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[dorktainian]

My theory behind the IT is that Bioware is just so miffed we figured it out cos they were trying to be smart asses.

[Humakt83]

redplague wrote...

The IT is based on the premise that it was a planned thing by Bioware, the length of time that has passed without the reveal disproves the theory.

They made a reveal, 1M1 after NA launch that they are giving us an extended ending.

[polor89]

redplague wrote...

Master Che wrote...

redplague wrote...

Umm...you realise that the indoctrination theory has already been disproven by Bioware and their summer DLC release right, as the indoctrination theory was based on the fact that it was all planned by Bioware, which obviously we realise now that it wasn't.

Dont go by memory.  Show us.

What do you mean "don't go by memory".  It's on this website that they are releasing the DLC in the summer, if they had planned it it would have been released by now.

Dude the IT hasnt been disproven by bioware they asked them in PAX East 2012 for example they didnt say the theory is wrong they didnt say anything.bioware always had in mind the IT and maybe they reach some kind of compromise to the ending which we still dont understand?
Because i dont think the IT is exactly how is showed in Acavyos video(which is mindblowing) we just have to wait and have a little faith(whatever is left) to them for the dlc

[Makrys]

The main argument for IT that I see, is that there is simply no way in hell Bioware can explain the endings without it. No way. There. End of story. Without the IT the trilogy is toast due to the (seemingly) pathetic and senseless ending.

So they would be wise to go with it. If they choose not to, they are idiots. And most people would say they already are if they actually do go with the IT, because then that would mean they have to explain to us why they would sell us an incomplete game. Either way, Bioware has quite a bit of explaining to do.

Personally, I have faith in them and I hold hope that they know what they're doing. They better have a good reason for the wait though. Regardless, in the end (no pun) all I really care about is getting a wonderful ending to my favorite trilogy. DLC or not, I just want the trilogy to get the ending it deserves. That means plot lines tied up, my choices shown to have some effect (even choices I made all the way back in ME1), and closure with all my squadmates, friends, and LI. That's what the trilogy deserves, and if Bioware can't deliver, they ruined the franchise for me. EVERYTHING about the trilogy hinges upon the end because everything you did before lead up to it, and so it should be worthy of all the hard work you put into getting there. That's all. Simple. I wished I worked at Bioware so I could implant this common sense in their brains, if it is indeed not there. Like I said, I still have hope in them. Summer is still a good way off though... The wait is going to be killer.

Modifié par Makrys, 23 avril 2012 - 04:25 .

[elegolas1]

from a lore point of view the IT is very credible

assuming it is true, the suggestied plot holes of both the IT and the ending sequence could be easily explained. It is a much further stretch explaining the teleporting squadmates and ventboy god appearance than it is explaining why the prothean vi didn't notice shepards indoctrination (for example i think shepard is never indoctrinated like saren or TIM were, indoctrination works through suggestion, such as the suggestion of control and synthesis. the final sequence is representative of reaper suggestion and you choice determines the strength of shepards mind)

however IT has flaws, mainly stemming from post release reaction of bioware, the length of time it has taken to "reveal" the IT and the overall lack of polish in the game which suggests a lack of time and money, such as the lacklustre sidequests and bland mainquest missions (palaven, thessia, earth)

it would amazing if IT proves cannon, and if not and the ec is a flop, i'll cry back to reality with the rest of the bioware community

we can only wait until this summer.....

Modifié par elegolas1, 23 avril 2012 - 07:43 .

[liggy002]

DJBare wrote...

Navasha wrote...

People would have to blatantly turn a blind eye to all of the foreshadowing. Ever ask WHY so much foreshadowing is written in to the game?

But it is understandable why they are against IT, it would mean they never got the full game they paid for.

That's true but seeing as how we are getting the Extended Cut for free.... I would be willing to overlook this fact if IT were true in the content.

[liggy002]

balance5050 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

No man, following the leaked script, Anderson is still alive, he's gonna help you up from being uncounsious. Shep pulls a metal peice from his leg (which we see in the Shep Alive scene) pumps in some medigel and keeps going.

The same leaked script that the devs came out and confirmed fake?

? What are you talking about? It came out before the game came out and it was mostly accurate except for the ending. Not fake.

What, you mean the script of the main bulk of ME3? I thought you meant the supposed leak of the EC. My bad.

That scene from the script clearly changed, because Anderson died in ME3. 

The script makes no mention at all of the IT, so bringing it up weakens your own argument.

Stengthens it because in the script changes RIGHT WHEN HARBINGER'S LASER STRIKES SHEP. And guess what else? The kid was originally Harbinger.

The kid was originally Harbinger in the leaked script?  That is very interesting indeed.  How could the IT not be true with information like that?

[Omega Torsk]

Indoctrination is the only thing that makes sense at this point. Everything after the Citadel beam felt hijacked (like we had just entered a dream sequence). The story seemed to have spontaneously disconnected itself from its prior themes in lieu of a seemingly rushed pseudo-resolution with craters of plotholes and arguments crafted by circular logic. (and you don't know why they're there, but they're there!)

