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#102
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Posté 07 décembre 2009 - 08:24
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Rainen89 wrote...
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Greek: See pedophilic orgies, not everything about history is glamorous.
Complete freedom is not limited to desire to pursue ones own sexual desire. That is just allowing people to pursue what feels right to them. At best you could call it hedonism but every @#*@#Ng person is to some extent a hedonist. Saying rules say we shouldn't acknowledge homosexuality because it could lead to social upheaval and anarchy is something I don't even think Fox news would say, sigh I truly, truly abhor trolls.
Give some people complete freedom to pursue what they 'desire' sexually and they would have sex with minors - so should we allow them to pursue it since it feels right to them? Fact is there has to be some rules and the question comes down to what rules should there be.
Your argument is stating that rules need to be made to protect against certain wrongs, yes, yes they do. There are laws that say a minor cannot engage in certain acts with an adult because they are too young and mentally immature (socially, not intellectually.) to understand or make sound judgments based on their feelings. Homosexuality is regarding two fully mature and normal individuals these people are no more likely to commit heinous acts than any hetero couple. In fact, most rapists tend to be heterosexuals, there is absolutely no correlation between homosexuality and deviation of the law. There is no reason to deny them or anyone the liberties we grant anyone else. the ONLY reason this belief is prevalent in society is because of procreation, nothing else.
There are laws that forbid polygamy, incense and beastiality. In ancient times all 3 were common but in modern times many nations have banned these. Fact is, the moment any law is implemented it infringes on the rights of someone. This topic is not a simple one otherwise it would not be as big of an issue these days.
One final note, bringing the focus back to DAO. Consider these:
1. Character has a wife who left him for another woman
2. Three characters whose sexual preferences seem to be both ways, or whose sexual gender is in question
3. **** house where character can do it with an 'animal' (Bestiality)
4. Joke is made about character having thoughts of doing his sister (Incense)
My bet is, in the coming months, there is going to me a lot more discussion about these. Its probably exactly what the company wants too - any publicity is good!
Okay people, I am done with this thread, nice discussion!
Good Gaming
#103
Posté 07 décembre 2009 - 08:27
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Schyzm wrote...
Lughsan35 wrote...
Mr_Martlet wrote...
All the polls taken have repeated shown that only 1% of humanity is ******, or bisexual. those who are involied in that life style always want others to believe it is much higher percentage. You said nothing about the 10% because you are afraid of reality. If 10% of humanity were ****** or whatever the birth rate would be a lot differant
http://health.discov...redckinsey.html
Dr Alfred kinsey disagrees with you...
More recent polls also disagree with you...
pretty much everyone disagrees with alfred kinsey. and most polls put the population around 3% not 10%.
1993: The Alan Guttmacher Institute of sexually active men aged 20–39 found that 2.3% had experienced same-sex sexual activity in the last ten years, and 1.1% reported exclusive homosexual contact during that time.
1990-1992: The American National Health Interview Survey conducts household interviews of the civilian non-institutionalized population. The results of three of these surveys, done in 1990-1991 and based on over 9,000 responses each time, found between 2-3% of the people responding said yes to a set of statements which included "You are a man who has had sex with another man at some time since 1977, even one time."
sorry to burst your gay bubble.
When asked about GLB population statistics, Gary J. Gates, a Senior Research Fellow at The Williams Institute on Sexual Orientation Law and Public Policy, says:
"That's the single question that I'm asked the most. The answer is
unfortunately not simple. I'll respond with a question. What do you
mean when you use the word 'gay'? If you mean people who identify as
gay, lesbian, or bisexual in a survey, then the answer is that it's
likely not one in ten, but closer to one in twenty. A recent government
survey found that 4 percent of adults aged 18-45 identified as
'homosexual' or 'bisexual.' A similar proportion of voters identify as
GLB. If you define gay as having same-sex attractions or behaviors, you
do get higher proportions that are a bit closer to the one in ten
figure." Read more of my interview with Gary Gates.
http://gaylife.about.../population.htm
#104
Posté 07 décembre 2009 - 08:29
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Funny how I have not called anyone anything.but I'm being labeled as whatever. So is this only a narrow mind topic or can a person say what he or she thinks and not be in the wrong. My last girlfriend was "Bisexual." How ever she could not remain commited to 1 person. I think this is part of the problem with those who think of themselves as ****** or Bi-sexual. they keep fewer committments than those who see themselves as hetrosexual. In the words stated here by others show the same disloyal behavor by bi's and homosexual folks. Lanianna of however U spell here name has the idea of loyality to the person she is with.
