I think they tried too hard to make him seem 'badass'. I only saw him as an annoying side villain. Far from anything worthy of being an archenemy.
I literally laughed when he sent that hate mail. He had help from a gunship and ran away, and then decides to make fun of me? So pathetic.
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#102
Posté 22 avril 2012 - 08:18
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ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...
He can kill and mutilate Thane multiple times but he will never take meh cereal!!
"This is for my corn flakes, you son-of-a-b1tch!"
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#103
Posté 22 avril 2012 - 08:29
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No, I haven't read the novel, but the portrayal he had in ME3 was ludicrous and made me loathe him.
Even by being one of our toughest adversaries who answers directly to TIM, he merely serves as a one-dimensional plot device who mostly just exists to hamper our progress. Leng doesn’t provide a unique perspective on things, and certainly doesn’t do anything to elucidate the Illusive Man’s either. He is only a 'space ninja' to be there to look cool, and fails miserably on that part as well.
^This.
He was dumb in the novel, and in the game as well. Shame.
#104
Posté 22 avril 2012 - 08:42
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I read ME: Retribution, I did not read the most recent ME Novel.
I did not like Kai Leng in ME3. I was expecting Kai Leng to be Shepard's equal since he was a former Alliance Soldier, I was expecting him to kick ass in combat but I was also expecting him to be smart and to have a more fleshed out personality then he did in books. Instead when he showed up in ME3 he looked silly ( as many on this forum pointed out he looked like a Metal Gear character, by the way I thought the cyber ninja look to be very borderline racial just because Kai Leng had a character of Asian decent ) and he was just a lacky to TIM, he had no character development and very little dialogue, at the end of the day he was just another nameless, faceless nobody that noone had any reason to care about.
I did not like Kai Leng in ME3. I was expecting Kai Leng to be Shepard's equal since he was a former Alliance Soldier, I was expecting him to kick ass in combat but I was also expecting him to be smart and to have a more fleshed out personality then he did in books. Instead when he showed up in ME3 he looked silly ( as many on this forum pointed out he looked like a Metal Gear character, by the way I thought the cyber ninja look to be very borderline racial just because Kai Leng had a character of Asian decent ) and he was just a lacky to TIM, he had no character development and very little dialogue, at the end of the day he was just another nameless, faceless nobody that noone had any reason to care about.
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Posté 22 avril 2012 - 09:04
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I'm surprised by the hate Kai Leng received. Im curious, would you kindly answer this post with if you hated him and did you read the ME books or not. No clarification needed as this is a non spoiler post.
My only experience with Mass Effect has been the games.
I did not like him as a villain. He is never established, constantly gets downplayed by other chraacers in the game, and only accomplishes his objectives because the writers had a pet and made Shepard and Co. imbeciles whenever Kai Leng appeared. (Otherwise he should have died horribly before killing Thane, on the car chase, and on Thessia. I also think that, despite not seeing it, he shouldhave had his ass handed to him by Miranda (even WITH the ambush)).
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Posté 22 avril 2012 - 09:53
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Didn't read the books, have no plan to, shouldn't have to read books to enjoy a game.
I didn't hate Kai Leng, but I think he kinda fell flat of what they were trying to do with the character. Probably something else in the game that could've used more time in development.
I didn't hate Kai Leng, but I think he kinda fell flat of what they were trying to do with the character. Probably something else in the game that could've used more time in development.
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Posté 22 avril 2012 - 10:02
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because he spread blabbermouth more than EDI that makes me feel he is a scumbag to the MAX
running left and right and sending me a troll e-mail. I just charge nova all the way and he burn with my incendiary ammo.
Even Shepard avenging my Thane i have my own dialogue
That was for your own bullcrap you SOB
running left and right and sending me a troll e-mail. I just charge nova all the way and he burn with my incendiary ammo.
Even Shepard avenging my Thane i have my own dialogue
That was for your own bullcrap you SOB
#108
Posté 22 avril 2012 - 10:14
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Didn't read the books, thought he was a stupid, pointless prettyboy ripped straight from an anime. No thanks.
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 12:05
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They're all obviously racists.
