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[v TricKy v]

Rane7685 wrote...

v TricKy v wrote...

In regards to the sexualisation I think that is actually a problem with the industry. EA/Bioware is broadening their target audience. There is no other reason for it. Look at past Bioware games like DA:O or Jade Empire or KOTOR. In these games female characters didnt have to have the cupsize of Pamela Anderson, they were normal human beings in that time but nowadays the visuals are lot more important and women are getting pushed in corner as eye-candy for males.
Personally I think EDI shouldnt have gotten a body. The Normandy is her body but to be fair if my memory is right only the alternative costumes have this problem. I dont find the default robotic body extreme in that regard.

Im a guy just for imformation

I always thought Bastilla was attractive. The graphics are obviously not tht sophisticated but I think she is still meant to be attractive

Yeah thats what I mean. There were good looking women in past games but it was discret. Nowadays there is a in-your-face-approach for these kinda things. Look at Miranda in ME2 and ME3 and its becomes pretty obvious.

[Sundance31us]

I'm a female gamer and I didn't have a problem with EDI getting a body, nor did I have a problem with how it looked. Considering the body was a product of Cerberus/TIM I would have been disappointed if didn't look like it stepped out of a Bond film.

I don't have a problem with the "hyper sexualised" male bodies either...in fact I rather enjoy the eye candy.

[jules_vern18]

I was posting about this earlier and was also wondering how Liara got upgraded from a B cup in ME1 to a D cup in ME3. Only 2.5 years pass between the two, and she was no teenager (108-109) during that time frame.

Some kind of weird Asari puberty event that was never in the codex? I could get behind that, except Ashley seems to have the same problem. In any case, I'm sure they got the 13 year old "new player" COD crowd on board, which seems to be Bioware's new target demographic.

Any other games out there (aside from ME1) that have more realistically-proportioned female love interests? I'm sure I've seen a few in JRPGs, but how about western media? I guess Alex from HL2 comes to mind, though I wouldn't call that a romantic story arc.

[Wintermaulz]

Dendio1 wrote...

Check out shepards man pecs during his bed scene. Hyper sexualized

Edi's body is indeed over sexualized. We play the game to escape. We like all of the characters being pleasurable to look at. EDI's personality is not sexual at all.

On a side note, the butt shots of miranda are obvious. While playing swtor I realised the game camera doesn't discriminate between gender. You get butt shots of your male character that are usually reserved for female protagonists. It was an interesting  development to suddenly not want to look at the butt taking up the majority of the screen

You gotta keep in mind of the original intention of EDI's "body". It was designed by Cerberous for infiltration and subversion/wetwork operations. Ment to be over sexualized to help with infiltration.

[MintyCool]

This topic....

...how laughable.

Modifié par MintyCool, 22 avril 2012 - 05:49 .

[jules_vern18]

v TricKy v wrote...

Rane7685 wrote...

v TricKy v wrote...

In regards to the sexualisation I think that is actually a problem with the industry. EA/Bioware is broadening their target audience. There is no other reason for it. Look at past Bioware games like DA:O or Jade Empire or KOTOR. In these games female characters didnt have to have the cupsize of Pamela Anderson, they were normal human beings in that time but nowadays the visuals are lot more important and women are getting pushed in corner as eye-candy for males.
Personally I think EDI shouldnt have gotten a body. The Normandy is her body but to be fair if my memory is right only the alternative costumes have this problem. I dont find the default robotic body extreme in that regard.

Im a guy just for imformation

I always thought Bastilla was attractive. The graphics are obviously not tht sophisticated but I think she is still meant to be attractive

Yeah thats what I mean. There were good looking women in past games but it was discret. Nowadays there is a in-your-face-approach for these kinda things. Look at Miranda in ME2 and ME3 and its becomes pretty obvious.

at least miranda made sense - she was genetically engineered to be "perfect."  Her appearance made sense within the storyline...but ash jumping into battle in her new dolce & gabanna digs and wearing a child-sized t-shirt in the hospital?  I'm a red-blooded hetero male and I found it somewhat immersion-breaking.

[Kia Purity]

No issues with EDI's body except for cameltoe = WTH??

