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[aeonlifestream]

I honestly preferred EDI's concept art to her actual in game model



The top right one to be specific. I prefer the female characters not to be overly sexualized and actually are dressed in full armor.

[Navasha]

People of both genders play games to become more than what they are in real life. Men do it just as much. You don't think men like the feeling that they are attractive to every female character in the game?

How much outrage do you think there would be, if all the attractive female characters turned down the lead characters advances? Or if the only males that female players could romance were jerks with beer bellies?

Making everyone hyper-sexualized and attractive is not realistic, however, it is what we WANT in escapism. Everyone wants to be 'cooler', more attractive, confident, loved, etc... than what the real world allows us to be.

[Biotic_Warlock]

Navasha wrote...

How much outrage do you think there would be, if all the attractive female characters turned down the lead characters advances? Or if the only males that female players could romance were jerks with beer bellies?
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I bet straight men were so peeved when Traynor rejects Shep.

[d-boy15]

EDI should stay as a ship, she more interesting that way. when she become a sexualize
robot to pleased that cripple pervert and serve their adam and eve reference, she out
of my favourite characters list.

Modifié par d-boy15, 22 avril 2012 - 01:17 .

[Karrie788]

I'm a female gamer and EDI having a body made me cringe at first. But I liked the character a lot, so I forgave it, she wasn't just there for eye-candy. Same way I forgave Samara's outfit when it turned out she was a terrific character. I still think however that giving her a body was unecessary.

[JeffKaos]

As soon as EDI was put into a body the first thing I thought of was Gene Rodenberry's Andromeda. As for the oversexualisation in ME3 it seems to me that ever human in the game, even the old ones, are in absolutely perfect shape. I just thought all the spandexx outfits were rediculously impracticle.

[Karolus_V]

I didnt like EDI getting a body, I dont think it was needed for her character development. But well, if BIoware was going to go this route, I would have prefered, another design. The actual is too far of Mass Effect general design, and is more alike of a retro fifties scifi drama. Of all designs I see in that scanned page, the ones I like more are the one in the middle of the middle row(at least seems syntetic/biologic combination, at least in looks) or the last in the upper row,is more robotic.


In any case, her story could be told without having her as squadmate, and use that slot for some returning character from ME2, for example.

[Biotic_Warlock]

JeffKaos wrote...

As soon as EDI was put into a body the first thing I thought of was Gene Rodenberry's Andromeda. As for the oversexualisation in ME3 it seems to me that ever human in the game, even the old ones, are in absolutely perfect shape. I just thought all the spandexx outfits were rediculously impracticle.

Agreed.
Asari = thin
Humans = thin


Lolwut?

[Ice Cold J]

I agree. EDI was not a necessary addition to the squad. Well, not in a certain sense of the word.

Even so, she didn't have to be the overly sexualized character she was.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Navasha wrote...
Making everyone hyper-sexualized and attractive is not realistic, however, it is what we WANT in escapism. Everyone wants to be 'cooler', more attractive, confident, loved, etc... than what the real world allows us to be.

Pretty much this.  Everyone gets eye candy in video games.  This is old hat.

[theflyingzamboni]

Honestly, as a man I was disappointed by the female character designs in general in ME3. I really like how, for the most part in ME2, and even more in ME1, the women looked very ordinary. They had attractive bodies, but their assets were of pretty modest size. ME3 by comparison seems like it was invaded by an adolescent's wet dreams. I really enjoyed EDI having a body and being a squadmate, but let's be honest, she was the worst offender. They all got implants though, even femShep. Really wish the character designer had continued to show the maturity that they had displayed in the previous 2 games, with only a few (and usually reasonable) exceptions. To me it's another sign that they were hoping to draw in a larger audience.

[Sir Fluffykins]

I was disappointed that the only non-sexual "female" in the game was put into a super-endowed Fembot body, but the humor, EDI's discussions about being alive and the general situations more than made up for it.

PS: I'm a guy

PPS: Comments on "Cameltoe" -I'm not seeing it -is it only when she has clothes on?