#105
Posté 07 décembre 2009 - 08:32
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Not to mention that its not exactly unheard of for lesbian couples to procreate.
Indeed.
When two people are deeply in love, their sexuality throws up very few barriers, the largest barrier they would face would be that of other people's ignorance.
#106
Posté 07 décembre 2009 - 08:32
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Mr_Martlet wrote...
How ever she could not remain commited to 1 person. I think this is part of the problem with those who think of themselves as ****** or Bi-sexual. they keep fewer committments than those who see themselves as hetrosexual.
Wow nice bigoted statement.
#107
Posté 07 décembre 2009 - 08:32
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Schyzm wrote...
Seifz wrote...
soteria wrote...
krullstar wrote...
I am not a conservative or anything but man what is with all the gay & bisexual themes in the game?
Brings new meaning to Bi-O-Ware!
I understand the world is changing, and people are growing more tolerant to such things but come on - any more and I would expect the music score of the game to include 'Its Raining Men'! LOL
To me the funniest thing about this post is the implication that being "a conservative" is something to be ashamed of. It sounded like saying, "I'm not racist or anything, but...."
I'm not sure how "conservative" is defined in the rest of the world, but it generally means one of two things here in the States. The first, and more innocent meaning, is that you're financially conservative. You prefer a smaller government, fewer taxes, and more freedom to do as you with with your business and income. I have no problem with these people. I think that they're often a bit too conservative and not really in touch with reality, but to each his own.
The second type of conservative is the social conservative. These folks tend to be against homosexuality and gay marriage, sex education in schools, abortion, and a number of other things. Often, there stances are based on a skewed interpretation of one religious text or another. The original poster was probably referring to this type of conservative. Surely, you can see why he wouldn't want to be associated with them. They're nothing more than bigots trying to oppress people who are different from them.
Creating a topic like this about gay sex, rather than sex in general, implies that there's something wrong with gay sex. There isn't. It's entirely natural, it's practiced by many different species of mammals and other animals, and it's accepted in a great many human cultures as well. The sooner you all realize that gay people are still people, the better off we'll all be.
Zevran is from a land where the people make no distinction between heterosexual and homosexual relationships. To him, such a distinction is strange. That he hits on both male and female characters makes perfect sense. If he didn't, we'd have a topic about how BioWare hates gay people. That would be silly.
this is a pretty pigheadedly ignorant post. first, there is almost nothing skewed about the interpretation of any of the 3 major judaic religions being against homosexuality, because they pretty much all are. the skewed interpretation would be to believe they aren't. also to call people against abortion bigots is a mind bogglingly ignorant attitude.
also if you're really honest about what most other cultures think, they aren't very kind either.
I do not belong to any of the three major Judaic religions, and therefore I do not appreciate them forcing their own beliefs on me. I would point out that the particular part of the Old Testament that contains a passage against homosexuality also calls for you to stone your wife on certain occassions, promotes slavery and even outlines rules for sex with slaves, only prohibits homosexual sex involving men (apparently, even "God" found lesbians hot), and prevents people with dwarfism or damaged testicles from becoming priests. Just for fun, it also has rules about sorcery and familiars! Shall we take the entire book literally, or shall we pick and choose which lines to follow and which to ignore? Isn't it a bit hypocritical to oppose gay sex and then have sex outside of wedlock? How many single, virgin Christians/Jews/Muslims do you know?
I never said that anyone who opposes abortion is a bigot. I had many more qualifications in my sentence! Still, anyone who thinks it's acceptable to tell me that I can't have an abortion is a bigot. (Well, okay, I can't have an abortion anyway since I'm not a female. Substitute "me" for "my girlfriend.")
Guys, we're really off-topic here. Let's talk about gay sex DA:O some more.
