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[Rane7685]

 This post is mainly addressed to female gamers but guys can chime in too obviously. Im curious female gamers  are usually done a serious injustice with respect to the female characters in games. They tend to be hyper sexualised (both in appearance and personality) and I can understand why that would be somewhat alienating.

As humans we all enjoy seeing pretty things and this does go both ways (most male protagonists are attractiive too just look at Sheploo) but the attitude towards women seems especially bad with exceptionally suggestive shots/clothing and personalities to match.

Occasionally (and I mean very occasionally) this does actually fit the character but I can only name three instances where I have actually believed the hypersexualisation added to the narrative (catwoman in Batman AC, DA2 Isabella and Bayonetta (in parts where its clearly satire and not overly gratuitous)).

The thing is in ME2 I always wanted EDI to get a body and was excited when she got one. When I saw her body I really really liked it too (except for the high heels (seriously how can you do combat in those)). Now I understand that her body conforms to the hypersexualisation I have jut discussed but I also recognise people like pretty things (movie stars) and it does go both ways. What was a relief was that her personality didnt change to reflect the stale and frankly misogynistic take on women that seems endemic in gaming

I think what Im trying to ask is did you like EDI getting a body? If yes did you find  the body hypersexualised (it is but I mean in a way that is alienating) and finally am I right in saying that the problem is with hypersexualised personalities as opposed to their appearance/suggestive camera angles (zooming in on breasts etc which they fortunately didnt do  with EDI (although they still did this with Miranda))

Also for this argument can we pretend that cameltoe thing never happened. Id like you to answer this as if that wasnt included if at all possible

EDIT: The high heels thing seems to be a miscommunication on my part I didnt mean EDI herself, its just I see a lot of women in combat roles in games wearing high heels and I find it a bit bizarre. Also when you answer if you dont mind disclosing it could you iidentify your gender just so I get a bit of perspective thanks

Modifié par Rane7685, 22 avril 2012 - 05:19 .

[Dendio1]

Check out shepards man pecs during his bed scene. Hyper sexualized

Edi's body is indeed over sexualized. We play the game to escape. We like all of the characters being pleasurable to look at. EDI's personality is not sexual at all.

On a side note, the butt shots of miranda are obvious. While playing swtor I realised the game camera doesn't discriminate between gender. You get butt shots of your male character that are usually reserved for female protagonists. It was an interesting  development to suddenly not want to look at the butt taking up the majority of the screen

Modifié par Dendio1, 22 avril 2012 - 05:04 .

[Gill Kaiser]

I liked EDI getting a body, but I didn't like it with clothes on. It didn't look right, and the cameltoe was ridiculous. Without clothes she looked fine.

While her feet were clearly designed to evoke the idea of heels, I took their construction to be some kind of tensile mechanism for agile running.

Modifié par Gill Kaiser, 22 avril 2012 - 05:00 .

[RvB SPARTAN038]

Now remember, the views and images expressed in ME, or any product for that matter, doesn't represent the views of the rest of the <male/female> gender. I get tired of the shots of Miranda, (you know what I'm talking about). But ya, I agree to somewhat of a degree.

EDIT: The cameltoe thing was really bad on Biowares part, but as for the high heel, maybe they were added so that EVA/EDI can stab people when curb stomping them. That way they don't she doesn't have to waste bullets or time when finishing off enemies. Tactics.

Modifié par RvB SPARTAN038, 22 avril 2012 - 05:05 .

[David7204]

I am completely and utterly at peace with my fiction being filled with attractive women. Including the synthetic ones. And if I was in charge of building an AI, I would have done exactly the same thing.

Modifié par David7204, 22 avril 2012 - 05:10 .

[kalasaurus]

I'm a female gamer and I wasn't bothered by her new body. I get the argument you're making, but it's just something I overlook. Female characters in video games are always going to be sexy; I mean Mass Effect has an entire race of bisexual blue women.

Besides, Shepard doesn't get the opportunity to bang her like he can with all the other female squadmates

[grey_wind]

I'm a guy, just so you know.
I liked EDI as my ship. Her getting a body felt forced for the sake of giving you a third squadmate. And using her as the returning ME2 character that became a squadmate just felt like they couldn't be arsed to write in an actual ME2 squaddie but were throwing the people who loved the ME2 cast a bone for the hell of it. The proportions of her body were also a bit ridiculous (that it's a robot body doesn't cut it).
Hypersexuality works if it fits with the character IMO. The problem is, it rarely does in most video games. Samara is a shining example of when it doesn't, while Jack is a great example of when it does.
Personally, and this is my opinion, I feel the relationship between EDI and Joker would have been cuter if it was EDI (as the ship without the stupid robot body) who was the one who fell for Joker. Would have made the AI having 'human' emotions a lot more interesting when you remove her having a relatable human body from the equation.