[Sal86]

As a female gamer it doesn't really bother me tbh. In EDI's particular case, I just assumed that a group of male cerberus scinetists designed her body, which is more me being sexist than BW really. As long as the personalities aren't compromised as well, eye candy on both sides is ok by me.

Then again I do laugh at Miranda's gratuitous 'butt-cam', just because it's so blatant.

[Dendio1]

Sal86 wrote...

As a female gamer it doesn't really bother me tbh. In EDI's particular case, I just assumed that a group of male cerberus scinetists designed her body, which is more me being sexist than BW really. As long as the personalities aren't compromised as well, eye candy on both sides is ok by me.

Then again I do laugh at Miranda's gratuitous 'butt-cam', just because it's so blatant.

I like you. Good, fair, and self aware post.

Modifié par Dendio1, 22 avril 2012 - 08:06 .

[KingZayd]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

Navasha wrote...

How much outrage do you think there would be, if all the attractive female characters turned down the lead characters advances? Or if the only males that female players could romance were jerks with beer bellies?
.

I bet straight men were so peeved when Traynor rejects Shep.

yep :/

[Sgt Stryker]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Navasha wrote...
Making everyone hyper-sexualized and attractive is not realistic, however, it is what we WANT in escapism. Everyone wants to be 'cooler', more attractive, confident, loved, etc... than what the real world allows us to be.

Pretty much this.  Everyone gets eye candy in video games.  This is old hat.

Fair enough, but there is a difference between sexy/attractive and sexualized. My main problem with sexualized appearances is that it's simply inconsistent with the setting and as a result undermines my suspension of disbelief. (Say hi, ME2's lack of armored hardsuits!)

[AnImpossibleGirl]

I never thought about it at all...any of the females or males, except Joker. Really? His brittle bones can support that frame? Uh huh.
But as for the women I figured they are really active. If anything EDI's ****** made me a bit jealous, they were huge (I too thought of Andromeda). But, she never bothered me one bit. Nor did Miranda's rear end, they were both "designed" I figured them for perfect women (Fembot for EDI). I genuinely liked them both. I don't want to play a game where all my squaddies make me want to throw twinkies and clearasil at them.
I, am a woman. It just doesn't bother me. What bothers me is FemSheps boobs...eek.

[gearseffect]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

Navasha wrote...

How much outrage do you think there would be, if all the attractive female characters turned down the lead characters advances? Or if the only males that female players could romance were jerks with beer bellies?
.

I bet straight men were so peeved when Traynor rejects Shep.

I wasn't peeved that Traynor rejected Me. In fact I liked her being a lesbian.  I liked how she turned me down, it was very well done. In real life some of my closest friends are lesbians, one of 'em I didn't know was a lesbian and she pucnhed me when I hit on her. We're great friends and she still punchs me at times, only now she don't put force into it.

So I wasn't peeved, I liked Samantha, wished BW would have done more with her character, She had so much more potential that they never used.
In fact I liked her so well I'm on a first name basis with her, she was much more intresting and than Kelly, who was basiclly only a flirt in ME2, she was supposed to have more of her background talked about in ME3, but that got cut from the scripts and she was reduced to the flirt.

But yeah EDI, I was happy with her body, and I also liked that BW built upon her and Joker's relationship, it was good to see another couple grow and someone else find happiness. Joker and EDI and Ken and Gabby perfect couples. Samara and My Shepard too.

[Favourite store on the CitadeI]

Rane7685 wrote...

 This post is mainly addressed to female gamers but guys can chime in too obviously. Im curious female gamers  are usually done a serious injustice with respect to the female characters in games. They tend to be hyper sexualised (both in appearance and personality) and I can understand why that would be somewhat alienating.

As humans we all enjoy seeing pretty things and this does go both ways (most male protagonists are attractiive too just look at Sheploo) but the attitude towards women seems especially bad with exceptionally suggestive shots/clothing and personalities to match.

Occasionally (and I mean very occasionally) this does actually fit the character but I can only name three instances where I have actually believed the hypersexualisation added to the narrative (catwoman in Batman AC, DA2 Isabella and Bayonetta (in parts where its clearly satire and not overly gratuitous)).