...and I was hoping she'd look more like Six. (What.)

[rachellouise]

I don't mind them. I'm more frustrated at the fact as straight femshep, there aren't many proper romance options.

Kaidan is nice, but even he decides to "turn" bi to give the men another option

Modifié par rachellouise, 22 avril 2012 - 05:53 .

[luk3us]

Bigger boobs = More sales.

The end.

[wolfstanus]

I take offense to people taking offense

[gr7dking]

Here's my take on EDI, with a body:

I found it strange that Shepard is directly responsible for creating her conception of the world and forming her values. In doing that, it was almost like BioWare took a little of EDI's agency away (a lot of it) and gave it to Shepard. It would have been much more interesting to see a subplot where EDI discovers her humanity for herself, based on empirical evidence (after all, she's a synthetic and former VI) rather than slapbang, here it is for you, I accept! Colonize me with your wisdom! I will enjoy the sexytime if you say I should!

Also, EDI's lack of self-awareness of her own body while Joker enjoyed it was also uncomfortable for its voyeurism. The joke was, dude is having a nosebleed because this sexy robot is sitting next to him, it's hilarious that she's ignorant of her boobs hanging out! You'd think someone would have taken the time to explain clothes to EDI, if they were going to talk about philosophies? I don't know...Basically, EDI is like that virgin robot (flesh or blood) you see so often in Japanese manga, only with more kill power. Without a body, we came to respect EDI as a fully fledged, highly competent part of the Normandy's crew. With a body, she's something to be molded by us, to be introduced to new experiences while we enjoy her reaction to our influence, our power over her.

Last but not least, there's some throwaway line where Joker mentions feminism (which I will define here as a movement promoting equal rights for all sexes) as a reason he can't get with EDI (does anyone have the full quote? tried to Google it), and then EDI says, "I then proceeded to call him on his bull****, and we began to converse normally." It's not that EDI is denouncing feminism--she's not; the scene is about calling Joker out for not just telling her he likes her (which is good to see! Works against the virgin robot reading set up earlier). However, it is unfortunate that Joker apparently misunderstands what feminism is, and only sees it as this thing between him and getting laid with EDI, or having a relationship with a woman, or enjoying sexual desire. Which it is decidedly not, so I call BioWare on their feminist bull****.

In short, things I would've liked to see:
- Shepard answers EDI's questions, but subplots and events allow EDI to come to her own conclusions. More of an EDI as Data than EDI as Chobits.
- Clothes if she wanted it.
- The Commander telling Joker to knock it off/show a little respect, or at least bother to explain himself.
- Leave the criticism of feminism behind.

Modifié par gr7dking, 22 avril 2012 - 06:01 .

[sammysoso]

The only "sexualization" in ME3 that bothered me was Ashley.

One of the reasons I really liked her in ME1 was that she was so grounded, one of the closest things to a real woman in a game. Then BioWare messed it all up to make her "sexy." Really disappointing.

[ImperatorMortis]

Man why the hell did they have to give EDI a body? I liked it when she was a floating blue ball, also I liked her ME2 voice actress better.

[rma2110]

I liked EDI. I could have done without the sixties bond girl hairstyle and the ******, but that is TIm all over. As a female gamer I would like to see more attractive guys and less meat heads like Vega. We need more female graphic artists to male more attractive men, even Sheploo makes me go meh. Too plastic with his single facial expression. Kaidan has him beat in the looks department.

[DraziusA]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Man why the hell did they have to give EDI a body? I liked it when she was a floating blue ball, also I liked her ME2 voice actress better.

It was the same actress.

http://en.wikipedia....i/Tricia_Helfer

*drool*

[ImperatorMortis]

DraziusA wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Man why the hell did they have to give EDI a body? I liked it when she was a floating blue ball, also I liked her ME2 voice actress better.

It was the same actress.

http://en.wikipedia....i/Tricia_Helfer

*drool*

Are you serious? She sounded.. Different. 

[syllogi]

Why should I pretend the ****** never happened if you're asking my opinion of EDI's appearance? The ******, and the creepiness of a computer program's sexualization, is what we're discussing here. It's like saying we can't mention the ending while reviewing ME3.

