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[pharsti]

If someone cares about over sexualized characters, especially female characters in games then theyll be used to it by now, seriously, its nothing new.

[Wrathra]

I was more irritated by Ashley's catsuit and femshep's ridiculously thin arms and huge ass than I was by EDI's body, to be honest.

[Cyne]

Esoretal wrote...

sasasasue wrote...
Though I didn't play with Ashley in ME3, I didn't like her redesign. In ME1 she looked like a normal person, (as did Kaidan). No fancy make up, nothing crazy, just an natural looking girl. However, when we got to ME3, this completely changed.

(Just taken from google.)

What the hell did they do to her eyes/eyebrows? I'm hoping she's just in the middle of an angryface espression in the second photo. I don't have Ashley in my playthrough.

Wow, she looks terrible in ME3. Why did they have to change her? Her ME1 look was natural & lovely.

[Senario]

Hmmm I am of the opinion that Edi should have stayed as that blue orb thing she was in ME2, I personally wouldn't have minded it seeing as in her current body you can even order her to fix a tower when she could have done that from aboard the normandy...and with less poking around with buttons and more computer processing.

I would have really preferred that as a robot body, she be replaced with say...A krogan squadmate or something.

I don't particularly mind her body's look but maybe my opinion is invalid on that part because I am a guy.

[elegolas1]

i think it is important when talking about edi to mention the difference between nudity and nakedness. as defined by john berger in "ways of seeing"

“ To be naked is to be oneself. To be nude is to be seen by others and yet not recognized for oneself. A naked body has to be seen as an object in order to be nude… Naked reveals itself. Nudity is placed on display…The nude is condemned to never be naked. Nudity is a form of dress”.

edi is not aware she is without clothes, she is naked for the sake of the audience, so she is nude. that is what i feel uncomfortable about as opposed to the size of her breasts. that being said nudity is so common that one becomes desensitised to it over time, and i don't take huge issue with it, other than feeling uncomfortable

the most disapointing sexualisation of a character is ashley's makeover as it is contradictory to her tough tomboy personality in the caked on makeup and loose hair as well as her soldier class. soldier traditionally wear heavy armor. compare what vega wears to battle to what ashley wears. kaidan, a sentinal, wears heavier armour than ashley in her default armor. i feel less alienated by her transformation than confused and frustrated, reminiscent to how i feel about the logic flaws and plot inconsistency of the starchild ending

the high heels ****** me off on any charcter in battle! ridiculous! also i am confused how some characters go out into space with bare skin. like on the reaper iff mission in me2 where they have to jump over to the normandy. space is cold, it can be up to 0K, absolute zero. and yet jack and miranda have bare skin.

i am female but am attacted to both men and women. i find myself less attracted to the aesthetically idealised characters ie miranda, jacob and maybe even vega, and more to those who are less blatently physically sexualised such as liara before her boob job

[Tarothe]

But all thing considered, and leaving the physical appearance behind, I find mass effect to be doing a fantastic job in portraying men and women rather equally. I'm currently replaying Mass Effect as a Female Shepard, and apart from her blatant boob job in ME2, she sounds, and therefore it seems as if she also acts tougher than her male counterpart.

Jack is a badass with a past, Tali is strong, yet conflicted and probably the most "human" from all the crew members, Samara is brilliant with her unquestionable dedication to the justicar code and in a personal quests of fixing her life's mistakes (in form of her daughters), Ashley is a xenophobe who, if allowed, gets to change her views, even the unquestionable geekyness of Samantha Taynor are all pointing towards equality of opportunity and prospects, and also that character features are not subject to gender, n my opinion of course. The only character I couldn't bring myself to like is Miranda and her obvious Femme Fatale persona.
Same goes to males, Kaidan's feelings of being betrayed, his overall emotionalism, Garrus tough guy's personality, Grunt Alpha Maleness, Mordin's humanity, Cortez homosexuality - they are all presented in such a way where they all exist together and no one tries to tell them they are wrong. Thane, a dying father, former assassin trying to right his wrongs is similar in his position story-wise to Samara. James has his strong points too, despite the fact that I dislike him.
Jacob is to men what Miranda is to women - whereas she's the typical Femme Fatale, he is the typical soldier. Only two "in your face" stereotypes that don't even get altered in any way.
The only thing missing from that picture to me is a positively portrayed effeminate male character, but apparently no one likes those and they are all evil, so obviously the equality has its limitations, but nonetheless, I think that for our times Mass Effect does equality nicely.

