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[Iakus]

Didn't hate him, but thought he was underutilized. Kinda like the Collector General in ME2

edit:  DIdn't read the books

Modifié par iakus, 22 avril 2012 - 06:18 .

[Ice Cold J]

I didn't "hate" him. I disliked him as a bad guy (obviously), but he also was far from what I expected.

I did not read the books. Not yet, anyway.

[eternalnightmare13]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

i never read the books so kai leng to me is a complete douche bag in ME3.

that email he sends shep.......i mean seriously, what a douche bag.

hes no saren, thats for sure.

LOL I know that email seemed like it was written by a junior high school student. WTF?

[Jynthor]

I read the books(except for Deception) and he was extremely disappointing in ME3. In the books he was a badass assassin. In the game he was a Final Fantasy Cyber Ninja. Need I say more?

Modifié par Jynthor, 22 avril 2012 - 07:01 .

[Saintthanksgiving]

Let me compare this Kai Leng thing to my main problem with ME2...

In Mass Effect, Saren is the main enemy

• The Geth are servants of Saren, who is the driving force behind the plot
• The Geth are mysterious, most of the galaxy knows very little about them
• The Geth have a rich and interesting backstory
• The Geth are connected to various subplots and the overall theme of the arch plot
• The Geth are unfeeling Hive minded drones
• The Geth are attacking human colonies
• The Geth are converting humans into husks and abominations

In Mass Effect 2, Harbinger is the main enemy

• The Collecters are the servants of Harbinger, who is the driving force behind the plot
• The collectors are mysterious, most of the galaxy knows very little about them
• The Collectors are the Protheans.  I know that because they told me.
• The Collectors are unfeeling hive minded drones
• The Collectors are attacking human colonies
• The Collectors are converting humans into husks and abominations

Wait a second....

The Collectors are identical to an already established Villain
The Collector's objectives are identical to the previously established Villain's
The previous Villain is still alive, and a threat, at the end of the first game
The Collector's do not exist in the previous game
The Collectors Do NOT have the extensive backstory that the previous Villain has.
The Collector's being Prothean does not contribute any signifigant conflict or turn of events.  It's just a description.



So other than the Collectors being Prothean Husks.... they serve no purpose that the Geth didnt already serve.

So why am I fighting Collectors and not Geth?

I don't care about these people.

I don't feel empathy for their fate.

I don't feel satisfction or regret at their destruction.

I have no idea where these guys even came from.

The way Bioware decided to gloss over this glaring plot hole was to have these complete nobodies kill Shepard in the opening cutscene.... which was great.  I spend an entire game keeping Shepard alive through terrible battles, against overwhelming odds...  and these Ewoks kill him off in the first three minutes of the second game. 

Well now it's personal.... I guess.



Kai Leng is just more of the same.  When I met Kai Leng, I couldn't help thinking... [/u]"who the hell is this guy?  I'm telling you Bioware, I do not care about this guy, It's too late in the story to introduce a character like this and I don't want to fight him any- THANE!
[u]
YOU KILLED THANE YOU MEDIEVAL DILLWEED! CHAAAAAAAARGE!"

It's weak.  You're better than that Bioware.

Modifié par Saintthanksgiving, 22 avril 2012 - 07:22 .

[CC-Tron]

HellbirdIV wrote...

I don't like Kai Leng because;

1. He runs around with a katana and cyber-tech sunglasses in a setting that up until ME3 was fairly realistic in terms of combat gear.

It didn't start in ME3. I believe Kasumi Goto started that rediculous trend.

[AlexMBrennan]

I have read the books, and hated him because he induced cutscene incompetence (to the extent that's possible in a book) in other character [Remember those "unattended items will be removed and may be destroyed" announcements - everyone just forgets about that when Kai needs a distraction... etc]

Hated him in the game, too, because he induced cutscene incompetence in other characters.

Then there's the character design... really, Bioware? Swords and riot shields?

Finally - I know it's sexist, sorry - but you can't have the guy kill young women and expect me to not hate him. Every time he subsequently escaped a slow and painful death just made matters worse.

