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[GuardianAngel470]

futeki wrote...

Gill Kaiser wrote...

I liked EDI getting a body, but I didn't like it with clothes on. It didn't look right, and the cameltoe was ridiculous. Without clothes she looked fine.

While her feet were clearly designed to evoke the idea of heels, I took their construction to be some kind of tensile mechanism for agile running.

All I could think of with the heels was Chell's boots in Portal.

Me too futeki, me too.

[gr7dking]

Rane7685 wrote...

I agree Coralies story leads are a great idea but I also thought her naivete suited her. It waas comparable to Legion's in the sense that synthetics are used to dealing essentially in absolutes and reason. Irrational emotions are very alien to them especially one so erratic as love. I didnt really think my Shepard took advantage of her. In fact I told her I wasnt the best person to ask and she said she would bare that in mind but wanted my input for context/ to inform her decisions. That seems better than making decisions in a vacumn so I  was keen to acquiese to this request. I made a point of saying she needs to decide for herself though 

I agree with everything you've said; I'm not saying that you didn't play nobly, or that her naivete is out of character, because it's not; but the fact that the developers put us in that situation--a naked robot asking us about love and wondering banally why this dude keeps ogling her in the corner, without letting EDI organically explore those questions (pun not intended )-- makes it feel exceptionally weird, and shallow. Also, it is unrealistic/limiting that the main exploration and development of her character is centered on understanding love and developing a relationship with Joker, instead of/in addition to [insert millions of other possible, non man or sexuality centered scenarios].

But yeah, I suppose I am guilty of prudery here! Y'all are right on that score, oops.

Modifié par gr7dking, 22 avril 2012 - 07:20 .

[Dendio1]

Female lovers get an easter egg ****** and Male lovers get the following



Can't we all just get along?

On a hilarious note What if Miranda designed shepards body to be this the same way TIM *tinkered* with EVA

Modifié par Dendio1, 22 avril 2012 - 07:21 .

[LadyWench]

Dendio1 wrote...

On a hilarious note What if Miranda designed shepards body to be this the same way TIM *tinkered* with EVA

Uh, my femShep would be SO P***ED! LOL

[RainbowDazed]

I'm neither male or female (though I am perceived as a female because of my name and bodily forms) and for me personally hyper sexualization is not that big of a deal. If anything it makes me sad because most of the hyper-sexualized characters just do not look attractive to me personally. Also it most often feels like a wasted opportunity - like with EDI. I'm happy she got her own body, but in my eyes it would've been even more cool if the body was designed for maximum functionality and not for maximum sex-appeal. In that sense the high heels and long slim body type make no sense. And, I think it'd made Joker's and EDI's romance even more interesting if EDI had less sex appeal from human perspective. Then it would've been more like a true love story where love conquers all obstacles.

On the other hand, I loved that Miranda was kinda hyper-sexualized. She was designed to be that, and I loved the critical look on beauty-ideals her story had. The change in Ashley I disliked. I loved her "tom-boyishness" in ME1, and hoped to see more of that in ME3.

[Cyne]

"I think what Im trying to ask is did you like EDI getting a body? If yes did you find the body hypersexualised"

I loved EDI getting a body, she's a great character. Was it hypersexualized? Yes, but I don't care. Females are often over sexualized in video games, it kind of goes with the territory. That being said, I liked EDI mostly because of her role in ME2. If they'd introduced an entirely new character that looked like her, I'd be pissed. The motivation for doing so would then be too obvious, and contrived, to ignore.

[Daennikus]

LadyWench wrote...

AND, if the other NPCs were to just ignore her bizarrely huge and inefficient metal rack, it would also be odd, but they don't. It becomes a running joke that people notice how absurdly...er, let's say proportioned, the design is and I can appreciate self-deprecating meta humor.

Imagine an alternate ME3 where everyone is somehow able to edit the entire script of the game. All cutscenes would be generated directly from our imaginations...

I would have initiated a general briefing with "First, allow me to address the elephant in the War Room and say how distracting EDI's boobs are. In fact, I claim the name "EDI's Boobs" for every part of useless technological scrap I may encounter in my adventures. Maybe, that way, we can move on from this matter and focus on kicking the **** out of these Reaper ****s."

[Anezay]

RainbowDazed wrote...

I'm neither male or female

Wait, what?

[Kaelef]

RainbowDazed wrote...

The change in Ashley I disliked. I loved her "tom-boyishness" in ME1, and hoped to see more of that in ME3.

Same here. Her tomboyishness was one of the few things that made her stand out in ME1.

Daennikus wrote...

