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[Bat32391]

My favorite thing about Kai Leng was I was able to omni-shank him

[The Sarendoctrinator]

After reading Retribution, I liked Kai Leng enough for him to earn a spot among my top five favorite Mass Effect characters. His personality is completely different in Deception, so I don't look at that as anything more than comic relief. I liked him in ME3 as well, but it was surprising how the game doesn't give Shepard (or the player) much chance to get to know him.

I know all about Kai Leng because I read the novels, watched pre-release videos and bought the art book. If not for the art book and videos, even after reading Retribution, I never would have guessed that was Kai Leng when he appeared in the game. Well, I guess the subtitles would have given it away. But I can understand how he seems to come out of nowhere for anyone who hasn't read the novels.

[4ut0b4hn5child27]

DeathScepter wrote...

4ut0b4hn5child27 wrote...

I suspect Bioware making ninja like phantom Exist in ME Universe because want to appealing Japanese audience.

I saw many (not all) japanese love main characters in anime or video game charging in close combat with blade weapon such as Big sword or smal with overwhelming force of spirit or willpower and some of them often shout first before reach the enemy.

But the Way Bioware making them exist is not really the foolish way.

You can see the prove of phantom being one of the most annoying enemy in MP, having a power absorbs, handblast and cloacking device to replenish her biotic and health self.

If Reapers technology as the medium, everything is possible in ME Universe. Let's just say phantom is the Shock troopers of cerberus.

last time i saw, Japanese Modern Samurai really can cut smallest bullet in two, i saw the video show but i forgot the name.

Even Kai Leng has Sword beam ability right? feels like anime already (In Hybrid ways).

And with the Reaper enhancement technology and his Ethnic Chinese, it's obvious he prefers kill with close combat rather than gun much more like traditional  Ninja Also Ninja originally from chinese and in Chinese, Ninja itself called Assassins so i have no reason to deny it.

he also have Shield Sphere itself in hand as shield.

for short He is already Chinese plus he is Assassins, rather than use sniper rifle as the modern assassins do, why the heck not try out the Reaper technology at full potential by using close combat.

yeah it foolish, but more silent and without a trace. heck even until we finished the game, we still don't know the hand blast weapon official name right.???

I hope in future Bioware can Make this OP hand blast weapon as SP DLC i even wanna to try this out.

Also shepard Shouting in every melee sequences feels like anime already LOL.

I hate it how people associated Ninja with China when Ninjas developed concurrentingly with the Samurai within Japan. 

The only thing that is Chinese related with the Ninja and the Samurai is Gyokko Ryu. Gyokko Ryu is a Japanese school that is based on Chinese martial arts princples. 

Sidenote: All cultures has their own verison of the assassin regardless of relations.

I means in China they're never called ninja for clear state. But Assassins

And Kai Leng is just like Chinese Assassins.

But now in centuries our cultrue mixed so Ninja and Assassins like the Same, But Ninja is lot more variety.

and  we have phantom with the sword wield reverse and also that stance clearly like Ninja.

Then Kai leng is Chinese (half) and in Chinese to kill people they use a lot variety of weapon, BUT BIoware made it Hybrid

SO i just called him Ninja/Assassin.

[Gogzilla]

Kai Leng is wasted potential.

I was on the edge of my seat when i saw him on the citadel.
He was one of the characters i was looking forward to meet.

But his character is so bland,

I personally want his character to be more fleshed out and his motivations and reasons for doing any of what he did in Me3 explained.

I felt a pang of regret with what happened to TIM , i liked his characters and i knew why he did what he did.

Kai Leng is just .... a jerk, he is completely one dimensional

[Annie_Dear]

simfamSP wrote...

He was a sudden appearence. Yet I think BioWare needed that physical embodiment of a 'leader' for Cerberus. Much like the Witch King was for Mordor. But his introduction is so sudden that his character just seems out of place.

I don't think that the whole ninja thing made people angry. Though people will complain about it. I think it was more about the time given to feel 'used' to him. Besides, you can't just bring in a character that has that much effect on the story LIKE THAT.

It's bad, and especially unfair to those who didn't read the books.

I agree with you.

[RaggieRags]

Annie_Dear wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

He was a sudden appearence. Yet I think BioWare needed that physical embodiment of a 'leader' for Cerberus. Much like the Witch King was for Mordor. But his introduction is so sudden that his character just seems out of place.

I don't think that the whole ninja thing made people angry. Though people will complain about it. I think it was more about the time given to feel 'used' to him. Besides, you can't just bring in a character that has that much effect on the story LIKE THAT.

It's bad, and especially unfair to those who didn't read the books.

I agree with you.

Yes. especially since the book was so bad that a lot of people skipped it (and for a good reason too).

Same thing with killing a character on Twitter. Most ME players don't even follow it. I like it how the books, comics etc. can deepen the world and characters, but the games should stand on their own.

Modifié par RaggieRags, 26 avril 2012 - 07:44 .

[MakeMineMako]

In the novels, he was okay as a 'cloak and dagger' villain.

In ME3, he was nothing more than a Space Weeaboo. I guess The Illusive Man watched too much anime as a kid.

[Darth Malice113]

  My problem with him is that I thought he was supposed to be an elite assasin.

Then he sends you that juvenile email after Thessia. Proving himself to be quite lame.

I expected more from Cerberus's top assasin than something you'd see from a spoiled 14 year old. If he was a true badass, he wouldn't care what Shepard thought about him.

Very lame.

[ZombieGambit]

There wasn't really enough background on him to really get to know him, plus he was kind of out of place as the "arch-nemesis" in a game where you're fighting enormous super-intelligent robots that can control your mind.

The whole thing between him and Shepard was like, "Gimme your lunch money, kid! I'm bigger and better than you!"