I believe Kasumi Goto started that rediculous trend.

Kasumi is a thief. It's your fault for bringing a thief to a guaranteed landwar in Asia.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 22 avril 2012 - 07:27 .

[shepdog77]

i liked him and i didnt read the books. still get chills when he drops in to kill the salarian councilor and then has that scuffle with thane

[shepdog77]

also i just think of him as an exstension of the illusive man cuz IM couldn't do that stuff himself

[Melra]

I don't read the books, I don't think one should have to read books to be able to understand characters in a game. I don't like Kai Leng, I don't like people who try to be cool and fail misrerably at it.

[o Ventus]

Without spoilers, it goes something like this...

Kai Leng in books = bloodthirsty badass who doesn't give a **** about anyone or anything.

Kai Leng in game = Incompetent wannabe space ninja who failed to kill his targets every single time. The only victory he had over Shepard was the scripted one.

[StarcloudSWG]

"All you can do is run. You ran on the Citadel. You ran on Thessia. And you're running now."

Without his plot armor, he'd be dead several times over.

Modifié par StarcloudSWG, 22 avril 2012 - 07:44 .

[LOLandStuff]

Kai Leng was just there to be there and for the sake of getting in my way. I simply didn't care about who he was or what he was doing. He was more of a nuisance with too much free time and who needed killing because...well, because they just threw him in the game to have random sissy boss fights with shields down.

[TheMashing]

I'm ok with Kai Leng being in the series, but he just represents, in my opinion, a mix between Adam Jensen from Deus Ex: Human Revolution and Raiden from Metal Gear Solid, and that bugs me.

Diane Allers, though.......*twitches*.

[Wrathra]

I thought he was a weakly written character in the books and the game. He reminded me of a teenage bully.

[JamieCOTC]

I did read the books, (except for Deception) and the Leng in ME3 comes off as a totally different character. The Leng of the books is xenophobic to an extreme and is completely loyal to TIM, almost to an obsession. He kills Aria's daughter out of cruelty as much as necessity. He's not reckless, but he does fight dirty. In ME3, he comes off as TIM's pit bull. There is no depth to his character at all, something that is very important to a villain. He was billed as the anti-Shepard and he isn't, not even close. I don't hate Kai Leng, because there's not much there to hate. The same way I feel about Allers, oddly enough.  Both are a waste of space and resources. 

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 22 avril 2012 - 07:58 .

[Tup3x]

JamieCOTC wrote...

I did read the books, (except for Deception) and the Leng in ME3 comes off as a totally different character. The Leng of the books is xenophobic to an extreme and is completely loyal to TIM, almost to an obsession. He kills Aria's daughter out of cruelty as much as necessity. He's not reckless, but he does fight dirty. In ME3, he comes off as TIM's pit bull. There is no depth to his character at all, something that is very important to a villain. He was billed as the anti-Shepard and he isn't, not even close. I don't hate Kai Leng, because there's not much there to hate. The same way I feel about Allers, oddly enough.  Both are a waste of space and resources. 

I do wonder... He was indoctrinated in ME3, that should change person quite a bit. Probably modified with zillion different cybernetic implant too.

[Ramus Quaritch]

The one exception is that I love his message to you after Thessia. That was pure trolling in its finest and it really pissed me off. He was #1 on my hit list after that. It made his death scene (and the renegade interrupt) so much more satisfying.

[JamieCOTC]

Tup3xi wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

I did read the books, (except for Deception) and the Leng in ME3 comes off as a totally different character. The Leng of the books is xenophobic to an extreme and is completely loyal to TIM, almost to an obsession. He kills Aria's daughter out of cruelty as much as necessity. He's not reckless, but he does fight dirty. In ME3, he comes off as TIM's pit bull. There is no depth to his character at all, something that is very important to a villain. He was billed as the anti-Shepard and he isn't, not even close. I don't hate Kai Leng, because there's not much there to hate. The same way I feel about Allers, oddly enough.  Both are a waste of space and resources. 

I do wonder... He was indoctrinated in ME3, that should change person quite a bit. Probably modified with zillion different cybernetic implant too.

