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[DOCTOR CHA0TICA]

Finished Mass Effect 3 the other day, and in truth I, like so many others felt wronged by the ending. After some thought, and after seeing this vid : www.youtube.com/watch I think Indoc Theory makes alot of sense. I know some don't think I.T. makes any sense whatsoever, but I want  to believe it!! 

I don't want to have the last 10/15 minutes, of what is an amazing game, ruined by "bad writing" or whatever else you wanna call it.

I.T, for me is a good theory, take the little boy Shep sees playing before the Reapers arrive.... only Shep sees or hears him when you enter the building after you defeat the Husks. Or why no one helps the boy into the shuttle when Sheps leaving, and how the boy looks right at Shep. Also, how The catalyst looks like the boy. Indoctrination can create hallucinations (as described in the Codex of ME2) 

Now, some may disagree with me, but I firmly believe the "end game" of ME3 is all an hallucination and Shep's body is still on Earth, after Harbingers beam hit.

I also believe what someone else said about Hackett being Indoctrinated.... I think the events of Arrival where Hacketts/The Reapers attempt to fully Indoctrinate Shepard.

Or, I could be completely wrong, and BW's Extended Cut DLC will involve Shep waking up on The Normandy SR1, after he was knocked unconscious by the Prothean Beacon on Eden Prime! 

[Grimgaww]

I'm sure that the extended cut will going to explain us about shepard
being indocrinated. If not i don't see how Bioware get them self out trying to explain us what's really going on.
What ever you read watch or think the catalyst scene cannot be part of the
game because  if it is, try to explain it without saying Shepard is
indocrinated.
The whole catalyst twist with the three options was artistically/emotionally amazing but it
 just doesn't fit ME series.

If Bioware will go with the indoctination theory (which i'm sure they are)  it will be more stupid than it already is.
Why? Because they will need to change also ME1&2 to make it reasonable.

The whole idea of this ending was to leave it with plots and questions so we'll buy the DLC
for the answers. I think Bioware got the oposite with this ending.

[DOCTOR CHA0TICA]

Grimgaww wrote...

I'm sure that the extended cut will going to explain us about shepard
being indocrinated. If not i don't see how Bioware get them self out trying to explain us what's really going on.
What ever you read watch or think the catalyst scene cannot be part of the
game because  if it is, try to explain it without saying Shepard is
indocrinated.
The whole catalyst twist with the three options was artistically/emotionally amazing but it
 just doesn't fit ME series.

If Bioware will go with the indoctination theory (which i'm sure they are)  it will be more stupid than it already is.
Why? Because they will need to change also ME1&2 to make it reasonable.

The whole idea of this ending was to leave it with plots and questions so we'll buy the DLC
for the answers. I think Bioware got the oposite with this ending.

A sad but true fact, games are being released "incomplete" so players buy the DLC.... 

I hope BW take all fan feedback regarding Indoc, and listen to us!! It would make so much sense, and gain alot of respect I think... or maybe we'll get a "Dallas" moment, and it would have been all a dream! 

[NM_Che56]

It seems the most plausible explanation. If not then that'll be one hell of an extended cut. I think IT would be a brilliant choice and really creative twist that we shoulda saw coming in retrospect! Like seeing the 6th sense! All the signs were there, we just allowed other things to distract us

[KingZayd]

me too, but i think the Earthchild's actually real, and not part of the indoctrination itself.

[NM_Che56]

DOCTOR CHA0TICA wrote...

Grimgaww wrote...
I'm sure that the extended cut will going to explain us about shepard
being indocrinated. If not i don't see how Bioware get them self out trying to explain us what's really going on.
What ever you read watch or think the catalyst scene cannot be part of the
game because  if it is, try to explain it without saying Shepard is
indocrinated.
The whole catalyst twist with the three options was artistically/emotionally amazing but it
 just doesn't fit ME series.
If Bioware will go with the indoctination theory (which i'm sure they are)  it will be more stupid than it already is.
Why? Because they will need to change also ME1&2 to make it reasonable.
The whole idea of this ending was to leave it with plots and questions so we'll buy the DLC
for the answers. I think Bioware got the oposite with this ending.