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 12:41
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I don't like Kai Leng because;
1. He runs around with a katana and cyber-tech sunglasses in a setting that up until ME3 was fairly realistic in terms of combat gear. (Kinetic barriers are supposed to give you a few extra seconds of protection if you get shot, not make you invulnerable so you can charge people with a ****ing sword that, apparently, is more powerful than bullets)
2. He appeared right the **** out of nowhere two-thirds into the game and his very presence made Shepard act like a blithering idiot (He's on top of the flying car. FLIP IT OVER, IT'S A FLYING CAR) while serving no real purpose other than to introduce a "dragon" to the story (a powerful henchman to the big bad, even though there wasn't one in either ME1 or 2) that didn't need one.
3. He's protected by plot shields and his boss fight on Thessia is very poorly designed. It doesn't feel like he "defeats" you, it feels like you get cheated out of winning by bad writing.
4. He doesn't work as a nemesis to Shepard because he's inept (Thane kicks his ass while half-dead from a terminal disease 6 months overdue to kill him), whiny (he goes "Shut uuuup!" if you talk smack to him) and really, really bad at appearing threatening or clever with his dialogue, unlike Shepard who's actually a functional "Cool badass" (regardless of wether you're Paragon or Renegade) because the voice acting and writing is top notch on Shep. Not anywhere close for Kai Leng.
LOL. The last one is so true. He's a different character in the book. Another example of bad writing in the game.
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 12:48
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I never got why Kai Leng was working for Cerberus in the first place.
Tela Vasir - helping out the Shadow Broker because she believes having the Broker as a resource is important.
Saren - indoctrinated, wants a "union of flesh and steel", thinks "slavery is preferable to extinction".
Even Balak - hates the Alliance for standing in the way of the batarians.
The only motivations we get for Kai Leng are combat taunts where he says "always pick the winning side" and "we evolve or we die". That's it. That's his motivation as presented in the game.
Tela Vasir - helping out the Shadow Broker because she believes having the Broker as a resource is important.
Saren - indoctrinated, wants a "union of flesh and steel", thinks "slavery is preferable to extinction".
Even Balak - hates the Alliance for standing in the way of the batarians.
The only motivations we get for Kai Leng are combat taunts where he says "always pick the winning side" and "we evolve or we die". That's it. That's his motivation as presented in the game.
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 12:56
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Beyond he fact that he more or less ran away from fights and it was satisfying as hell to kill his douche bag self? Even reading the books didnt make me like him
#113
Posté 23 avril 2012 - 03:16
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Kai Leng provided something that ME2 sorely needed: a villain that didn't die a few minutes after his/her first visual appearance (the only way Harbinger got around this was because he could change bodies as easily most of us could change underwear). Tazzik, Billy the Escaped Convict, or Jentha (pretty much any of the named, unique looking mercs, really, but Taz would've made the most sense) could've easily been beefed up to appear in a Calo Nord type capacity (and ME2 needed someone in that role, this is not opinion, it's fact).
ME: Retribution came out a few months after ME2 was released, and I think Drew created Kai Leng because other Renegade badass type characters who potentially could've filled that role were potentially dead or unwilling to work for Cerberus. When reading Retribution, few doubted Leng would be in ME3 (with either a limp or cybernetic legs, of course), but you didn't know whether he would be an enemy or a Renegade squadmate ala Zaeed or Morinth. Sure Leng did some outright evil things in Retribution, but look at how evil RenShep can be in ME2: letting refinery workers burn to death, letting Morinth kill Samara, goading Jack into killing Aresh (I think you tell her, "you're a killer, it's what you are" or something like that), and tricking that doped up volus into blindly throwing himself on the Sisterhood where he's sure to die. Then in ME3, you can shoot Mordin in the back (a character you should be friends with). How is Leng worse than this? How is he worse than Morinth, a shallow unrepentant sexual predator who tricks you into becoming her next victim (she doesn't genuinely think you're strong enough to survive, she's lying). The reason he doesn't show up any earlier than he does is hinted in Wilson's audio logs at Lazarus Station: He's TIM's new "favorite," and there have been many favorites before him. First, Paul Grayson was the favorite, then he got the red sand addiction and the crisis of conscience, so Miranda became the favorite, but she's nervous about losing that spot to someone else. Leng was not in ME2 because he was hunting Grayson. By the end of ME2, Miranda is either dead or through with Cerberus, which leaves Leng the new favorite. That said, LOTSB was clearly made after Retribution was published, so they could've given him an Easter Egg cameo at SB's intel center. For example, after completing Garrus' loyalty mission, you could've gotten this bit of text in SB's Cerberus dossier:
Audio transcripts:
Illusive Man: Paul, has the asset been recovered.