(Spoiler)

Yes!  He is indoctrinated.  According to the Prothean VI anyway.  But so was Saren. I think they just dropped the ball on Leng.

[Chewin]

No, I haven't read the novel, but the portrayal he had in ME3 was ludicrous and made me loathe him.

Even by being one of our toughest adversaries who answers directly to TIM, he merely serves as a one-dimensional plot device who mostly just exists to hamper our progress. Leng doesn’t provide a unique perspective on things, and certainly doesn’t do anything to elucidate the Illusive Man’s either. He is only a 'space ninja' to be there to look cool, and fails miserably on that part as well.

[Nozferi]

HellbirdIV wrote...

I don't like Kai Leng because;

1. He runs around with a katana and cyber-tech sunglasses in a setting that up until ME3 was fairly realistic in terms of combat gear. (Kinetic barriers are supposed to give you a few extra seconds of protection if you get shot, not make you invulnerable so you can charge people with a ****ing sword that, apparently, is more powerful than bullets)

2. He appeared right the **** out of nowhere two-thirds into the game and his very presence made Shepard act like a blithering idiot (He's on top of the flying car. FLIP IT OVER, IT'S A FLYING CAR) while serving no real purpose other than to introduce a "dragon" to the story (a powerful henchman to the big bad, even though there wasn't one in either ME1 or 2) that didn't need one.

3. He's protected by plot shields and his boss fight on Thessia is very poorly designed. It doesn't feel like he "defeats" you, it feels like you get cheated out of winning by bad writing.

4. He doesn't work as a nemesis to Shepard because he's inept (Thane kicks his ass while half-dead from a terminal disease 6 months overdue to kill him), whiny (he goes "Shut uuuup!" if you talk smack to him) and really, really bad at appearing threatening or clever with his dialogue, unlike Shepard who's actually a functional "Cool badass" (regardless of wether you're Paragon or Renegade) because the voice acting and writing is top notch on Shep. Not anywhere close for Kai Leng.

Agree with all of it.

At the car part, I was itching for an renegade interupt that let me either flip the car, or use one of those large horizontal beams to knock him off.. But sadly, like in many situations during this game where such an option would've been perfect, Shepard turns dummiedumbdumb and fails in times where the solution is obvious.

[Han Shot First]

I liked him as a character.

And by that I mean I absolutely hated him and could not wait until Shepard finally got a little payback. In that I think the writers created an effective villian, that performed the role for which he was written.

Saren was more charismatic, but he doesn't inspire the same level of hatred as Kai Leng. With Kai Leng it was personal, whereas with Saren it was mostly business.

I also didn't mind the melee weapons or the acrobatics because Kai Leng is a Reaper cyborg. I was willing to suspend disbelief because the Reapers have upgraded his reflexes, speed, strength, endurance, and survivability far beyond that of a normal human. Also, there was some foreshadowing of a Reaper cyborg's abilities with Grayson. Grayson had practically no military training whatsoever, and no background as a famed assassin (unlike Kai Leng), yet it takes dozens of well armed and capable people to bring him down. All of that was due to his enhancements as a cyborg.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 22 avril 2012 - 08:16 .

[Halfdan The Menace]

He can kill and mutilate Thane multiple times but he will never take meh cereal!!

Modifié par ModestmeNTaLmogul, 22 avril 2012 - 08:16 .

[Cybernetic_Queen]

I didn't hate him, at least not when I first saw him..

But, like a lot of ME3, it always seems to punish you if you haven't read the books. I know it's an "extra" for those who have, but it isn't that it gives the sense of a larger universe. Like Vega, a character that while probably built up in the EU, is suddenly introduced without warning or explanation in ME3, and is considered the "best" (Shep treats Vega like a best friend at the start, Kai Leng considered the "most powerful [human] adversary"...

It feels like a mary sue implant where you suddenly have a character introduced who's superspecialawesome. Not saying he -is- a Mary Sue, to be fair he's quite awesome and I'd still like him in ME3, but the abrupt introduction with little explanation (maybe a single conversation with Anderson, if I'm wrong or YMMV, forgive me).