Modifié par grey_wind, 22 avril 2012 - 05:13 .

[OldSwede]

 I enjoyed EDI being the machine in ME2. I disliked Dr. Eva so much (which really made me feel bad, since my sister is a physician and her name is Eva and I love her very much -  but anyway, I did) up to the point, I was on my way to check out the AI core, when I realized "Oh yikes, that body is in there"    so I actually turned around, LOL (that was before the whole EDI-thing)


If it wasn't for the Dr. Eva-thing, I think I would have appreciated EDI a lot more.


I did not mind EDI being in a body, and that it made Joker happy (I felt happy for him) although, I have to agree with the high heels - I laughed out loud (sarcastically) when I saw that first part.


Like I said, I was happy for Joker. 


(Oh and I'm a woman btw)

[Rane7685]

GlassElephant wrote...

I'm a female gamer and I wasn't bothered by her new body. I get the argument you're making, but it's just something I overlook. Female characters in video games are always going to be sexy; I mean Mass Effect has an entire race of bisexual blue women.

Besides, Shepard doesn't get the opportunity to bang her like he can with all the other female squadmates

As a guy I rarely mind lol but I can sympathise with female gamers who feel alienated by female characterisations. IMO this doesnt apply at all to EDI because her personality isnt sexualised. I wanted to see if this was a common opinion and not one held by me (a minority)

[Rane7685]

Dendio1 wrote...

Check out shepards man pecs during his bed scene. Hyper sexualized

Edi's body is indeed over sexualized. We play the game to escape. We like all of the characters being pleasurable to look at. EDI's personality is not sexual at all.

On a side note, the butt shots of miranda are obvious. While playing swtor I realised the game camera doesn't discriminate between gender. You get butt shots of your male character that are usually reserved for female protagonists. It was an interesting  development to suddenly not want to look at the butt taking up the majority of the screen

Yes I have no problems with characters of both sexes looking very attractive but usually (and not oftten in Bioware games) the female personalities are unusual to put it mildly, and the camera shots they use are extrodinarily salacious (look up soul calibers cover art its basically just breasts on a box)

[Kath]

Ignoring the cameltoe, EDI's body didn't bother me too much. Sure, I eye-rolled at her emphasized assets because she was obviously a bit hypersexualized, but I also realized that she took over an android body that was probably ideally built. Yes, I would have preferred her body to be a bit more combat ready (maybe have some semblance of armor?) but it's not a deal-breaker for me. I was also very relieved that her personality did not change.

I did miss blue-orb EDI though. I liked how she could pop up anywhere on the ship, and it really gave the impression that she WAS the ship. I think having the body took away from this feeling. I almost wish there was a choice to encourage or discourage EDI from using the body. ME3 needed more orb-EDI!

[Rane7685]

grey_wind wrote...

Personally, and this is my opinion, I feel the relationship between EDI and Joker would have been cuter if it was EDI (as the ship without the stupid robot body) who was the one who fell for Joker. Would have made the AI having 'human' emotions a lot more interesting when you remove her having a relatable human body from the equation.

The impression I got was that it was kind of mutual EDI sensed Joker was into her but I think that pleased her (in as much as it can positive feedback or whatever)

[Rane7685]

Katherine wrote...

Ignoring the cameltoe, EDI's body didn't bother me too much. Sure, I eye-rolled at her emphasized assets because she was obviously a bit hypersexualized, but I also realized that she took over an android body that was probably ideally built. Yes, I would have preferred her body to be a bit more combat ready (maybe have some semblance of armor?) but it's not a deal-breaker for me. I was also very relieved that her personality did not change.

I did miss blue-orb EDI though. I liked how she could pop up anywhere on the ship, and it really gave the impression that she WAS the ship. I think having the body took away from this feeling. I almost wish there was a choice to encourage or discourage EDI from using the body. ME3 needed more orb-EDI!

I loved her body but its amazing what you miss when its gone. I barely ever said "whats this area  of the ship" but now that I cant I really miss it is that weird?

[Kaelef]

I thought the EDI-getting-a-body thing was a pretty cool idea, but I did find her body over-the-top-sexualized at first. I got used to it after a bit, but I can understand some people finding it annoying. That said, as others have noted, all the bodies in the game are obviously sexual/perfected (including the men).

Modifié par Kaelef, 22 avril 2012 - 05:21 .

[Kath]

Rane7685 wrote...

I loved her body but its amazing what you miss when its gone. I barely ever said "whats this area  of the ship" but now that I cant I really miss it is that weird?