A sad but true fact, games are being released "incomplete" so players buy the DLC.... 
I hope BW take all fan feedback regarding Indoc, and listen to us!! It would make so much sense, and gain alot of respect I think... or maybe we'll get a "Dallas" moment, and it would have been all a dream! 

if they pull a St. elsewhere then I'm putting my discs in the first wood chipper I see.

[DOCTOR CHA0TICA]

KingZayd wrote...


me too, but i think the Earthchild's actually real, and not part of the indoctrination itself.

I thought the Catalyst looked very much like the boy Shep sees... I could be wrong though! lol

[TheWerdna]

While i do not think the Indoctrination Theory is true, i do agree it makes 100x more sense then the actual ending.

[NM_Che56]

KingZayd wrote...

me too, but i think the Earthchild's actually real, and not part of the indoctrination itself.

Heres the thing about that:  the boy on Earth looks like star child?  Shep has nightmares and the catalyst takes that form?


It PICKED that form...so what is It?  

Harbinger?

SOVEREIGN?  THAT WOULD KICK ASS!

[DJBare]

KingZayd wrote...

me too, but i think the Earthchild's actually real, and not part of the indoctrination itself.

If they go for IT, then I'd say the child was never real(accept when he is playing on the roof garden), remember the first scene when Shepard is knocked unconscious?, and then there is the fact that no one but Shepard ever sees the child, Anderson does not seem the type that would ignore a child hiding in the vent, he had to have heard Shepard talking to someone but makes no mention of it.

Modifié par DJBare, 22 avril 2012 - 01:28 .

[NM_Che56]

DOCTOR CHA0TICA wrote...

KingZayd wrote...


me too, but i think the Earthchild's actually real, and not part of the indoctrination itself.

I thought the Catalyst looked very much like the boy Shep sees... I could be wrong though! lol

. Why does star snot have a HOODIE?!  That's just suspicious as hell!

Modifié par Master Che, 22 avril 2012 - 01:28 .

[someone else]

Hey OP, just check out the link in my sig - its a very plausible and I think better "explanation" - more critically, it gives BW an easier path way to go than IT

ps not trying for points here, but so far no one has come up with flaw that sticks, unlike IT

[Navasha]

I think that people who adamantly refuse to believe in even the possibility of the indoctrination theory, just don't want to admit that they might have made the "wrong" choice at the end.

The Indoc. theory is the certainly the best fit to explain everything left so unanswered in the current endings. That doesn't mean there are not other possibilities, but there is just so much foreshadowing in the game as to what is expected at the end.

[Velocithon]

Master Che wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

me too, but i think the Earthchild's actually real, and not part of the indoctrination itself.

Heres the thing about that:  the boy on Earth looks like star child?  Shep has nightmares and the catalyst takes that form?


It PICKED that form...so what is It?  

Harbinger?

SOVEREIGN?  THAT WOULD KICK ASS!

I think that is the biggest thing unexplained. Why does th Catalyst choose this form? There is no way it knows that Shepards been having nightmares about that kid.

The only explanation that makes sense is IT. In that case.

[DOCTOR CHA0TICA]

Master Che wrote...

DOCTOR CHA0TICA wrote...

KingZayd wrote...


me too, but i think the Earthchild's actually real, and not part of the indoctrination itself.

I thought the Catalyst looked very much like the boy Shep sees... I could be wrong though! lol

. Why does star snot have a HOODIE?!  That's just suspicious as hell!

Maybe BW got into the "hoody culture" ?!! 

[DOCTOR CHA0TICA]

Velocithon wrote...

Master Che wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

me too, but i think the Earthchild's actually real, and not part of the indoctrination itself.