#108
Posté 07 décembre 2009 - 08:33
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Unbelievable. I know you're gone but here's some parting thoughts for you if you're still around, KRULL.
[Whatever the case, my biggest disappointed with the game is that my request for a surprise at the Brothel did not end up being multiple women with just me! I mean, I spent so much money there, used every girl they hand - you would think they would one time offer me a group deal - you know? lol]
Not TOO much of a bottom feeder, are we, bub?
[Brings new meaning to Bi-O-Ware!]
...I would need a flow chart to explain all the ways in which that's the most astonishingly asinine thing a human has ever written.... (And I've read the works of William McGonagall).
[I understand the world is changing, and people are growing more tolerant to such things but come on - any more and I would expect the music score of the game to include 'Its Raining Men'! LOL]
I think you mean "Relax" by Frankie Goes to Hollywood. See, it's not really "gay" if you're singing about men and you happen to be a woman. In fact, it's decidedly THE OPPOSITE of being gay.
[It probably does add more interest to the game, but at times I found it was distracting]
Here's a horrifying contingency: You could always GROW UP and learn to DEAL WITH IT.
[I think such an approach is commendable but with it comes the risk that such issues will thrust the developers into the political/social arena.]
Yes, video games should be the FIRST artistic medium in history to stubbornly avoid commenting on anything politically or socially relevant to the times. You're absolutely right. (And by right I mean A MALIGNANT IMBECI...... well, you get the idea.
[Sometimes its better to be more subtle and thereby make no waves.]
I'm so glad YOU think discretion is the better part of valor. I'm also glad you've got absolutely ZERO creative input in BioWare.
[Artistic freedom - create a comic of Muhammad wearing a turban which is a bomb.
Result? Riots all over the world.]
No artistic freedom means you only say what people with a gun to your head want you to say.
I see WAY too many people stuck in that position every day. That's no way to live. It kills the human spirit and it doesn't make you safe. It just makes you submissive.
[Think of the Civil Rights movement and pretend that back then there were computer games and in one such game a black character had a love scene with a white female - such as we see in DAO. Think there would be any kind of reaction?]
Very possibly. And? If they had reacted?
[So all I am stating is that when a game plays on racism, sexuality, disparity between poor and rich then the higher the probability that the game will get some kind of reaction from one group or another.]
Yes, much better to DENY the existence of gay people and exclude them altogether. That way NO ONE will be angry... (Especially not gay people.). Disregarding people is a SUREFIRE way to make sure you don't anger them.
[The other characters in the game, I personally found some of them a bit over the top.]
Well, you've got our sympathies, your LORDSHIP.
[As I stated initially, when developers enter into this arena by injecting real life social, political issues into games then they run the risk of a potential fallout from a particular group who may have been offended.]
So in a reasonable democracy, everybody gets to cast an opinion except ARTISTS?
Genius. Oh wait, no it's not. Nevermind.
[ This is a complex matter]
No. It's very simple. Every second we spend "debating" whether or not we should consider gay people human does us all discredit no matter which side we fall on and that's all there is to it.
NOW: That being said, shut up and enjoy your in-game lesbian scenes like a thirteen year old who's not a total freak.
[Whatever the case, my biggest disappointed with the game is that my request for a surprise at the Brothel did not end up being multiple women with just me! I mean, I spent so much money there, used every girl they hand - you would think they would one time offer me a group deal - you know? lol]
Not TOO much of a bottom feeder, are we, bub?
[Brings new meaning to Bi-O-Ware!]
...I would need a flow chart to explain all the ways in which that's the most astonishingly asinine thing a human has ever written.... (And I've read the works of William McGonagall).
[I understand the world is changing, and people are growing more tolerant to such things but come on - any more and I would expect the music score of the game to include 'Its Raining Men'! LOL]
I think you mean "Relax" by Frankie Goes to Hollywood. See, it's not really "gay" if you're singing about men and you happen to be a woman. In fact, it's decidedly THE OPPOSITE of being gay.
[It probably does add more interest to the game, but at times I found it was distracting]
Here's a horrifying contingency: You could always GROW UP and learn to DEAL WITH IT.
[I think such an approach is commendable but with it comes the risk that such issues will thrust the developers into the political/social arena.]