Yeah, I know what you mean!

There were a lot of good things about EDI's body. It definately added to her personal story, and bringing her along for missions was fun, but I really did miss interacting with her around the ship. 

[v TricKy v]

In regards to the sexualisation I think that is actually a problem with the industry. EA/Bioware is broadening their target audience. There is no other reason for it. Look at past Bioware games like DA:O or Jade Empire or KOTOR. In these games female characters didnt have to have the cupsize of Pamela Anderson, they were normal human beings in that time but nowadays the visuals are lot more important and women are getting pushed in corner as eye-candy for males.
Personally I think EDI shouldnt have gotten a body. The Normandy is her body but to be fair if my memory is right only the alternative costumes have this problem. I dont find the default robotic body extreme in that regard.

Im a guy just for imformation

[robertm2]

she looks good but hey why not? i know i sure as hell dont look like shepard so men are depicted as beefy muscle men. lets not go into that road because i know women dont want there romance options in video games to be scrawny or fat pimple facers and i dont want my romance options to be ugly. the only thing i would like to see and i hope this isnt violating any forum rules but a variation of breast sizes. not every woman in the galaxy needs perfect ******.

[Rane7685]

v TricKy v wrote...

In regards to the sexualisation I think that is actually a problem with the industry. EA/Bioware is broadening their target audience. There is no other reason for it. Look at past Bioware games like DA:O or Jade Empire or KOTOR. In these games female characters didnt have to have the cupsize of Pamela Anderson, they were normal human beings in that time but nowadays the visuals are lot more important and women are getting pushed in corner as eye-candy for males.
Personally I think EDI shouldnt have gotten a body. The Normandy is her body but to be fair if my memory is right only the alternative costumes have this problem. I dont find the default robotic body extreme in that regard.

Im a guy just for imformation

I always thought Bastilla was attractive. The graphics are obviously not tht sophisticated but I think she is still meant to be attractive

[Rane7685]

robertm2 wrote...

she looks good but hey why not? i know i sure as hell dont look like shepard so men are depicted as beefy muscle men. lets not go into that road because i know women dont want there romance options in video games to be scrawny or fat pimple facers and i dont want my romance options to be ugly. the only thing i would like to see and i hope this isnt violating any forum rules but a variation of breast sizes. not every woman in the galaxy needs perfect ******.

What about Jack in ME2?

[MrFob]

I didn't like her getting a body in the first place. I really liked the concept that the Normandy was her body with all the advantages and disadvantages that included(kind of reminiscent of Pilot and Moya in Farscape, but with a different character to it).
I know that in principle this is still the case but looking at the narrative, at how it is presented, it is clear that the writers pushed the idea that EDI is now that sexy robot figure that hooks up with Joker. As if we hadn't seen enough of that already.
Her remaining the ship would have made for much more interesting plot and character opportu8nities IMO, especially given her relationship with Joker. With the body, it just feels cheesy and weird, if she had stayed disembodied, that whole subplot could have been really unique and full of interesting dialogue. Also, the ending with the ship being heavily damaged and crashed would have had a whole new dimension.

All in all, over-sexualized or not, I think the writers took the very easy way out when they gave EDI the body and thereby wasted a huge amout of potential in the plot and the character.

Modifié par MrFob, 22 avril 2012 - 05:35 .

[ashwind]

EDI's body was built to be an infiltration unit... it would seem seduction is the best and easiest way to infiltrate. So I can see the reason why EDI's body is the way it is. I think..

[futeki]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

I liked EDI getting a body, but I didn't like it with clothes on. It didn't look right, and the cameltoe was ridiculous. Without clothes she looked fine.

While her feet were clearly designed to evoke the idea of heels, I took their construction to be some kind of tensile mechanism for agile running.

All I could think of with the heels was Chell's boots in Portal.

[someone else]

the "assets" I find obvious fanservice and tend to be immersion breaking - most highly trained women have a minimum of body fat, which tends to minimize whatever genetic endowment they have - I'd much prefer a more naturalistic treatment - as for EDI, I keep wondering - are they storage units, or what?

[Ketten]

I would have liked EDI to have had slightly less cup size but overall I didn't mind it so much as I considered TIM to be a pervert for making her body look the way she did. But if EDI had remained as a ship I would have been more satisfied, despite the fact that she wouldn't be able to go on missions with us, per se, and she wouldn't be out running about on the Citadel.

I just feel like she could have been far more classy than she currently is. I always imagined a cool Phantasy Star Online android type of badass that could still look sexy but was classy, as well.

[bmwcrazy]

It doesn't bother me.