*sigh* I just want Bioware to come clean with us... what were they thinking? Was this some master plan to boost interest in the game? Sell DLC? Shift fan focus? Get these threads burning?

I just want to know wtf happened to my favorite game...

I've still got a shred of optimism that they're going to fix this... I have my doubts, but their silence isn't making it easy for me to put much faith in them...

[DOCTOR CHA0TICA]

I'm a firm believer in the Indoctrination Theory. Its the most logical, plausable explination. I refuse to believe BioWare would stick two fingers up at all their loyal fans, who put so much time and money into the franchise.

Or, I could be completely wrong, and the extended cut DLC will be this :


Shep wakes up after spending 3 years in a VR sim, and all the events of Mass Effect 1, 2 & 3 where just a simulation.... and he/she is not called Shepard at all!! =D

[redplague]

KingZayd wrote...

redplague wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

redplague wrote...

Umm...you realise that the indoctrination theory has already been disproven by Bioware and their summer DLC release right, as the indoctrination theory was based on the fact that it was all planned by Bioware, which obviously we realise now that it wasn't.

Or maybe it's a way to make what was going to be a secret DLC twist reveal, not completely obvious again?

With the reaction that the endings have had it would have been the opposite, they would have released it even sooner saying "Hey this proves we meant it all along".

I don't think they anticipated the reaction. They thought they had time, and they didn't. Admitting indoc theory while having nothing to show for it wouldn't win them much.

Exactly!  If they had the IT ready to go they would have released it by now to prove that they had developed it before the game was released.  The fact that they haven't proves that IT was never the true ending.

[redplague]

polor89 wrote...

redplague wrote...

Master Che wrote...

redplague wrote...

Umm...you realise that the indoctrination theory has already been disproven by Bioware and their summer DLC release right, as the indoctrination theory was based on the fact that it was all planned by Bioware, which obviously we realise now that it wasn't.

Dont go by memory.  Show us.

What do you mean "don't go by memory".  It's on this website that they are releasing the DLC in the summer, if they had planned it it would have been released by now.

Dude the IT hasnt been disproven by bioware they asked them in PAX East 2012 for example they didnt say the theory is wrong they didnt say anything.bioware always had in mind the IT and maybe they reach some kind of compromise to the ending which we still dont understand?
Because i dont think the IT is exactly how is showed in Acavyos video(which is mindblowing) we just have to wait and have a little faith(whatever is left) to them for the dlc

If it was the ending then it would have already have been released as they would have had the ending ready to go a couple of weeks after ME3 was released.  The fact that it hasn't proves it was never the true ending.

[SubAstris]

The problem with IT is, there is as much good evidence for IT as there is for Shepard dreaming the rest of Mass Effect after being hit by the Prothean beacon on Eden Prime. It would explain a more lot of the plot holes in all the Mass Effects much better than IT would. Unfortunately, such an explanation is not as "fulfilling" as IT theorists see their own theory as, not out of any more evidence for it but rather they can still pretend that BW didn't ruin the ending completely and you can still play as Shepard.

[Qutayba]

IT is a complex beast with many variants. True, one version rests on the belief that this was BioWare's plan all along. We will eventually learn that one way of the other. But not all versions of IT rely on that assumption.

Even if that wasn't their plan, it is still an amazingly coherent interpretation of the strange things in the ending. Not a perfect explanation of everything, but it sure makes a lot more sense than many other interpretations out there. Even if it wasn't their plan, it would be awesome if BioWare could find a way to not completely close off that interpretation with the Extended Cut. That would require an awful lot of subtlety from the writers though.

[DTKT]

It's nothing more than a dream born out of crushed hopes.

[SubAstris]

Qutayba wrote...

IT is a complex beast with many variants. True, one version rests on the belief that this was BioWare's plan all along. We will eventually learn that one way of the other. But not all versions of IT rely on that assumption.

Even if that wasn't their plan, it is still an amazingly coherent interpretation of the strange things in the ending. Not a perfect explanation of everything, but it sure makes a lot more sense than many other interpretations out there. Even if it wasn't their plan, it would be awesome if BioWare could find a way to not completely close off that interpretation with the Extended Cut. That would require an awful lot of subtlety from the writers though.

The main reason why IT seems to make sense is because one of its biggest assumptions is that the ending makes none. However, there is no way to distinguish between evidence for IT and a genuine plot hole a lot of the time. You should assume that the ending should be taken at face value unless there is conclusive evidence otherwise, but most of it from the IT crowd appears to be nothing more than trying to pick at plot holes which are impossible to determine if they are deliberate or accidental

[Robhuzz]

I'm not sure what to believe. Sure the IT makes A LOT of sense. It's not waterproof and a few pieces of 'evidence' can be explained by something other than IT, but I hope the IT is right. It'd be better than taking the ending at face value since it's complete and utter garbage.