Yes, video games should be the FIRST artistic medium in history to stubbornly avoid commenting on anything politically or socially relevant to the times. You're absolutely right. (And by right I mean A MALIGNANT IMBECI...... well, you get the idea.
[Sometimes its better to be more subtle and thereby make no waves.]
I'm so glad YOU think discretion is the better part of valor. I'm also glad you've got absolutely ZERO creative input in BioWare.
[Artistic freedom - create a comic of Muhammad wearing a turban which is a bomb.
Result? Riots all over the world.]
No artistic freedom means you only say what people with a gun to your head want you to say.
I see WAY too many people stuck in that position every day. That's no way to live. It kills the human spirit and it doesn't make you safe. It just makes you submissive.
[Think of the Civil Rights movement and pretend that back then there were computer games and in one such game a black character had a love scene with a white female - such as we see in DAO. Think there would be any kind of reaction?]
Very possibly. And? If they had reacted?
[So all I am stating is that when a game plays on racism, sexuality, disparity between poor and rich then the higher the probability that the game will get some kind of reaction from one group or another.]
Yes, much better to DENY the existence of gay people and exclude them altogether. That way NO ONE will be angry... (Especially not gay people.). Disregarding people is a SUREFIRE way to make sure you don't anger them.
[The other characters in the game, I personally found some of them a bit over the top.]
Well, you've got our sympathies, your LORDSHIP.
[As I stated initially, when developers enter into this arena by injecting real life social, political issues into games then they run the risk of a potential fallout from a particular group who may have been offended.]
So in a reasonable democracy, everybody gets to cast an opinion except ARTISTS?
Genius. Oh wait, no it's not. Nevermind.
[ This is a complex matter]
No. It's very simple. Every second we spend "debating" whether or not we should consider gay people human does us all discredit no matter which side we fall on and that's all there is to it.
NOW: That being said, shut up and enjoy your in-game lesbian scenes like a thirteen year old who's not a total freak.
#109
Posté 07 décembre 2009 - 08:34
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The second type of conservative is the social conservative. These folks tend to be against homosexuality and gay marriage, sex education in schools, abortion, and a number of other things. Often, there stances are based on a skewed interpretation of one religious text or another. The original poster was probably referring to this type of conservative. Surely, you can see why he wouldn't want to be associated with them. They're nothing more than bigots trying to oppress people who are different from them.
You're right, I wouldn't want to be associated with people that adopt a skewed interpretation of a religious text. And.... well, as I learned from Bambi, if you can't say nothing nice, don't say nothing at all, so I'll leave you to your views on social conservatism.
#110
Posté 07 décembre 2009 - 08:34
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Seifz wrote...
Schyzm wrote...
Seifz wrote...
soteria wrote...
krullstar wrote...
I am not a conservative or anything but man what is with all the gay & bisexual themes in the game?
Brings new meaning to Bi-O-Ware!
I understand the world is changing, and people are growing more tolerant to such things but come on - any more and I would expect the music score of the game to include 'Its Raining Men'! LOL
To me the funniest thing about this post is the implication that being "a conservative" is something to be ashamed of. It sounded like saying, "I'm not racist or anything, but...."
I'm not sure how "conservative" is defined in the rest of the world, but it generally means one of two things here in the States. The first, and more innocent meaning, is that you're financially conservative. You prefer a smaller government, fewer taxes, and more freedom to do as you with with your business and income. I have no problem with these people. I think that they're often a bit too conservative and not really in touch with reality, but to each his own.
The second type of conservative is the social conservative. These folks tend to be against homosexuality and gay marriage, sex education in schools, abortion, and a number of other things. Often, there stances are based on a skewed interpretation of one religious text or another. The original poster was probably referring to this type of conservative. Surely, you can see why he wouldn't want to be associated with them. They're nothing more than bigots trying to oppress people who are different from them.
Creating a topic like this about gay sex, rather than sex in general, implies that there's something wrong with gay sex. There isn't. It's entirely natural, it's practiced by many different species of mammals and other animals, and it's accepted in a great many human cultures as well. The sooner you all realize that gay people are still people, the better off we'll all be.