Paul Grayson: Her name is Gillian.
IM: Gilllian, then. What happened on the mission?
PG: The team's dead. All of them.
IM: Except you.
PG: I'm as good as dead. I'm a ghost now, you'll never find me.
IM: What about your daughter? How long will she be able to survive as a fugitive? A life on the run is no life for her. Bring her in, Paul, and we can talk about what's best for Gilliian.
PG: She's not even with me. She's on a quarian deep space exploration vessel out in the middle of some uncharted system beyond the edge of the galaxy. You'll never find her.
IM: I thought you were loyal to the cause, Paul.
PG: I was. Then I saw the kind of people who shared your vision, and I had a change of heart.
IM: I'm in the business of saving lives, Paul. Human lives. You used to understand that. Now it seems you're suddenly trying to save your soul.
PG: I think my soul is too far gone to save.
Illusive Man: Any leads on Grayson?
Kai Leng: After Daelon, he went to the Citadel and made contact with Fade. After that, the trail goes cold.
IM: If we could acquire Fade's network, it could give us an edge on the Shadow Broker.
KL: There's a contact on Zakera Ward that will lead us right to him.
IM: The arrangements have already been made. Shepard will take care of Fade for us.
KL: Shepard can't be trusted.
IM: Focus on your own mission for now.
For those who say "a sword in this day and age" or "why bring a knife to a gunfight," Drew actually answers the latter question in Retribution. Doesn't use a sword in that one, but there is a reference to a 12 inch blade, could be a model/design issue. For the first, a sword can channel biotic attacks, like a lightning rod. Saren originally was going to have a biotic lighning rod attack, but it was scrapped along with most of Saren's biotic powers (he is clearly not a biotic in Evolution or Revelation, and he only uses biotics against Shepard on Virmire). The Phantoms have tech powers similar to the Geth Hopper, and are paired with snipers to serve as cover busters. Even in today's modern army, there are silent weapons specialists. Play Splinter Cell or rent The Hunted to see how effective they can be. It is a shame you can't claim one of those swords as a trophy though.
Leng does suffer from cutscene overload, but he's one of many. Remember how Jack took down three YMIR mechs in a cutscene, but struggled against ONE during normal gameplay? What they should've done is given Shepard and Leng a confrontation similar to the quicktime knife fight between Leon and Lt. Krauser in RE4. I kept waiting for that epic clash of blades, Leng's ninjato against my Shep's shotgun-bayonet or omni-blade. I got a little bit of that during the final fight (you gotta equip the shotgun before you enter the room to see it), but it devolved into a mirror of the first fight soon enough. Provided you were able to talk Saren down on the Citadel, both of you fights against him were different. The fights with Leng on Thessia and Cronos Station were pretty much the same (originally, the station was going down in flames by this point, so you had environmental factors to deal with in addition to Leng, but this was scrapped).
I've found that on the lowest difficulty setting, my soldier can equip the shotgun bayonet, use adrenaline rush, and can actually duke it out with Leng and the Phantoms. It takes precise timing, and I suspect it's impossible on harder settings. If they're going to have melee based enemies, then there should be some situations thrown in where you must face them on their level. They should've given you SB's omni-shield, combined with the omni-blade, so you could go toe to toe with the melee classes.
