both their destruction. Afterwards though? Who knows if the peace can last.

Peace will never last with ANY intelligent species. Carl Sagan had a wonderful quote about it. "Understanding" only happens in PSA's and Disney movies. Making someone half synthetic will not quell the other "human" half. Nor the Batatrian, Krogan, Salarian etc. etc.

It's not so much that the conflict is inevitable, but the fact that the conflict will damn the galaxy forever if a rogue synthetic wins. Tehcnological singularity and all that jazz.

It's not that everyone is half organic, half synthetic; it is a seamless, natural fusion. There isn't a human and synthetic part; there is only a single, collective, unified whole.

Will the galaxy last that long? What about natural phenomenon wiping out the synthetics? Gamma Ray bursts? Black holes? 

Lastly evolution does not work that way. You cannot combine things like that. Where is Richard Dawkins?

[KingZayd]

111987 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

111987 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

111987 wrote...

Because synthesis removes the difference between organics and synthetics, which allows a true understanding between them. This is the major source of conflict between the two, and by removing it, it likely ends the cycle of conflict.

I achieved this when I saved both the quarians and the geth. I brokered peace and understanding by having enough reputation.

Where is star child's logic now?

You brokered peace, but understanding? No; it is fundamentally impossible for synthetics and organics to ever truly understand each other.

Have you ever heard "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"? That could easily be the situation here. Of course the Geth and Quarians would ally now; not doing so would end in both their destruction. Afterwards though? Who knows if the peace can last.

Peace will never last with ANY intelligent species. Carl Sagan had a wonderful quote about it. "Understanding" only happens in PSA's and Disney movies. Making someone half synthetic will not quell the other "human" half. Nor the Batatrian, Krogan, Salarian etc. etc.

It's not so much that the conflict is inevitable, but the fact that the conflict will damn the galaxy forever if a rogue synthetic wins. Tehcnological singularity and all that jazz.

It's not that everyone is half organic, half synthetic; it is a seamless, natural fusion. There isn't a human and synthetic part; there is only a single, collective, unified whole.

does the organic part prevent the synthetics from forming a singularity? if not, then what's the point? if so, then is it fair to limit the potential of a synthetic race?



also lol: natural fusion (of synthetic and organic)

Modifié par KingZayd, 22 avril 2012 - 03:06 .

[InHarmsWay]

Taboo-XX wrote...

He created the reapers to prevent organics from being killed by synthetics. He doesn't give a damn about organics killing organics. Do I need to get the Xzibit picture in here?

Exactly. Organics are more likely to be wiped out by other organics, not synthetics.

[CavScout]

KingZayd wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

111987 wrote...

Because synthesis removes the difference between organics and synthetics, which allows a true understanding between them. This is the major source of conflict between the two, and by removing it, it likely ends the cycle of conflict.

I achieved this when I saved both the quarians and the geth. I brokered peace and understanding by having enough reputation.

Where is star child's logic now?

Being Nevile Chamberlain in the Mass Effect universe doesn't mean that there will be everlasting peace...

War is an inevitability with any intelligent species. But star child seems INTENT on making this the only possibility in which synthetics and organics are involved. HOW DOES HE KNOW THIS IF HE NEVER LETS ORGANICS GET TO THAT POINT? NOTHING MAKES SENSE.

If war is inevitable between sentients, then the Catalyst was logical. His fear of a sythetic-organic war is well founded.

As a side note, organics do get to that point, in our cycle and the cycle prior for sure.

if was is inevitable between sentients, then synthesis is not a solution, as it fixes nothing.

They aren't concerned about any old sentient v sentient conflict. They are specifically worried about one type, synthetic v organic. You can be worried about one type of conflict while not having the same worry about the others. It's not all or nothing.

[CavScout]

Taboo-XX wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

111987 wrote...

Because synthesis removes the difference between organics and synthetics, which allows a true understanding between them. This is the major source of conflict between the two, and by removing it, it likely ends the cycle of conflict.

I achieved this when I saved both the quarians and the geth. I brokered peace and understanding by having enough reputation.

Where is star child's logic now?

Being Nevile Chamberlain in the Mass Effect universe doesn't mean that there will be everlasting peace...

War is an inevitability with any intelligent species. But star child seems INTENT on making this the only possibility in which synthetics and organics are involved. HOW DOES HE KNOW THIS IF HE NEVER LETS ORGANICS GET TO THAT POINT? NOTHING MAKES SENSE.

If war is inevitable between sentients, then the Catalyst was logical. His fear of a sythetic-organic war is well founded.

As a side note, organics do get to that point, in our cycle and the cycle prior for sure.

He created the reapers to prevent organics from being killed by synthetics. He doesn't give a damn about organics killing organics. Do I need to get the Xzibit picture in here?

It complete sentient organic extinction that they are worried about. They have no problem killing some to let others live. Do you even bother to listen to what is said in game?

[CavScout]

Taboo-XX wrote...

111987 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

111987 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

111987 wrote...

Because synthesis removes the difference between organics and synthetics, which allows a true understanding between them. This is the major source of conflict between the two, and by removing it, it likely ends the cycle of conflict.

I achieved this when I saved both the quarians and the geth. I brokered peace and understanding by having enough reputation.

Where is star child's logic now?

You brokered peace, but understanding? No; it is fundamentally impossible for synthetics and organics to ever truly understand each other.

Have you ever heard "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"? That could easily be the situation here. Of course the Geth and Quarians would ally now; not doing so would end in both their destruction. Afterwards though? Who knows if the peace can last.

Peace will never last with ANY intelligent species. Carl Sagan had a wonderful quote about it. "Understanding" only happens in PSA's and Disney movies. Making someone half synthetic will not quell the other "human" half. Nor the Batatrian, Krogan, Salarian etc. etc.

It's not so much that the conflict is inevitable, but the fact that the conflict will damn the galaxy forever if a rogue synthetic wins. Tehcnological singularity and all that jazz.

It's not that everyone is half organic, half synthetic; it is a seamless, natural fusion. There isn't a human and synthetic part; there is only a single, collective, unified whole.

Will the galaxy last that long? What about natural phenomenon wiping out the synthetics? Gamma Ray bursts? Black holes? 

Lastly evolution does not work that way. You cannot combine things like that. Where is Richard Dawkins?

Will you take up the mass effects, biotics and other things in game that are "real" either? Or is this faux outrage?