Modifié par Tarothe, 23 avril 2012 - 05:52 .

[Chuvvy]

For a company that is terrified of nudity they really do like to parade their female characters around in tight clothes. All of them except for Liara, are in skin tight cat suits.

[Ice Cold J]

Reorte wrote...

Jack's way of dressing (or not) fitted her character IMO.

I think Jack's clothing fit her well enough. She was a drifter, loner, survivor. Just enough to survive from day to day. Not VERY tasteful, but it made sense.

[Victia]

As a female gamer I did hate EDI getting a body but it was nothing to do with the fact that she was a robot stripper! I personally felt that EDI was a much more interesting character when she was a blue orb/ just the normandy.

Giving her the body felt like I was loosing something (including a sane pilot- really joker you just went to a whole new level of creepy) as she was going to be part of the crew anyway, so i would rather have had a different squaddie in her place, one that could have brought somthing to the story!

She felt shallow to me which was not something I would have said about her in ME3 and bioware didnt help themselves by having her and Kaidan etc comment on her hot stipper body, also I got the feeling that she was just there to try to make new players feel for synthetic so for people who have played all the way through she was redundant. Just my opinion

[Dendio1]

Agugaboo wrote...

I wonder, has some one gibbed it so Shepard walks around naked all the time? Cause that would be lolz.

http://t3.gstatic.co...j8Nxb8RWPMwOsRg

Lolz indeed:D

[Dendio1]

Cyne wrote...

Esoretal wrote...

sasasasue wrote...
Though I didn't play with Ashley in ME3, I didn't like her redesign. In ME1 she looked like a normal person, (as did Kaidan). No fancy make up, nothing crazy, just an natural looking girl. However, when we got to ME3, this completely changed.

(Just taken from google.)

What the hell did they do to her eyes/eyebrows? I'm hoping she's just in the middle of an angryface espression in the second photo. I don't have Ashley in my playthrough.

Wow, she looks terrible in ME3. Why did they have to change her? Her ME1 look was natural & lovely.

o come on She looks way better in 3. Higher ranking let her put her hair down perhaps?

Also that shot is not her default face haha.

[Myrmedus]

I'm a man and I have to admit I'm getting rather bored/sick of it as well. I think it's just that there's such a swath of it in every medium these days, and it's often not even relevant, that it's practically making me snowblind at times.

[veramis]

All of the characters look uglier in Me3 than Me2. They probably fired the people who made the graphics look so good in ME2 and hired highschool kids.

[goatman42]

EDI's body never really bothered me. I always thought it was an homage to Metropolis.

[The Angry One]

I'm not overly fond of EDI's body's design but I don't mind it either.
Personally I don't think she should've gotten a body at all but eh.

I did roll my eyes at Legion's "top heavy" reference. Yeah Legion's one to talk with his lamp-post head.

[Ice Cold J]

The Angry One wrote...

I'm not overly fond of EDI's body's design but I don't mind it either.
Personally I don't think she should've gotten a body at all but eh.

I did roll my eyes at Legion's "top heavy" reference. Yeah Legion's one to talk with his lamp-post head.

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[BloodPainter]

Female gamer here. Hiya!

I didn't mind EDI's body. I didn't mind any of the catsuits at all. I don't care about the top-heaviness, don't care about the camel-toe. That stuff doesn't bother me. I'm not sick of it, I'm not offended or put off, didn't roll my eyes, didn't feel my gender was being objectified, etc.

I know that others will have their own opinion on it, and that's cool too.

[Trakarg]

Only thing I found weird was the cameltoe, but can can be avoided simply by not putting the outfits on EDI.

[ShatterSh0t]

syllogi wrote...

Why should I pretend the ****** never happened if you're asking my opinion of EDI's appearance? The ******, and the creepiness of a computer program's sexualization, is what we're discussing here. It's like saying we can't mention the ending while reviewing ME3.

