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[Repearized Miranda]

Only met him in game, but from what I gathered from the "Who should be TIM's go to in ME3, then again, The Reapers were more screwed up then he was. It's a plus for him though because at least he didn't suffer what Harbinger did (build up).

In short, I felt indifferent towards him and I think my Shepard did, too. (Of corse, given what he did to Thane) He could've been written better -- maybe utilized is a better term

[DannieCraft]

I thought Kai Leng was a stiff and boring character in ME3. It felt like he was supposed to be cool, but failed in all possible ways. The outfit, the swords, the immediate obedience to TIM... and then, it also felt like he was supposed to be an important character to the series, but he didn't really contribute to anything to the story of ME3. He's there to be a thorn in the side of Shepard, that's all. He came from thin air. I was so happy when I got to finish him off.

I don't hate him, but I like him either. Unfortunately, I have not been reading the books. Perhaps my thoughts about him would have been different then (but only perhaps).

[DeathScepter]

tractrpl wrote...

DeathScepter wrote...

Meaningless angry outburst.

You know, that was the one thing that bugged me about him. He has that Hong Kong villain thing right but his sword and fight style is wrong.

ME3 Kai Leng used a lot of bad asian sterotypes.   Miranda, Kasumi Goto and Legion has the most incommon with the Ninja archtype.

Miranda=Intelligence gathering

Kasumi=stealth

Legion=Intelligence gathering.

No matter the role, the Ninja archtype values Stealth and Intelligence gathering a great deal. Kai Leng acted more like a Samurai than anything.  Intensely loyal to his master and compentant 

[ToaOrka]

I hate him for what he did to a certain friend of mine on the citadel. Anybody who does that to any of my friends is going to be hated no matter what they are or do afterwards, or if they're just "an awesomely written character that just does bad things".

[Matchy Pointy]

Didnt read the books, didnt like him because he is so incredibly lame.

[Cyberfrog81]

Familiar with the books (not the latest one). I don't "hate" (such an overused term) Leng.

In ME3 I enjoyed his introduction (despite what happens), but beyond that... it's unfortunate that he becomes less and less cool, less and less interesting.

[turian councilor Knockout]

Because after the comics i expected someone who could kick you through buildings and punch straight through you and now he gets his ass handed to him in more or less every fight that's why.

Modifié par turian councilor Knockout, 24 avril 2012 - 11:39 .

[Little Queen]

Well I never read the books so i cant say how his character is in there, but from what i can say from the game is that Kai Leng is super lame....

[Scam_poo]

I hate him because he's like... awkward. The way he's dressed, the way he fights (wow, jumping around in circles swaying some kind of middle-age sword, what the hell). He just didn't seem to fit at all into the Mass Effect universe.

[Aleru]

i hate him.
I didnt read the books.
But in the game, he was a .... very very very bad character. A Space Cyborg Ninja? who uses a sword in a age that everyone else uses firearms? C'mon.... they surely needed some Indiana Jones like cutscene.

Kai Leng introducing himself... Shepard renegade interrupt, charge his pistol and kills him. That would have been epic.

[ThatGamerWithSouvlaki285]

Never thought of Kei leng as an arch enemy, thats TIM's job. I saw Kei as the head henchmen type you get in cliche Bondesque spy stories. In matter of fact the whole shepard/TIm and cerbures interaction is not all that different to the secret agent/evil organisation bit e.g. James Bond and Blofeld/SPECTRE.... Just gor the image of TIM, wearing a khaki  Chinese tunic suit sitting in a large chair stroking a white fur cat saying:
"Good evening Mr Shepard"

Modifié par steph285, 24 avril 2012 - 01:16 .

[arc_gabriel_]

His appearance was quite interesting in ME3 and they did a hell of a job with the scenes let alone the battle in Cerberus Headquarters was just 'wow' to put away my guns and go all out fist fight with Kei was something. I never saw this coming into the game from a standing but he did a hell of a job in the comics it's never the less he was a problem.

[rolson00]

Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

Arrogant, cowardly and sneaky- right up until the end he crows that he's better than you.
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this and he looked like a japanise animie super villian i didnt read the book but i reseacred it and read bits of him somehow hated him even more

[Team Value]

I didn't really mind Leng all that much (but I can certainly understand why people would). I kind of got the feeling that we weren't really supposed to take him all that seriously. He's dangerous, but not really any real threat to Shepard (at least that's how my Shepard thought of him).

What I did hate were the crappy fights you had with him. I don't understand why game developers have such a difficult time with these "villain has to win this time" battles. Just make the villain too difficult to beat and let the player last as long as they can. The Witcher 2 did a pretty good job of this (the Kingslayer was shockingly hard during your first encounter and--if I remember correctly--the cutscene came in and he thrashed you after you got his health down to a certain point). But the "I'm putting up a shield while you deal with my goons" approach...uggh.

[Tirigon]

Nope, but no book could make me like a space ninja, not even if it was written by J. R.R Tolkien co-authored by Robert Jordan, Terry Pratchett and George R R Martin.

[Bomma72]

RebelGeth963 wrote...

Bomma72 wrote...

Compare Kai Leng to Vasir, or Shadow Broker.

Both fights were epic.

Kai Leng = General Grevious

Vasir was a lightweight. Five minutes after becoming your enemy, she was dusted.  If you combine ME: Redemption and ME2 together, then SB is kindof a villain you can latch on to, but they could have (and SHOULD have) had Tazzik appear in ME2 in a Calo Nord capacity.

I ment more from a gameplay aspect.