I would have initiated a general briefing with "First, allow me to address the elephant in the War Room and say how distracting EDI's boobs are. In fact, I claim the name "EDI's Boobs" for every part of useless technological scrap I may encounter in my adventures. Maybe, that way, we can move on from this matter and focus on kicking the **** out of these Reaper ****s."

Well done, well done!  *clap* *clap* *clap*

Modifié par Kaelef, 22 avril 2012 - 07:41 .

[Raiil]

I had no problem with her body. But in the entire series, the only outfit that truly gave me pause was Samara's. I mean, Jack's can be viewed as problematic, but then you figure a) she's out to shock you and she's a frigging powerful biotic whose barriers are probably insanely strong. Not that I didn't side eye combat stilettos, but they fit the character. EDI inherited a body from essentially an infiltration unit, and I would not be surprised (or rather, I supposed) that seduction might be a part of Robo-Core's programming, in which case her bionic breasts and cameltoe make sense.

I'm a female, and I get irked when I see useless armour on females (I hate chainkinis and my rage against the dalish leather armour on females is legendary in my household). But I also believe that context matters. The outfit that Miranda wore would be stupid on my Shepard, who is a bowling ball of biotic fury and ADHD, but it works for a women who believes in taking any advantage she's got. Conversely, there is no reason for EDI's acquired body to have a beer belly or be built like a flat-chested brick s--thouse in a universe that doesn't seem to have those figures.

[Icinix]

As a bloke, I hated EDIs body and Ashleys new body.

The whole reasoning in the art book for both is because they needed more sexy - that line itself "Even more sexy" was used on the launch trailer as well.

Quite frankly, it just screams young male demographic marketing.

Ashley was great in ME1 and EDI was just so over the top it was stupid.

But I also take big issue not just with the women needing to be lithe and sexier, but also the men suddenly all needed to have huge bulking armour to show the seriousness of war and that they had seen lots of combat etc etc. I hate double standards like that.

[Kaelef]

Valentia X wrote...

But in the entire series, the only outfit that truly gave me pause was Samara's.

Samara's outfit was pretty ridiculous.  The cleavage she was showing along with her hookeresque outfit hardly seemed appropriate for a "justicar".  And this is coming from a huge fan of cleavage...

[maia0407]

As a female gamer, yes, I am bothered by the over-sexualization of women in the ME universe. Before I get into the reasons, I just want to point out that I think the term misogyny is being used too loosely here as I don't see any evidence of hatred for women in the games. I see sexism which is bad enough but I don't think it reaches the level of misogyny.

I can't really discuss EDI without discussing the issues that I have with several of the other female characters including Miranda, Samara, Jack and Liara. I can't speak to Ashley as I haven't met her character. I'm a sex positive person and appreciate attractive people just as much as male gamers. The issue I have is when women's sexual attributes are emphasized to the point that the female characters are obviously being objectified. These women often have strong and interesting personalities. I don't dislike any of them. However, their sexualization in the game takes my mind off these women as people and I'm forced to take notice of their over enhanced attributes.

Often, I found it difficult to follow conversations as I was being forced to stare at Miranda's ass and wonder how in the hell she could find an outfit tight enough to hug her crack all the way up. Did she have it specially made to fit her butt that way? I wondered how thin the material had to be to show her belly-button and found her ****** distracting as well. I understand that Miranda was made to fit an ideal but was it really necessary to emphasize that ideal even further with that outfit? Would male gamers be disappointed to see her in something that didn't look like it was painted on? During combat, wouldn't it be more practical to ditch the catsuit and heels for armor and boots?

Samara's extremely low-cut catsuit complete with a wedgie and heels was almost as bad as Miranda's outfit. Once again, I found myself staring at her gigantic boobs, not her face, pondering her ridiculous outfit and over endowed bust and not paying attention to the conversation. Her outfit in particular just did not fit her persona. Liara and Jack's outfits suffered from similar problems.

These women are objectified. They are made to satisfy the male gaze; this objectification detracts from the characterization. How am I supposed to take a character seriously when they are dressed so ridiculously? I don't need their sexuality constantly thrown in my face to know that they are sexual people. Ridiculously large busts and asses coupled with silly outfits that most professionals (well, with the exception of certain pro's)  would not wear just screams 'Don't take me seriously. I'm just here to be oggled at!'

Take a step back for a moment guys, and imagine that the male characters were put in similar outfits with similar enhancements to their fun parts. Imagine Vega in a skin tight suit that revealed the outline of his oversized penis and balls. Or, imagine Thane in an outfit that revealed his butt cleavage. Can you tell me that you would take these men seriously? Would they be a distraction for you?

