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[sevach]

Kinda lame, no hate, simply not important enough for hatred.
But nowhere near good enough to make the "love to hate" class of villains.

No books.

[Ice Cold J]

I will say that I found him a disappointment.

He's the 3rd (or 4th) grad of the N7 Program we meet, and he seems rather lackluster in combat. Makes me wonder...

[Squallypo]

kai leng was a waste of time in the game , period.
yes i dont like him he was the worst of "nemesis" that shepard could have got for the last game.

[Soirreb]

I think he's a very poorly-implemented one-dimensional Gary Stu with plot armor. "Wait, Kai Leng is near! Time to prevent the player from being able to act and force Shepard into being an incompetent fool so we can try to trick the audience into thinking Kai Leng is a badass!" "Wait, we're going to allow the player to fight Kai on Thessia? Better give him plot armor, prevent the player from ever targeting or destroying his gunship support, and have a cut scene afterward showing him easily bypassing Shepard by exposing laughably impossible architecture through destruction! Don't worry about explaining how Kai Leng and his gunship can land and hide on Thessia despite an ongoing Reaper invasion, since we won't bother explaining any other back story for Kai." "Ok, we'll finally let the players kill Kai, but we want another cut scene at the end with another dose of incompetence for Shepard & squad so Shepard can use the omni-blade."

Any time a game's IP /story/game world begins existence first with a game, it is my biggest pet peeve when anything in a game plot hinges or depends on something introduced or explained in some other media and given little to no coverage in the games. I play Mass Effect for the story, not so I can feel obligated to spend more money on a book just so I can puzzle out why the hell this thing happened despite all logic or why suddenly this character is central to the plot (Warcraft, this includes you).

Modifié par Soirreb, 23 avril 2012 - 06:10 .

[Euno17]

 To the OP - I dion't hate the character. 

What a horrible arc. Seriously - what a crappy arc. The way he magically stops you at every turn because Bioware wanted him to stop you . . . that is what pisses me off. Not so much that he wins but HOW he wins. 

Which by the way, reading the books is ill-relevant (but just sicne you asked - I didn't read them). These games are not based off of books ergo we shouldn't have to read one to understand the pov of a character (or to understand his plot.)  

[ChaosOverlord X]

From what i'm hearing, it seems Kai Leng should've stuck to the novels, as his implementation into ME3 was just lackluster.

IMO i think they just slapped him in just to make Cerberus look alittle more bada**

[Eastwood. Clint. Eastwood]

Did not read the books.

But in the game he is an idiot bringing knives to a gunfight and has to be protected by heavy plot armor. Thus the fights against him rather annoying. BW should have restricted him to cut-scenes.

[Homey C-Dawg]

He should have stayed in the books. He was an awful antagonist in ME3 and anyone who didn't read the books had no connection whatsoever to him, though Bioware treated him as though we were suppose to.

[Rosinante]

I don't hate him. I actually feel sorry for him...nobody takes him seriously. Even TIM sees him as an amusing toy-of-the-moment.

[xsdob]

Read the books, loved the character, wish he had more lines and more of an impact.

[xsdob]

Eastwood. Clint. Eastwood wrote...

Did not read the books.

But in the game he is an idiot bringing knives to a gunfight and has to be protected by heavy plot armor. Thus the fights against him rather annoying. BW should have restricted him to cut-scenes.

Well he did kill 5 elite turian commandos in one minute in civilian clothes and with a standard issue talon combat knife when they attacked the cerberus facility where they were keeping the reaper/human hybrid that used to be paul grayson. If he's more deadly with a knife than most other people would be with a gun, than I see no problem here. Also the illusive man used to wear liberator armor.

Drew Karpyshyn, golden idol who can do no wrong by most mass effect fans, wrote all of that.

[RebelGeth963]

Raizo wrote...

LookingGlass93 wrote...

I never got why Kai Leng was working for Cerberus in the first place.


Tela Vasir - helping out the Shadow Broker because she believes having the Broker as a resource is important.

Saren - indoctrinated, wants a "union of flesh and steel", thinks "slavery is preferable to extinction".

Even Balak - hates the Alliance for standing in the way of the batarians.


The only motivations we get for Kai Leng are combat taunts where he says "always pick the winning side" and "we evolve or we die". That's it. That's his motivation as presented in the game.

It's been a very long time since I read ME: Retribution so there is a good chance that I could have some of this wrong but his basic backstory is that he is very xenophobic, he was high ranking Alliance soldier but somewhere along the lines I think he started killing aliens for fun/sport, the Alliance found out, kicked him out and Cerebus found him. There really isn't much else to him.

Actually this is wrong.

He was born in 2156, lied about his age to join the Alliance at 16, and actually had a fairly heroic record before the Blitz (Anderson's dossier explains most of that). Then he got drunk and killed a krogan in a bar fight with his service blade, and the Alliance decided to make an example of him (novel makes it seem more like a Nic Cage at the beginning of Con Air type situation). He got charged with first degree murder (even though it was probably really second degree) and sentenced to 20 years in prison. This intensified his xenophobia, anger, and resentment. After spending 8 years in prison, Cerberus liberated him, and he subsequently joined them.