Heres the thing about that:  the boy on Earth looks like star child?  Shep has nightmares and the catalyst takes that form?


It PICKED that form...so what is It?  

Harbinger?

SOVEREIGN?  THAT WOULD KICK ASS!

I think that is the biggest thing unexplained. Why does th Catalyst choose this form? There is no way it knows that Shepards been having nightmares about that kid.

The only explanation that makes sense is IT. In that case.

I agree.... I hope that the IT is the "true" end, and the EC will show Shep (if you chose destro) waking up by the Conduit.....

any idea when EC is gunna be released??

[KingZayd]

DOCTOR CHA0TICA wrote...

KingZayd wrote...


me too, but i think the Earthchild's actually real, and not part of the indoctrination itself.

I thought the Catalyst looked very much like the boy Shep sees... I could be wrong though! lol

Yeah, the image of the Earthchild is used afterwards, (the hallucination is created using your own mind's resources after all). But the original Earthchild is real in my opinion.

[KingZayd]

Master Che wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

me too, but i think the Earthchild's actually real, and not part of the indoctrination itself.

Heres the thing about that:  the boy on Earth looks like star child?  Shep has nightmares and the catalyst takes that form?


It PICKED that form...so what is It?  

Harbinger?

SOVEREIGN?  THAT WOULD KICK ASS!

The Starchild looks like the Earthchild, not the other way round the Starchild is exploiting Shepard's emotional vulnerabilities.

[NM_Che56]

Navasha wrote...

I think that people who adamantly refuse to believe in even the possibility of the indoctrination theory, just don't want to admit that they might have made the "wrong" choice at the end.

The Indoc. theory is the certainly the best fit to explain everything left so unanswered in the current endings. That doesn't mean there are not other possibilities, but there is just so much foreshadowing in the game as to what is expected at the end.

. 

I think people who don't think IT is possible are simpletons who reject anything that isnt obvious or straightforward.

[DJBare]

KingZayd wrote...
The Starchild looks like the Earthchild, not the other way round the Starchild is exploiting Shepard's emotional vulnerabilities.

In my opinion, the only time the child is ever real is when we first see him playing with the aircraft.

[KingZayd]

DJBare wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

me too, but i think the Earthchild's actually real, and not part of the indoctrination itself.

If they go for IT, then I'd say the child was never real(accept when he is playing on the roof garden), remember the first scene when Shepard is knocked unconscious?, and then there is the fact that no one but Shepard ever sees the child, Anderson does not seem the type that would ignore a child hiding in the vent, he had to have heard Shepard talking to someone but makes no mention of it.

Anderson didn't seem to notice Shepard talking to a vent either, and i imagine Anderson would know that was weird. Anderson didn't see the Earthchild, nor did he notice Shepard talking to a vent. Anderson just knew that Shepard wasn't moving.

[PSUHammer]

When Gamble and others have been asked if IT is possible and will be addressed, they have been coy. No flat out denials. While this may not mean anything, they are still giving fans the option of believing it. They could have easily said the IT was just fans overthinking things and said the existing ending will just be expanded.

[NM_Che56]

KingZayd wrote...

Master Che wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

me too, but i think the Earthchild's actually real, and not part of the indoctrination itself.

Heres the thing about that:  the boy on Earth looks like star child?  Shep has nightmares and the catalyst takes that form?
It PICKED that form...so what is It?  
Harbinger?
SOVEREIGN?  THAT WOULD KICK ASS!

The Starchild looks like the Earthchild, not the other way round the Starchild is exploiting Shepard's emotional vulnerabilities.

What if they are the same?  Remember that the theory proposes that the boy was an indoctrination induced hallucinating 

[The Spamming Troll]

i really like the thought of the IT as well.

its ALOT better then what i noticed happening in game.

[DOCTOR CHA0TICA]

Nice to know I'm not alone!