[Lee T]

I read the books (except Deception) and I really didn't like the way the character was portrayed in the game, especially gameplaywise. The repeated plot armor fight brought nothing to the game and the last fight as a wave based boss fight was completely uninteresting.

[Rustedness]

I read the books. He was an absolute bastard, but he also had this unstoppable sort of feel to him, he'd get the job done through sheer determination. In the game he got things done by throwing useless mooks at you and activating his uber-shield.

In short, I didn't hate him, I hated the fact that Bioware kept putting me in positions whereby I should have been able to paste this guy against the ceiling. Multiple times. He didn't feel like a badarse, he felt like a cheat. Irritating.

[knightnblu]

Read the books and hated him in the game. In the books he was a far more formidable threat. In the game, he was far less of a threat. In the books he is resourceful, patient, and smart with a wild edge that he had to keep in check. In ME3 he was just...bland. For example, when he jumped onto my skycar I would have just inverted it or hit the brakes really hard and been done with him. I also could have tossed a grenade into the elevator with him before the doors closed or I at least would have sprayed it with weapons fire at a minimum. Bullets do go through things like elevator doors you know. But that's just me.

[spirosz]

I read the books and he was more fleshed out and interesting, then the game came and ruined it for me, personally - too much flash, not enough badass. Come on, Thane is practically coughing blood on his ass while they were fighting and still managed to kick his ass.

[Ice Cold J]

MisterJB wrote...

Ice Cold J wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

If someone can tell me what's the goal and motivations of Kai leng in M3,I would be happy.

His "apparent" goal: To serve Cerebus and TIM.
His REAL goal: To prove he's better than Shepard, which isn't gonna happen. It's like when Clyde Drexler tried to outplay Michael Jordan back in the 90's.

Which is a complete turn around from "Retribution" where it was established that Leng believed in the cause of Cerberus; that is, the protection of humanity; along with the "End justify the means" mentality while, at the same time, being quite aware that TIM would have no reservations in ordering his execution if he displeases him in any way.

I haven't read Retribution yet. Have it, but haven't read it.

RebelGeth963 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Which is a complete turn around from "Retribution" where it was established that Leng believed in the cause of Cerberus; that is, the protection of humanity; along with the "End justify the means" mentality while, at the same time, being quite aware that TIM would have no reservations in ordering his execution if he displeases him in any way.

This. Retribution makes you think that when Leng does cross paths with Shep, he's going to be a Faith or a Spike to Shepard's Buffy. Instead, we get a Bond henchman type character, which is fine, but the Bond movies never gave you the impression that the henchman was more of a nemesis for Bond than the main villain was.

Retribution gave no indication on how he feels about Shepard. One mission where he actually set an intelligent trap for Shepard and co could've helped things immensly. That said, Shepard was long overdue for a dose of humble pie, if you want to live in a "no man can beat the hero" dreamworld, then that means at least part of you is an egocentric jackass.

I agree in that mission was well-written. Shep has suffered "setbacks" before, but not failure. Interesting how it played out after that.

RebelGeth963 wrote...

Bomma72 wrote...

Compare Kai Leng to Vasir, or Shadow Broker.

Both fights were epic.

Kai Leng = General Grevious

Vasir was a lightweight. Five minutes after becoming your enemy, she was dusted.  If you combine ME: Redemption and ME2 together, then SB is kindof a villain you can latch on to, but they could have (and SHOULD have) had Tazzik appear in ME2 in a Calo Nord capacity.

1. I actually thought the fight with Vasir was more difficult. Then again, I've only fought Leng on "normal," so I dunno.
2. I agree that Tazzik should have been in LotSB. But, he is mentioned in ME3 if you played LotSB.

[Darman]

I'm also suprised by the hate he recieves. Must come from all the Gamers that didn't read the books. I personally always liked him, he was my favorite character throughout the novels. An incredible guy, surviving situations noone else would (except Shepard), striking with precision and always loyal to, in my eyes, one of the best ME characters: TIM. (before indoc). But thats another point, lets come back to Kai Leng.
I must admit that I was happy about the ending of "Deception". I think especially the third book should create hate for him, but for me - it did exactly the opposite.

But its true that the game ruined him at all. That was at least clear since I saw him, with all that tech and implants on him, having long hair - actually very inefficient and unlogical haircut for an assassin who often is involved in close combat. They also didn't insert his character as it was outlined in the books. He was basically a typacial, sadist villian in the game.

Modifié par Darman, 24 avril 2012 - 03:50 .

[DadeLeviathan]

Kai Leng was a badly written villain in the books, and he's an ever worse character in the game. I didn't hate him in the books, as I just read them to get plot points. At least he had some charm in the books. His charm was mostly on the "Rawr. I be bad guy now, see? I bad guy? LOOK AT ME DO BAD GUY STUFF!"

I hated him in ME3 because it's a horrible character. His dialogue is typical bad villain "I are evil," cheese, and his boss fights are nothing short of forced.

I would like whichever designer thought up the ingenious idea of the gunship fight on Thessia to please smack themselves in the forehead a few times for me, while repeating to themselves, "THERE IS A REASON FIGHTS LIKE THAT ARE CONSIDERED BAD DESIGN!" And then I would like them to take a deep breath and never design a sequence so horribly immersion-breaking ever again. 

TL;DR: Kai Leng is horribly written and a one-dimensional character with about as much characterization as a dry biscuit. 

Modifié par DadeLeviathan, 24 avril 2012 - 05:02 .

[Repearized Miranda]

^ Yeah, again, I'm indifferent, but the cutscenes got way more airtime then he did. Ironically, the first fight saw a short fight with a long cutscene (Thessia); however, the opposite happened. (Cronos).

I think they had no idea what to do with him.