What others?KingZayd wrote...
CavScout wrote...
KingZayd wrote...
CavScout wrote...
KingZayd wrote...
What's so important about having something organic in the galaxy?
Why do you presume them to not be?
the galaxy was fine when all life was organic. why wouldn't it be fine if all life was synthetic?
You don't see the problem with Galactic wide genocide?
and what's to stop a synthetic-organic hybrid race from doing the same to all the others?
Modifié par CavScout, 22 avril 2012 - 04:06 .
Tazzmission wrote...
KingZayd wrote...
CavScout wrote...
KingZayd wrote...
CavScout wrote...
KingZayd wrote...
What's so important about having something organic in the galaxy?
Why do you presume them to not be?
the galaxy was fine when all life was organic. why wouldn't it be fine if all life was synthetic?
You don't see the problem with Galactic wide genocide?
and what's to stop a synthetic-organic hybrid race from doing the same to all the others?
maybe the catalyst controlls them to his image?
CavScout wrote...
What others?KingZayd wrote...
CavScout wrote...
KingZayd wrote...
CavScout wrote...
KingZayd wrote...
What's so important about having something organic in the galaxy?
Why do you presume them to not be?
the galaxy was fine when all life was organic. why wouldn't it be fine if all life was synthetic?
You don't see the problem with Galactic wide genocide?
and what's to stop a synthetic-organic hybrid race from doing the same to all the others?
Taboo-XX wrote...
The problem is is that everything else in the game was grounded in reasoning and was explicitly understood by the player. I have every reason to suspect he is lying. He does not support his claims. This is probably caused by oversight by the developers but it doesn't make the situation more palatable. The player should have the ability to ask and investigate simply because what he presents us with are enormous and will have huge ramifications. MY Shepard would have asked these questions because I would have as well. Wouldn't you?
My major problem with the ending isn't star child because I can forgive such oversights. What I cannot tolerate is the lack of inherent cohesion in storytelling.
A greater threat to the catalyst, he does not want you going near the destroy option, so he tells you things like it will kill all synthetic life, if you want to keep EDI and/or the geth alive then this is not an appealing option, synthesis is the extreme and the ultimate goal of the reapers "accession"GlassElephant wrote...
DJBare wrote...
This is where some folk are making the mistake, they are equating those choices as a reward for high EMS, it's not a reward, it's presented by the catalyst because you are a greater threat with high EMS.GlassElephant wrote...
Starchild tells you that the peace won't last with destroy. The only option that Starchild, this all-knowing AI, says peace can last is with synthesis. You also need a higher EMS to unlock synthesis, the "new solution" that was unlocked with the most work on the Crucible.
The reason the reapers reap is because synthetics will always kill organics, and peace isn't possible to last. Synthesis solves this problem, apparently.
Perhaps. Do you mean we are a greater threat to ourselves or to the catalyst/reapers?
KingZayd wrote...
Tazzmission wrote...
KingZayd wrote...
CavScout wrote...
KingZayd wrote...
CavScout wrote...
KingZayd wrote...
What's so important about having something organic in the galaxy?
Why do you presume them to not be?
the galaxy was fine when all life was organic. why wouldn't it be fine if all life was synthetic?
You don't see the problem with Galactic wide genocide?
and what's to stop a synthetic-organic hybrid race from doing the same to all the others?
maybe the catalyst controlls them to his image?
to his image? the very same one that has committed more genocide than anything in the galaxy. I thought we were trying to stop the killing?
KingZayd wrote...
CavScout wrote...
What others?KingZayd wrote...
CavScout wrote...
KingZayd wrote...
CavScout wrote...
KingZayd wrote...
What's so important about having something organic in the galaxy?
Why do you presume them to not be?
the galaxy was fine when all life was organic. why wouldn't it be fine if all life was synthetic?
You don't see the problem with Galactic wide genocide?
and what's to stop a synthetic-organic hybrid race from doing the same to all the others?
all the other synthetic-organic hybrid races. you know, synthasari, synthsalarian, synthbatarian, synthelcor, organogeth, synthquarians etc.
CavScout wrote...
KingZayd wrote...
CavScout wrote...
What others?KingZayd wrote...
CavScout wrote...
KingZayd wrote...
CavScout wrote...
KingZayd wrote...
What's so important about having something organic in the galaxy?
Why do you presume them to not be?
the galaxy was fine when all life was organic. why wouldn't it be fine if all life was synthetic?
You don't see the problem with Galactic wide genocide?
and what's to stop a synthetic-organic hybrid race from doing the same to all the others?
all the other synthetic-organic hybrid races. you know, synthasari, synthsalarian, synthbatarian, synthelcor, organogeth, synthquarians etc.
You are doing some weird math with your synthetic-organic race counting.
No reason to suspect something that's been trying to kill my Shepard throughout the series?, okay, as you wish.CavScout wrote...