ME: Retribution came out a few months after ME2 was released, and I think Drew created Kai Leng because other Renegade badass type characters who potentially could've filled that role were potentially dead or unwilling to work for Cerberus. When reading Retribution, few doubted Leng would be in ME3 (with either a limp or cybernetic legs, of course), but you didn't know whether he would be an enemy or a Renegade squadmate ala Zaeed or Morinth. Sure Leng did some outright evil things in Retribution, but look at how evil RenShep can be in ME2: letting refinery workers burn to death, letting Morinth kill Samara, goading Jack into killing Aresh (I think you tell her, "you're a killer, it's what you are" or something like that), and tricking that doped up volus into blindly throwing himself on the Sisterhood where he's sure to die. Then in ME3, you can shoot Mordin in the back (a character you should be friends with). How is Leng worse than this? How is he worse than Morinth, a shallow unrepentant sexual predator who tricks you into becoming her next victim (she doesn't genuinely think you're strong enough to survive, she's lying). The reason he doesn't show up any earlier than he does is hinted in Wilson's audio logs at Lazarus Station: He's TIM's new "favorite," and there have been many favorites before him. First, Paul Grayson was the favorite, then he got the red sand addiction and the crisis of conscience, so Miranda became the favorite, but she's nervous about losing that spot to someone else. Leng was not in ME2 because he was hunting Grayson. By the end of ME2, Miranda is either dead or through with Cerberus, which leaves Leng the new favorite. That said, LOTSB was clearly made after Retribution was published, so they could've given him an Easter Egg cameo at SB's intel center. For example, after completing Garrus' loyalty mission, you could've gotten this bit of text in SB's Cerberus dossier:
Audio transcripts:
Illusive Man: Paul, has the asset been recovered.
Paul Grayson: Her name is Gillian.
IM: Gilllian, then. What happened on the mission?
PG: The team's dead. All of them.
IM: Except you.
PG: I'm as good as dead. I'm a ghost now, you'll never find me.
IM: What about your daughter? How long will she be able to survive as a fugitive? A life on the run is no life for her. Bring her in, Paul, and we can talk about what's best for Gilliian.
PG: She's not even with me. She's on a quarian deep space exploration vessel out in the middle of some uncharted system beyond the edge of the galaxy. You'll never find her.
IM: I thought you were loyal to the cause, Paul.
PG: I was. Then I saw the kind of people who shared your vision, and I had a change of heart.
IM: I'm in the business of saving lives, Paul. Human lives. You used to understand that. Now it seems you're suddenly trying to save your soul.
PG: I think my soul is too far gone to save.
Illusive Man: Any leads on Grayson?
Kai Leng: After Daelon, he went to the Citadel and made contact with Fade. After that, the trail goes cold.
IM: If we could acquire Fade's network, it could give us an edge on the Shadow Broker.
KL: There's a contact on Zakera Ward that will lead us right to him.
IM: The arrangements have already been made. Shepard will take care of Fade for us.
KL: Shepard can't be trusted.
IM: Focus on your own mission for now.
For those who say "a sword in this day and age" or "why bring a knife to a gunfight," Drew actually answers the latter question in Retribution. Doesn't use a sword in that one, but there is a reference to a 12 inch blade, could be a model/design issue. For the first, a sword can channel biotic attacks, like a lightning rod. Saren originally was going to have a biotic lighning rod attack, but it was scrapped along with most of Saren's biotic powers (he is clearly not a biotic in Evolution or Revelation, and he only uses biotics against Shepard on Virmire). The Phantoms have tech powers similar to the Geth Hopper, and are paired with snipers to serve as cover busters. Even in today's modern army, there are silent weapons specialists. Play Splinter Cell or rent The Hunted to see how effective they can be. It is a shame you can't claim one of those swords as a trophy though.
Leng does suffer from cutscene overload, but he's one of many. Remember how Jack took down three YMIR mechs in a cutscene, but struggled against ONE during normal gameplay? What they should've done is given Shepard and Leng a confrontation similar to the quicktime knife fight between Leon and Lt. Krauser in RE4. I kept waiting for that epic clash of blades, Leng's ninjato against my Shep's shotgun-bayonet or omni-blade. I got a little bit of that during the final fight (you gotta equip the shotgun before you enter the room to see it), but it devolved into a mirror of the first fight soon enough. Provided you were able to talk Saren down on the Citadel, both of you fights against him were different. The fights with Leng on Thessia and Cronos Station were pretty much the same (originally, the station was going down in flames by this point, so you had environmental factors to deal with in addition to Leng, but this was scrapped).