The thing is in ME2 I always wanted EDI to get a body and was excited when she got one. When I saw her body I really really liked it too (except for the high heels (seriously how can you do combat in those)). Now I understand that her body conforms to the hypersexualisation I have jut discussed but I also recognise people like pretty things (movie stars) and it does go both ways. What was a relief was that her personality didnt change to reflect the stale and frankly misogynistic take on women that seems endemic in gaming

I think what Im trying to ask is did you like EDI getting a body? If yes did you find  the body hypersexualised (it is but I mean in a way that is alienating) and finally am I right in saying that the problem is with hypersexualised personalities as opposed to their appearance/suggestive camera angles (zooming in on breasts etc which they fortunately didnt do  with EDI (although they still did this with Miranda))

Also for this argument can we pretend that cameltoe thing never happened. Id like you to answer this as if that wasnt included if at all possible

EDIT: The high heels thing seems to be a miscommunication on my part I didnt mean EDI herself, its just I see a lot of women in combat roles in games wearing high heels and I find it a bit bizarre. Also when you answer if you dont mind disclosing it could you iidentify your gender just so I get a bit of perspective thanks

Didn't really bother me. I get that the models are "all the same", but EDI's should have been less human woman like. 

[bpzrn]

 EDI was teh best new charachter IMO

Personality and Look and she was useful to bing along in battle too.

[formshifter]

Personally I preferred ME and ME2. Mass Effect has the people look attractive. They are not over the top. Neither was given an overdeveloped body. Heck, look at Ashley's hair. It was in a practical bun (though I *do* think that military regulations would say shorter hair), rather than the long, luxurious, flowing locks she has in 3 (/sarcasm).

ME2 gave us two over the top characters (MIranda and Samara), but they were good characters, at least. We also had less sexual characters (Tali, Jack, Chambers). Frankly, I don't like the idea of all heroines following the tomb raider method of attraction (making the chick look like she took estrogen pills during puberty). I can understand why it is done, but I don't think it's the best of things.

[Tarothe]

Biological male here.
On the subject - Although I love EDI as a character, her quirkiness and wit, I must say her new "body" was a bit overdone if You ask me. But after reading comments here about her body, or well, Eva's body, made by Cerberus, I realized that it actually makes sense for it to be overtly sexualized.
Another thing is I never once thought of Samara as oversexualized in ME2 until I read it here. I think in her case it's mostly because she is a mixture of a terminator with a motherly figure, thus she's completely devoid of any sexuality to me, and her face looks pretty oldish (which makes sense considering her matriarch stage.) Oversexualization of Miranda is plausibly explained also.
So before EDI I thought that this game was fairly bias-free (that is, all thing considered, in gaming world), but now I think even EDI kind of makes sense. I just wish they gave us clothes for her, like an alternative outfit that makes you feel like you actually dressed her. Or some alternative clothes for Kaidan or Garrus with their tops off, you know, for balance.

Modifié par Tarothe, 22 avril 2012 - 09:43 .

[Tarothe]

removed (pressed quote instead of edit)

Modifié par Tarothe, 22 avril 2012 - 09:43 .

[George Costanza]

I hate overly sexualised characters (unless it fits the tone of the piece) and with Mass Effect, a series which handles sexual orientation quite admirably, and presents a more tolerant future, hyper-sexualised character models aimed at horny teenagers seem out of place. With some strong female characters it's tragic to see the game slip into bad stereotypes when it does, but in fairness to the series, the instances are few and far between. EDI's character model isn't the best, and I noticed they always seemed to shoot Miranda from behind and at arse height during cutscenes, but I think Samara is the ugliest character model in the entire series. It sticks out like a sore thumb to me, and I disliked it so much that I never, ever used her in my squad unless I was made to.

Modifié par George Costanza, 22 avril 2012 - 09:55 .

[CaptainDope]

You have to remember, that EVA, the body EDI used, was probably built to be able to used as an infiltration unit. Instead of sneaking her way past security, EVA could maybe use "assets" to show off some skin and curves to entire human male guards to lower their guard, and then strike at them.

But yes, I do agree that the ****** was too much.