You have no reason to suspect lies. You just don't like. Because of that you say it is lying.
KingZayd wrote...
CavScout wrote...
You are doing some weird math with your synthetic-organic race counting.
huh? explain?
DJBare wrote...
No reason to suspect something that's been trying to kill my Shepard throughout the series?, okay, as you wish.CavScout wrote...
You have no reason to suspect lies. You just don't like. Because of that you say it is lying.
CavScout wrote...
KingZayd wrote...
CavScout wrote...
You are doing some weird math with your synthetic-organic race counting.
huh? explain?
There is only one organic-synthetic "race".
Modifié par KingZayd, 22 avril 2012 - 04:13 .
Then he does not control the reapers, okay.CavScout wrote...
You never interact with the Catalyst until the end of ME3.
CavScout wrote...
DJBare wrote...
No reason to suspect something that's been trying to kill my Shepard throughout the series?, okay, as you wish.CavScout wrote...
You have no reason to suspect lies. You just don't like. Because of that you say it is lying.
You never interact with the Catalyst until the end of ME3.
Modifié par KingZayd, 22 avril 2012 - 04:15 .
DJBare wrote...
Then he does not control the reapers, okay.CavScout wrote...
You never interact with the Catalyst until the end of ME3.
CavScout wrote...
DJBare wrote...
Then he does not control the reapers, okay.CavScout wrote...
You never interact with the Catalyst until the end of ME3.
Unless you want to suggest that Sovereign and Harbinger are just code names for the Catalyst....
KingZayd wrote...
CavScout wrote...
DJBare wrote...
No reason to suspect something that's been trying to kill my Shepard throughout the series?, okay, as you wish.CavScout wrote...
You have no reason to suspect lies. You just don't like. Because of that you say it is lying.
You never interact with the Catalyst until the end of ME3.
yet he controls the reapers, and they certainly do "interact" with you. and they control the husks which "interact" with you even more.
Point, missed.CavScout wrote...
Unless you want to suggest that Sovereign and Harbinger are just code names for the Catalyst....
KingZayd wrote...
CavScout wrote...
DJBare wrote...
Then he does not control the reapers, okay.CavScout wrote...
You never interact with the Catalyst until the end of ME3.
Unless you want to suggest that Sovereign and Harbinger are just code names for the Catalyst....
ah, so then the Starchild definitely is a liar then. he says he controls the reapers.
DJBare wrote...
Point, missed.CavScout wrote...
Unless you want to suggest that Sovereign and Harbinger are just code names for the Catalyst....
He has every reason to lie, Shepard is about to screw up his billion year plan.CavScout wrote...
A general may control an army but it doesn't not mean he is interacting with every enemy his soldiers encounter.
In the end, it doesn't even matter... it still wouldn't be evidence for lying.
DJBare wrote...
*snip*
A greater threat to the catalyst, he does not want you going near the destroy option, so he tells you things like it will kill all synthetic life, if you want to keep EDI and/or the geth alive then this is not an appealing option, synthesis is the extreme and the ultimate goal of the reapers "accession"
KingZayd wrote...
Tazzmission wrote...
Shwiggliness wrote...
So... I finished ME3 again.
And came to that DREADED ending sequence. Shepard went into the elevator (with no gun :v) and I met Casper again.
While talking to Casper, Shepard says that the defining characteristic of Organic life is free will and the ability to make choices. He thinks forcing a life onto Organics would be bad, then.
DURRR OKAY LETS IGNORE WHAT I SAID AND TURN ALL ORGANICS INTO CYBORGS
What? How is this the best option?
-Citadel gets destroyed
-Shepard is turned into spacegoo
-Shepard gives the reapers exactly what they want
-Shepard turns on his own logic
-SHEPARD FORCES ALL ORGANIC LIFE INTO ONE PATH
Really? It's obvious BW intended this to be the "Best" golden ending, as it requires a ****ton of Assets to get, and it's the middle option, and the one the Catalyst advertises best. It's also the only ending where Earth can't get destroyed.
But... look at Control, for a minute, why don't we?
-Shepard dies
+Citadel Surivives
+Reapers go home
+Nothing is forced on anyone, except the Reapers... and well, they're dicks.
So, WHY is Synthesis considered a good ending?
actually if you think back to what the catalyst states he says do you think you can controll us?
just because shepard may believe he or she can could only last for a bit and the catalyst never stated it officially stops the reapers forever
now synthesis is the best ending imo mainly because your creating a new dna structure between 2 things that already live side by side and what better way to stop a possible chaos ( geth becoming self aware and smart) is by merging them with humans into one enity?
thats really the only way to stop the reapers forever
destroying the reapers is bad mainly because the cycle can indeed start again when future children create synthetics
for synthesis, shepard asks "And there will be peace?" The Starchild pauses for a while and then says "The cycle will be broken"
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