Take a look at this website that shows depictions of men dressed as female comic book characters.

http://goodcomics.co...her-side-lives/

Do you see my point? Those guys look like jokes and that is what BW has done to many of the women in the games. I'll state again, I have no problem with attractive people in the game. But, come on, let's throw out this idealized fantasy version of women as the norm and engage women as people.

Finally, this brings me to Edi. She is the final culmination of this problem. I got tired of looking at her overemphasized bust complete with no clothes. So, I put some clothes on her only to get heels and a ******. I dunno which is worse. Furthering the problem, as so many have mentioned, is the character arc that is explored in relation to sexual relationship with a man. Come on BW, you couldn't think of anything more original than sexy fembot? I'm left pondering how in the hell Edi and Joker can get it on without breaking Joker instead of thinking about the implications of a fully formed AI that is part of the ship but that also has a body. There is so much more territory that could have been explored with Edi but wasn't considered  as she was reduced to her sexuality.

BW did a wonderful job with femShep (although I think this was a by-product of her being the alter ego of male Shep and not by design). FemShep is not a sexualized stereotype. She's kick-ass, strong, intelligent, and sexy all at the same time. Give me more of that BW.

Modifié par maia0407, 22 avril 2012 - 07:56 .

[Rane7685]

gr7dking wrote...

Rane7685 wrote...

I agree Coralies story leads are a great idea but I also thought her naivete suited her. It waas comparable to Legion's in the sense that synthetics are used to dealing essentially in absolutes and reason. Irrational emotions are very alien to them especially one so erratic as love. I didnt really think my Shepard took advantage of her. In fact I told her I wasnt the best person to ask and she said she would bare that in mind but wanted my input for context/ to inform her decisions. That seems better than making decisions in a vacumn so I  was keen to acquiese to this request. I made a point of saying she needs to decide for herself though 

I agree with everything you've said; I'm not saying that you didn't play nobly, or that her naivete is out of character, because it's not; but the fact that the developers put us in that situation--a naked robot asking us about love and wondering banally why this dude keeps ogling her in the corner, without letting EDI organically explore those questions (pun not intended )-- makes it feel exceptionally weird, and shallow. Also, it is unrealistic/limiting that the main exploration and development of her character is centered on understanding love and developing a relationship with Joker, instead of/in addition to [insert millions of other possible, non man or sexuality centered scenarios].

But yeah, I suppose I am guilty of prudery here! Y'all are right on that score, oops.

I think that perhaps they figgured these issue were explored by Legion and they figured they were rehashing. This is a mistake imo because I see EDI as being fundamentally different from geth (analogous to humans and asari etc). Nevertheless she does explore some of these issues, like after sanctuary she queries self preservation instincts in organics

[Raiil]

Kaelef wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

But in the entire series, the only outfit that truly gave me pause was Samara's.

Samara's outfit was pretty ridiculous.  The cleavage she was showing along with her hookeresque outfit hardly seemed appropriate for a "justicar".  And this is coming from a huge fan of cleavage...

lol. I tried to justify it in my head, I really did. I got as far as 'well, she comes from a place where everyone has boobs, so maybe they're not as sexual'. The next thought was 'Yes, but if you're in a line of work where it entails standing in a high pressure bullet shower on a regular basis, maybe you shouldn't paint targets on yourself' and just decided that maybe Samara was having a mid-life crisis. 

[Asch Lavigne]

I think EDI as a squadmate was a stupid idea.

I disliked the new Ashley considering her original design was meant to be a normal female soldier.

I was just glad FemShep didn't get over the over sexualized treatment. It was one of the things I liked about playing her.

[JBPBRC]

ashwind wrote...

EDI's body was built to be an
infiltration unit... it would seem seduction is the best and easiest way
to infiltrate. So I can see the reason why EDI's body is the way it is.
I think..

Nonsense. Legion was able to quite easily
infiltrate the Citadel just by walking in. Even if it was accidental.

...Why did we pour war assets into the Citadel Defense Force again?

[clipped_wolf]

someone else wrote...
  are they storage units, or what?

She was an infiltration unit created by Cerberus.  If you were going to spend millions?  billions? on creating a woman would you make her look average or cute?  I would make her disarmingly hot to get results like when Dr Eva shot up the guard room.

[Litany of Fury]

I never really paid any attention to the 'overly sexualised' part of characters while playing. I never found myself staring at Miranda's breasts/ass (unless they were taking up the entire screen, as they are wont to do), Samara's ridiculous cleavage-canyon, or any of the other female characters' 'assets'. I guess I just focus on the Space Adventure aspect of the game more than the 'wow, that woman is hot' parts.