Zevran is from a land where the people make no distinction between heterosexual and homosexual relationships. To him, such a distinction is strange. That he hits on both male and female characters makes perfect sense. If he didn't, we'd have a topic about how BioWare hates gay people. That would be silly.
this is a pretty pigheadedly ignorant post. first, there is almost nothing skewed about the interpretation of any of the 3 major judaic religions being against homosexuality, because they pretty much all are. the skewed interpretation would be to believe they aren't. also to call people against abortion bigots is a mind bogglingly ignorant attitude.
also if you're really honest about what most other cultures think, they aren't very kind either.
I do not belong to any of the three major Judaic religions, and therefore I do not appreciate them forcing their own beliefs on me. I would point out that the particular part of the Old Testament that contains a passage against homosexuality also calls for you to stone your wife on certain occassions, promotes slavery and even outlines rules for sex with slaves, only prohibits homosexual sex involving men (apparently, even "God" found lesbians hot), and prevents people with dwarfism or damaged testicles from becoming priests. Just for fun, it also has rules about sorcery and familiars! Shall we take the entire book literally, or shall we pick and choose which lines to follow and which to ignore? Isn't it a bit hypocritical to oppose gay sex and then have sex outside of wedlock? How many single, virgin Christians/Jews/Muslims do you know?
I never said that anyone who opposes abortion is a bigot. I had many more qualifications in my sentence! Still, anyone who thinks it's acceptable to tell me that I can't have an abortion is a bigot. (Well, okay, I can't have an abortion anyway since I'm not a female. Substitute "me" for "my girlfriend.")
Guys, we're really off-topic here. Let's talk about gay sex DA:O some more.
yah all I see here is a judgemental bigot flaming everything he even mildly disagrees with.
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Posté 07 décembre 2009 - 08:34
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Uh... that "incest". Incense are those fume-like things you tend to see in religious ceremonies.krullstar wrote...
4. Joke is made about character having thoughts of doing his sister (Incense)
#112
Posté 07 décembre 2009 - 08:37
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You're being labeled because you're biased and you're saying things that are outrageously false. My favorite being "1% of the world is homosexual, and only 1%" I am slightly paraphrasing. There is no correlation to promiscuity and ******/bisexuality just because your girlfriend cheated does not mean everyone who happens to be attracted to the same or multiple sexes is like that. Honestly promiscuity extends well into heterosexuality, very, very deeply into. You're biased, I get that and you have every right under this country to feel that way but you're intolerant and you need to realize that these people you label as gay are normal people who deserve just as much respect as you would give someone who was heterosexual. Also to the dwarf poster,
1. That is more akin to long distance relationship, I'm sorry but alone in caves away from everyone, things happen accept it or not it's not an argument for promiscuity or homosexuality, it's an argument for hedonism.
2.Three characters? You are aware ******/bisexuality is prevalent, whether you accept it or not is irrelevent most people just feel the need to hide it because of views such as these.
3. I will admit, that was @#*@ed up.
4 A joke is a joke I don't remember incestuous comments but okay.
1. That is more akin to long distance relationship, I'm sorry but alone in caves away from everyone, things happen accept it or not it's not an argument for promiscuity or homosexuality, it's an argument for hedonism.
2.Three characters? You are aware ******/bisexuality is prevalent, whether you accept it or not is irrelevent most people just feel the need to hide it because of views such as these.
3. I will admit, that was @#*@ed up.
4 A joke is a joke I don't remember incestuous comments but okay.
#113
Posté 07 décembre 2009 - 08:37
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Discussion about the game and it's aspects are good. But even polite and well reasoned debate about society at large is beyond the scope of this forum :-)
Ok, that probably lasted longer than normal for these types of threads. Good job everyone.
I'm going to close this thread here, as it's not longer related to the game.
I'm sure another thread will be created by some new person in the next day or so and the same conversation will happen again, with some of the same people, but some different people as well ;-)
Ok, that probably lasted longer than normal for these types of threads. Good job everyone.
I'm going to close this thread here, as it's not longer related to the game.
I'm sure another thread will be created by some new person in the next day or so and the same conversation will happen again, with some of the same people, but some different people as well ;-)