I've found that on the lowest difficulty setting, my soldier can equip the shotgun bayonet, use adrenaline rush, and can actually duke it out with Leng and the Phantoms. It takes precise timing, and I suspect it's impossible on harder settings. If they're going to have melee based enemies, then there should be some situations thrown in where you must face them on their level. They should've given you SB's omni-shield, combined with the omni-blade, so you could go toe to toe with the melee classes.
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 03:18
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Plot armour.
Blatant "Go and buy the Expanded Universe" pull.
He's a Wapanese Adam Jenson (I never asked for this).
Blatant "Go and buy the Expanded Universe" pull.
He's a Wapanese Adam Jenson (I never asked for this).
#115
Posté 23 avril 2012 - 03:29
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Alistair Theirin wrote...
I think they tried too hard to make him seem 'badass'.
Modifié par Pedrak, 23 avril 2012 - 03:29 .
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 03:29
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I read the books, and I'm indifferent towards Kai Leng in ME3. Aside from the fact that the guy has no personality whatsoever we are never given any incentive to like or hate him, he's just a glorified phantom. At least in ME1 Saren was introduced from the start and over time we discovered his motivations, personality, etc. Kai Leng has none of that and he suffers for it.
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 03:31
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Never read the books.
He looks like Nightwing. Does not fit in the game, he comes across more as one of those DLC guest characters you get from other games.
He looks like Nightwing. Does not fit in the game, he comes across more as one of those DLC guest characters you get from other games.
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 03:31
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Yes, I've read most of the books, and yes I hate him.
Not "hate" hate, though... I just hate how he was portrayed in the game. Bland character development, no interesting dialogue ("No... now it's FUN...."), just an incredibly contrived character from head to toe. In the game, at least.
Deception and ME3 jointly ruined any chance of me liking him as a character.
Plus, stylistically, he's just a lame misfit. Every time I see him grab his katana, I facepalm at how grating he is. Stupid anime influences...
Not "hate" hate, though... I just hate how he was portrayed in the game. Bland character development, no interesting dialogue ("No... now it's FUN...."), just an incredibly contrived character from head to toe. In the game, at least.
Deception and ME3 jointly ruined any chance of me liking him as a character.
Plus, stylistically, he's just a lame misfit. Every time I see him grab his katana, I facepalm at how grating he is. Stupid anime influences...
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 03:51
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Didn't read the books, and he came off as some kind of super-villian out a comic book. Its a mixing of genres that doesn't work. My Shepard is not batman..... having someone akin to The Joker in a bad comic book costume show up was laughable.
So no... I didn't like him for that reason.
So no... I didn't like him for that reason.
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 04:00
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not hating this guy
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 04:20
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I thought the use of a katana (Kai or phantoms or whomever) seemed rather dumb in a sci-fi setting. In the future you should have something futuristic...like an electric sword....or maybe a saber ...made of light...we could call it a lightsaber... By George, I think I'm on to something...
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 04:36
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I didn't hate him, I just thought when I saw him in the game that Mass Effect 3 was taking up a parody of Robocop 3.
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 05:01
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He's trying so hard, he's basically Horatio Caine with a katana.
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 05:16
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I wanted him as a Squadmate.
Seriously.
Seriously.
#125
Posté 23 avril 2012 - 05:25
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LookingGlass93 wrote...
I never got why Kai Leng was working for Cerberus in the first place.
Tela Vasir - helping out the Shadow Broker because she believes having the Broker as a resource is important.
Saren - indoctrinated, wants a "union of flesh and steel", thinks "slavery is preferable to extinction".
Even Balak - hates the Alliance for standing in the way of the batarians.
The only motivations we get for Kai Leng are combat taunts where he says "always pick the winning side" and "we evolve or we die". That's it. That's his motivation as presented in the game.
It's been a very long time since I read ME: Retribution so there is a good chance that I could have some of this wrong but his basic backstory is that he is very xenophobic, he was high ranking Alliance soldier but somewhere along the lines I think he started killing aliens for fun/sport, the Alliance found out, kicked him out and Cerebus found him. There really isn't much else to him.