On the topic of EDI's body:
I never had her wearing clothes (I viewed her body as a sort of female Terminator), so I never noticed the whole cameltoe thing. Looking at it now I realise that yes the body is highly sexualised, but it kind of makes sense when you think that TIM probably told his techs to go full blown Bond girl when building it.

Modifié par Litany of Fury, 22 avril 2012 - 08:11 .

[KingKhan03]

EDI was obviously a sex-bot.

[Rane7685]

maia0407 wrote...

As a female gamer, yes, I am bothered by the over-sexualization of women in the ME universe. Before I get into the reasons, I just want to point out that I think the term misogyny is being used too loosely here as I don't see any evidence of hatred for women in the games. I see sexism which is bad enough but I don't think it reaches the level of misogyny.

I can't really discuss EDI without discussing the issues that I have with several of the other female characters including Miranda, Samara, Jack and Liara. I can't speak to Ashley as I haven't met her character. I'm a sex positive person and appreciate attractive people just as much as male gamers. The issue I have is when women's sexual attributes are emphasized to the point that the female characters are obviously being objectified. These women often have strong and interesting personalities. I don't dislike any of them. However, their sexualization in the game takes my mind off these women as people and I'm forced to take notice of their over enhanced attributes.

These women are objectified. They are made to satisfy the male gaze; this objectification detracts from the characterization. How am I supposed to take a character seriously when they are dressed so ridiculously? I don't need their sexuality constantly thrown in my face to know that they are sexual people. Ridiculously large busts and asses coupled with silly outfits that most professionals (well, with the exception of certain pro's)  would not wear just screams 'Don't take me seriously. I'm just here to be oggled at!'

Take a step back for a moment guys, and imagine that the male characters were put in similar outfits with similar enhancements to their fun parts. Imagine Vega in a skin tight suit that revealed the outline of his oversized penis and balls. Or, imagine Thane in an outfit that revealed his butt cleavage. Can you tell me that you would take these men seriously? Would they be a distraction for you?

Take a look at this website that shows depictions of men dressed as female comic book characters.

http://goodcomics.co...her-side-lives/

Finally, this brings me to Edi. She is the final culmination of this problem. I got tired of looking at her overemphasized bust complete with no clothes. So, I put some clothes on her only to get heels and a ******. I dunno which is worse. Furthering the problem, as so many have mentioned, is the character arc that is explored in relation to sexual relationship with a man. Come on BW, you couldn't think of anything more original than sexy fembot? I'm left pondering how in the hell Edi and Joker can get it on without breaking Joker instead of thinking about the implications of a fully formed AI that is part of the ship but that also has a body. There is so much more territory that could have been explored with Edi but wasn't considered  as she was reduced to her sexuality.

BW did a wonderful job with femShep (although I think this was a by-product of her being the alter ego of male Shep and not by design). FemShep is not a sexualized stereotype. She's kick-ass, strong, intelligent, and sexy all at the same time. Give me more of that BW.

Firstly yeh your probably right mysogynism isnt the right term, secondly I think you have hit a good point in that its not so much that they have perfect boobs prettty faces etc. but they are dressed in ridiculous clothes to emphasise these assets. I can think of  one where it went the other way though. Jacob was wearing what was frankly lycra spandex but the equivalence is wrong as the amount of women in these clothes dwarfs  the men.

I vehemently disagree with the characterisation of EDI as a sexbot as she really is far from it but ive addressed that in earlier posts

[maia0407]

Anezay wrote...

RainbowDazed wrote...

I'm neither male or female

Wait, what?

Look up intersex. It's a normal variation that happens to a small percentage of the population.

[sorentoft]

I preferred ME1 Ash. And EDI is fine. Makes perfect sense when you think about it. Her body is an android designed by humans, and how do we usually design females? Perfectly of course.

[Rane7685]

sorentoft wrote...

I preferred ME1 Ash. And EDI is fine. Makes perfect sense when you think about it. Her body is an android designed by humans, and how do we usually design females? Perfectly of course.

lol touche

[MrMcDoll]

For me - sexualisation of characters is fine as long as it has a reason - If EDI's body was sexy because it was designed by Cerberus to be physically appealing - to help with infiltration, then that is fine justification for me.
At the end of the day, sexual appeal is a massive draw-card in getting ahead in life, this has it's roots in evolutionary competition. I am sick and tired of demonising sex-appeal and the uber-PC mentality of trying to deny our base animal desires and behaviours.
As a male, this apparently makes me a chauvanist or something. Even if I understand the merits of male sexualisation, strangely enough!!
Really though, I think it just makes me honest in the face of pressure to hide behind a PC facade!


In saying that though, if dr EVA had been made for combat, not wooing and decieving and still looked sexy, then that would have raised flags in my mind.