This said, if the IT is correct I hope they do stay true to the lore. Even with Shepard seeing visions he's still not indoctrinated. People claiming that after this event, Shepard is fully indoctrinated and would need to shoot himself (or W/E) and can never live a normal life again are either delusional or just desperately want grimdark endings.

Exactly!  If they had the IT ready to go they would have released it by now to prove that they had developed it before the game was released.  The fact that they haven't proves that IT was never the true ending. 

The most logical reason is that they did not create this ending yet. EA DEMANDED the current release date leaving no time for BioWare to make a proper ending. Either this or they ran out of budget and decided to release the game (since delaying it was no longer possible - thank you EA). With the game out the door, the money poured in and BioWare could start working on the actual ending.

The alternative - that someone at BioWare really thought this ending was good, even though any person with brains in their head can make a better ending in a single day - is much harder to swallow.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 23 avril 2012 - 08:25 .

[DOCTOR CHA0TICA]

Robhuzz wrote...

I'm not sure what to believe. Sure the IT makes A LOT of sense. It's not waterproof and a few pieces of 'evidence' can be explained by something other than IT, but I hope the IT is right. It'd be better than taking the ending at face value since it's complete and utter garbage.

This said, if the IT is correct I hope they do stay true to the lore. Even with Shepard seeing visions he's still not indoctrinated. People claiming that after this event, Shepard is fully indoctrinated and would need to shoot himself (or W/E) and can never live a normal life again are either delusional or just desperately want grimdark endings.

Exactly!  If they had the IT ready to go they would have released it by now to prove that they had developed it before the game was released.  The fact that they haven't proves that IT was never the true ending. 

The most logical reason is that they did not create this ending yet. EA DEMANDED the current release date leaving no time for BioWare to make a proper ending. Either this or they ran out of budget and decided to release the game (since delaying it was no longer possible - thank you EA). With the game out the door, the money poured in and BioWare could start working on the actual ending.

The alternative - that someone at BioWare really thought this ending was good, even though any person with brains in their head can make a better ending in a single day - is much harder to swallow.

I agree with that statement (italic paragraph)

[redplague]

Robhuzz wrote...

I'm not sure what to believe. Sure the IT makes A LOT of sense. It's not waterproof and a few pieces of 'evidence' can be explained by something other than IT, but I hope the IT is right. It'd be better than taking the ending at face value since it's complete and utter garbage.

This said, if the IT is correct I hope they do stay true to the lore. Even with Shepard seeing visions he's still not indoctrinated. People claiming that after this event, Shepard is fully indoctrinated and would need to shoot himself (or W/E) and can never live a normal life again are either delusional or just desperately want grimdark endings.

Exactly!  If they had the IT ready to go they would have released it by now to prove that they had developed it before the game was released.  The fact that they haven't proves that IT was never the true ending. 

The most logical reason is that they did not create this ending yet. EA DEMANDED the current release date leaving no time for BioWare to make a proper ending. Either this or they ran out of budget and decided to release the game (since delaying it was no longer possible - thank you EA). With the game out the door, the money poured in and BioWare could start working on the actual ending.

The alternative - that someone at BioWare really thought this ending was good, even though any person with brains in their head can make a better ending in a single day - is much harder to swallow.

But they're not though are they?  From what I understand the summer DLC is an extended ending not a new ending.

[DOCTOR CHA0TICA]

redplague wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

I'm not sure what to believe. Sure the IT makes A LOT of sense. It's not waterproof and a few pieces of 'evidence' can be explained by something other than IT, but I hope the IT is right. It'd be better than taking the ending at face value since it's complete and utter garbage.

This said, if the IT is correct I hope they do stay true to the lore. Even with Shepard seeing visions he's still not indoctrinated. People claiming that after this event, Shepard is fully indoctrinated and would need to shoot himself (or W/E) and can never live a normal life again are either delusional or just desperately want grimdark endings.

Exactly!  If they had the IT ready to go they would have released it by now to prove that they had developed it before the game was released.  The fact that they haven't proves that IT was never the true ending. 

The most logical reason is that they did not create this ending yet. EA DEMANDED the current release date leaving no time for BioWare to make a proper ending. Either this or they ran out of budget and decided to release the game (since delaying it was no longer possible - thank you EA). With the game out the door, the money poured in and BioWare could start working on the actual ending.

The alternative - that someone at BioWare really thought this ending was good, even though any person with brains in their head can make a better ending in a single day - is much harder to swallow.

But they're not though are they?  From what I understand the summer DLC is an extended ending not a new ending.

To be honest, I don't think we'll get any type of post-end gameplay DLC.... after the end, the game reloads to just before Cerberus base Mission. ME2 let you carry on after the end. I hope we get some quality pre-end DLC, and not loads of MP expansion packs!