It should note that in Retribution, while loyal to TIM,  this loyalty was within reason, he did have a healthy sense of self-preservation, and it pretty clearly states that If he had his druthers, he would have killed Grayson with a well placed sniper shot, poison, or paying some local street toughs to kill him. And he made use of whatever weapons were available to him, be it blades, guns, or crowbars.

Modifié par RebelGeth963, 23 avril 2012 - 07:48 .

[Raizo]

RebelGeth963 wrote...

Raizo wrote...

LookingGlass93 wrote...

I never got why Kai Leng was working for Cerberus in the first place.


Tela Vasir - helping out the Shadow Broker because she believes having the Broker as a resource is important.

Saren - indoctrinated, wants a "union of flesh and steel", thinks "slavery is preferable to extinction".

Even Balak - hates the Alliance for standing in the way of the batarians.


The only motivations we get for Kai Leng are combat taunts where he says "always pick the winning side" and "we evolve or we die". That's it. That's his motivation as presented in the game.

It's been a very long time since I read ME: Retribution so there is a good chance that I could have some of this wrong but his basic backstory is that he is very xenophobic, he was high ranking Alliance soldier but somewhere along the lines I think he started killing aliens for fun/sport, the Alliance found out, kicked him out and Cerebus found him. There really isn't much else to him.

Actually this is wrong.

He was born in 2156, lied about his age to join the Alliance at 16, and actually had a fairly heroic record before the Blitz (Anderson's dossier explains most of that). Then he got drunk and killed a krogan in a bar fight with his service blade, and the Alliance decided to make an example of him (novel makes it seem more like a Nic Cage at the beginning of Con Air type situation). He got charged with first degree murder (even though it was probably really second degree) and sentenced to 20 years in prison. This intensified his xenophobia, anger, and resentment. After spending 8 years in prison, Cerberus liberated him, and he subsequently joined them.

It should note that in Retribution, while loyal to TIM,  this loyalty was within reason, he did have a healthy sense of self-preservation, and it pretty clearly states that If he had his druthers, he would have killed Grayson with a well placed sniper shot, poison, or paying some local street toughs to kill him. And he made use of whatever weapons were available to him, be it blades, guns, or crowbars.

Fair enough, I had a feeling I could not remember the full story. Still from reading ME: Retribution I got the impression that only note worthy piece of backstory was that he was a xenophobe.

[Link Ashland 614]

I hated him in a good way: He's the kind of villain that you hate when he appears, and that makes you like him.
Know what I mean?

[sevach]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...
 Bioware treated him as though we were suppose to.

That was a big problem...

[redplague]

Hey I just had a thought...

Is Kai Leng related to Stanley Woo?

[Sylvianus]

If someone can tell me what's the goal and motivations of Kai leng in M3,I would be happy.

[Raizo]

Sylvianus wrote...

If someone can tell me what's the goal and motivations of Kai leng in M3,I would be happy.

Aside from the fact that he looks like a cross between Nightwing and Raidan the biggest dissappointment with Kai Leng is the fact that Bioware did not feel any need to explain who he is and flesh out and develop his charcter just because he was in 2 of the ME novels, they just assumed that everyone would know he was and that everyone would be impressed.

[Jog0907]

Sylvianus wrote...

If someone can tell me what's the goal and motivations of Kai leng in M3,I would be happy.

he wants daddy TIM to love him the way he loved Shep, I mean the recordings in the cerberus base had a hint of you're a dissapointment I prefer Shepard.

KL> why dont you love me daddy TIM!

TIM> shut up, shep is better than you

Modifié par Jog0907, 23 avril 2012 - 08:26 .

[Ice Cold J]

Sylvianus wrote...

If someone can tell me what's the goal and motivations of Kai leng in M3,I would be happy.

His "apparent" goal: To serve Cerebus and TIM.
His REAL goal: To prove he's better than Shepard, which isn't gonna happen. It's like when Clyde Drexler tried to outplay Michael Jordan back in the 90's.

[TheMightyG00sh]

In the books he's an awesome badass. In the game he's a half naked canadian midget addicted to meth...

[Halfdan The Menace]

Han Shot First wrote...

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

He can kill and mutilate Thane multiple times but he will never take meh cereal!!

"This is for my corn flakes, you son-of-a-b1tch!"

Whoa... whoa..; even worse.  He stole meh Skin Flakes!

[GreyWardenNathan]

The email was also really cringeworthy and poorly done, it was like a child wrote it

[MisterJB]

Ice Cold J wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

If someone can tell me what's the goal and motivations of Kai leng in M3,I would be happy.

His "apparent" goal: To serve Cerebus and TIM.
His REAL goal: To prove he's better than Shepard, which isn't gonna happen. It's like when Clyde Drexler tried to outplay Michael Jordan back in the 90's.

Which is a complete turn around from "Retribution" where it was established that Leng believed in the cause of Cerberus; that is, the protection of humanity; along with the "End justify the means" mentality while, at the same time, being quite aware that TIM would have no reservations in ordering his execution if he displeases him in any way.