I am pretty much done with everything related to Mass Effect, and part of it is EDI, and the gross misogynistic mindset that led to the creation of EDI's ME3 body. If it didn't bother you, fine, but I have no interest in playing games that are made by people who have no interest in appealing to me. By creating a body like that for EDI, and making all the male characters in the game drool over it, the Mass Effect devs are basically saying that they don't give a damn about the comfort level of heterosexual female gamers. I don't even fall into the category that Bioware so patently is disregarding, but I still empathize fully with women who aren't interested in masturbating to pixelated female forms while they're playing a video game. Oh well. There are other games out there, that don't value metal vaginas more than their female audience. I'll go buy those from now on.

well said

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Victia wrote...

Giving her the body felt like I was loosing something (including a sane pilot- really joker you just went to a whole new level of creepy) as she was going to be part of the crew anyway, so i would rather have had a different squaddie in her place, one that could have brought somthing to the story!

She felt shallow to me which was not something I would have said about her in ME3 and bioware didnt help themselves by having her and Kaidan etc comment on her hot stipper body, also I got the feeling that she was just there to try to make new players feel for synthetic so for people who have played all the way through she was redundant. Just my opinion

Yeah, that Joker/EDI thing was creepy. Then hearing about Joker's pr0n collection on top of it. I first discouraged EDI on the Citadel, then I discouraged Joker.

I think they were trying to make people more sympathetic to synthetics and guide them toward the Synthesis ending so that Joker and EDI could have their 12 iChildren.

I would rather have had another squadmate like maybe recruited someone completely different, like a Batarian tech expert from the refugee pool on the Citadel.

[paxbanana3915]

If I nitpick, then I can draw out these issues:

1. I didn't like EDI getting a body; her entire story with Joker was cheesy and silly. The fact that her body was so completely, as you say, hypersexualized annoyed me. The concept art was much better.

2. The hypersexualization of Ashley (high heels, make up, skirt, and hair down in combat, really?--not to mention the weird anatomically impossible side-boob scene in the hospital)

3. Liara's shocking boob job between each of the games

4. Miranda in ME2--with all her butt shots in ME3.

5. Clear mask covering the nose and mouth IN VACUUM or HAZARDOUS ENVIRONMENTS. These masks only appear on the non-Shepard female characters. Can't Miranda be in a helmeted suit, or is her hair too sexy for a helmet? Her sexy hair must protect her eyes from said vacuum and hazardous chemical environments.

6. Shepard's ballerina body with twiggy arms. No offense to any women who have that figure, but there's no way a woman completed alliance training and lifts any sort of weapon consistently with those arms. Insult to injury was that body mapped to male Shepard's movements. I shudder to think of her run.

As a whole, I'm a little urked by each of these things, but they weren't enough to detract from my enjoyment of the first 2 games. If I had enjoyed ME3, they might not have been as irritating in that game as well. I never felt degraded in any way as I played the games; Bioware just got a few eye-rolls from me.

[Calibrations Expert]

I like how the Mass Effect series gives in universe reasons for hyper sexualization though. Miranda and EVA were literally engineered to be sexy.

Cyne wrote...

Esoretal wrote...

sasasasue wrote...
Though I didn't play with Ashley in ME3, I didn't like her redesign. In ME1 she looked like a normal person, (as did Kaidan). No fancy make up, nothing crazy, just an natural looking girl. However, when we got to ME3, this completely changed.

(Just taken from google.)

What the hell did they do to her eyes/eyebrows? I'm hoping she's just in the middle of an angryface espression in the second photo. I don't have Ashley in my playthrough.

Wow, she looks terrible in ME3. Why did they have to change her? Her ME1 look was natural & lovely.

She grew hair and got her eyebrows done. Stop crying over it.

[Sousabird]

I'm a guy and I agree with Ashley (before I shot her) "at least I don't wear a swimsuit into battle"
I honestly romanced Tali because I liked her character the most and I didn't know what she looked like aside from her enviro suit

[Zombie Chow]

EDI's body is great.  It had Overload and Incinerate capabilities, making it a really versatile squad member to deal with Shields and Armour, or even set up Tech Explosions with Shepard's only powers.  Furthermore, its Defensive Matrix makes it one of the most durable characters.

With its body, it's basically a Tank with Abilities.  The Tanks in the previous games, like Ashley, Wrex, and Grunt, were all weapons-based.  In ME3, with the emphasis on powers over conventional weaponry, EDI's body allowed it to join us in missions and it's an asset to the team, every time.

I think EDI's versatility on the battlefield benefits all gamers, male or female.