I am pretty much done with everything related to Mass Effect, and part of it is EDI, and the gross misogynistic mindset that led to the creation of EDI's ME3 body. If it didn't bother you, fine, but I have no interest in playing games that are made by people who have no interest in appealing to me. By creating a body like that for EDI, and making all the male characters in the game drool over it, the Mass Effect devs are basically saying that they don't give a damn about the comfort level of heterosexual female gamers. I don't even fall into the category that Bioware so patently is disregarding, but I still empathize fully with women who aren't interested in masturbating to pixelated female forms while they're playing a video game. Oh well. There are other games out there, that don't value metal vaginas more than their female audience. I'll go buy those from now on.

[Daennikus]

Hrmpfh... here goes my cynical rant about genderization (by that I mean, over-accentuating of sexuality)

There are some people who can't accept any form of entertainment where the women aren't sexy as hell. And they will not accept to incarnate a male figure who has apparently spent 6 months eating Cheetos and watching documentaries. Why did Anderson comment on that? We are not soft around the edges. What game is he playing?

Just a suggestion: every time you see a female character with a slender frame and big boobs/ass, take it as a "stupid-people-magnet", and enjoy the show. Smart guys like you (us?) can overlook the distractions when needed.

Modifié par Daennikus, 22 avril 2012 - 06:15 .

[Auralius Carolus]

Man chiming in: I really felt EDI's body suited her, but that certain... extensions... were too large. At least for my tastes.

I REALLY liked her face though- it screamed cute and mischievous, which is all EDI.

As far as being insulted? Not a chance. It takes a lot more than exaggerated curves to offend me.

[The Invisible Commando]

Wasn't she meant to look a bit like Tricia Helfer, her VA. You do know shes quite hot in real life...

[gr7dking]

syllogi, you say you're over anything ME...but at least they're trying Even if they do create lame portrayals of EDI, or they make the one obviously gay character be about almost nothing else except being gay, they do have a few brilliant moments, like giving FemShep the exact same respect and privilege BroShep gets. They also never (or almost never) make FemShep's character about her sexuality, which was SO LIBERATING! Thank god.

So, I will continue giving BioWare my money, but I'll also keep hammering them for representations like EDI.

[ImperatorMortis]

gr7dking wrote...

they make the one obviously gay character be about almost nothing else except being gay 

"I'm gay, therefore I am.." 

I have no idea why I was so tempted to say that. 

[Rane7685]

syllogi wrote...

Why should I pretend the ****** never happened if you're asking my opinion of EDI's appearance? The ******, and the creepiness of a computer program's sexualization, is what we're discussing here. It's like saying we can't mention the ending while reviewing ME3.

The reason I wanted to avoid this I because the answer is (i would argue) axiomatic. Its gross and I have a hard time believing that anyone thought it was a good idea I think it was an oversight that occurred in the design similar to a bug. The ****** leads to a termination of productive discussion and this thread will derail fast. I am really interested in how female gamers felt re EDI getting a body an what it looks like assuming the ****** didnt happen because that is so obviously offensive

[whalewhisker]

I thought the cameltoe was really gross. But I never noticed it on my own until it was brought up. You can only really see it in her white costume...but anyways that's irrelevant. Of course she is going to be overly sexualized! This is a video game we're talking about for Christ's sake!

[Rane7685]

rma2110 wrote...

I liked EDI. I could have done without the sixties bond girl hairstyle and the ******, but that is TIm all over. As a female gamer I would like to see more attractive guys and less meat heads like Vega. We need more female graphic artists to male more attractive men, even Sheploo makes me go meh. Too plastic with his single facial expression. Kaidan has him beat in the looks department.

Really Im straight and even I think Sheploo is good looking, ill give you Vega but there are few ugly male protagonists in gaming either (Nathan Drake, all the various assassins in AC, Adam Jensen etc etc). 

I think the reaason I focussed on EDI was because she was built (rather eva was). In a sense we could argue that oh look they were born hot (ash, mirianda etc) but EDIs was clearly by design. Yes Im aware they are all designed really but I think you can work out what im getting at.