[RukiaKuchki]

I always try to be positive to ME3, but I just didn't like the addition of KL at all. His addition just felt un-necessary.

[sevach]

I disliked him from the onset, mainly because of the "cutscene incompetency" he induces in everyone, doesn't make him cool, just makes every scene he's in lame.

Citadel, Thane is engaging him and all i can think is "why am i just watching this? Oh great... Thane is about to die " and "how incompetent is Shepard?" on the car.

Then comes his recharging shields on Thessia and his pathetic death scene, you mean to tell me nobody hears him as he slowly walks to Shepard?

Again, those things don't make him cool, just very lame and annoying scenes...

[Avalon Aurora]

Kai Leng as a character isn't quite the issue, although that isn't stellar either. It is the way he was implemented in gameplay and narrative that made me rage.

The fact that Shepard and Squadmates become stupid every time he appears until the Cerberus base. His lol-invincible-flashlight-gunship hax on Thessia. Shepard, even biotic versions, getting stuck clinging onto the rubble (particularly Vanguards, why can't they charge out?), the mountains of stupid that was jumping onto your shuttle and stabbing it with a sword and Shep only shooting him with a handgun rather than slamming him into one of those bridges or unloading a shotgun in his face. The fact that they seem to have removed heavy weapons from the standard carry specifically so that you can't use them on Kai Leng. His ridiculous posturing and general fail as an assassin. The way you keep on waiting an letting him do stuff in order to do stupid **** like talk to TIM on Thessia, especially after TIM pulled that distraction trick on Mars. The fact that squadmates enter stupid fail mode in all cutscenes with him.

I don't mind that Thane took him down even half-dead. That was more about how badass Thane was, but Kai Leng was loads of fail in other ways tactically and strategically for completing his missions and Shepard never gets to take advantage of it, because Shep and squadmates spontaneously forget all their abilities, become less accurate with their minimized gun sets (sometimes with weapons they didn't carry in the first place...), so Leng can get loony ninja dances and showy stuff on screen that doesn't help his cause, and taunt Shepard, who inexplicably doesn't respond by blowing up that ass out of cover with heavy weapons or powerful abilities or shotguns or anything.

Really Bioware?

And that e-mail... and Shepard's forced reactions...

[TweedleDee66]

This may contain spoilers so don’t read it if you don’t want to risk it.

-First I never read the books he was in.

-Secondly I hated him in the game.

-Why?
In the game he comes off as a cheesy cheap shot boss you run into that you really don’t even know anything about let alone care about even as a villain. He needs to even have back up to attack you, a lot of back up. After the first encounter with him I was like “Oh its this looser again. Wonder if he brought another army with him again or decided to actually be clever.”

Seriously, that Eva Core we ran into on Mars was more a villain than this guy. For a N-7 ranked solder he sucks.

Maybe if he was more like Darth Maul were he was a real threat and you saw him more behind the scenes then maybe I could like him. Hey, Maul took on 2 jedi alone, this twit needs a small army to fight you and your two lesser skilled (than he is, a N-7 solder remember) squad mates. Or if he did something more devious than what he does in the game to lure you into a trap or something.

He may have been something in the books, but in ME3 he, just like a lot of the game was half assed in development and concept. I’ll never know how he may be in the books either, because I have no interest in them at all especially after how this dud of a game ended.

[DnVill]

Read the books except for Deception.

I never considered him as in par with Shepard. Always figured Miranda, Jacob or even Grayson could easily take care of him. I don't get why TIM compared him with Shepard when Anderson could have easily killed him.

He's supposed to be a sneaky bastard but in the game he's always showing himself before making the kill like a cliche bond villain who talks first to the hero first before killing him.

Don't even get me started about his twirling maneuvers.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

RaggieRags wrote...

Yes. especially since the book was so bad that a lot of people skipped it (and for a good reason too).

That's Deception. They definitely messed up his character there, even though the resulting cereal jokes were hilarious.

Kai Leng first appeared in Retribution, which has the same good quality as the first two novels and the same author. This would be the best representation of his character, for anyone who's interested.

[Eyeofanger]

I never read the mass effect books. I don't hate Kai Leng. It was nice to see a human antagonist for shepard instead of a turian or the collectors

[Boombox]

He should have been in ME2, maybe just a cutscene or something showing he exists, maybe even start a bit of a rivalry between him and Shepard. In ME3 he just sort of appears and it's all kind of pointless to be honest..

[Someone With Mass]

He's like a seven year old on a sugar rush compared to his character in the books, where he was at least respectable. Even if he was a bit of a Mary Sue at times.

Oh, and he's as threatening as Team Rocket, since his best strategy is to run away and hide behind his minions.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 26 avril 2012 - 11:48 .

[DnVill]

Avalon Aurora wrote...


And that e-mail... and Shepard's forced reactions...

hahahhaha yeah that email was lol. 


I was like.."Oh please... go home and eat your cereal boy". 

[tanarri23]

I didn't hate him and I haven't read the books he appears in, but in the game alone he came across as just another enemy to kill, demonstrating no depth or personality that'd shift my opinion of him in whatever direction. He looked kind of cool and was a moderately fun boss fight, but that's about it.

[Alpr]

Random guy no one cares about, dies before I give a ****. Imagine if every video game had a book series to go along with it and if you didn't read the books, you'd be wondering what the hell was going on.

Yeah, that's Kai Leng. Oh, and...

[Blastback]

It comes down to his narmtasticness in Deception, and poor execution in ME3. Honestly, giving Shepard a dark Cerberus foil was a cool idea. But in order to work, he either needed to be introduced much earlier in the main games, or should have been given a whole lot more screen time in 3. At the very least he should have had a major role in an ME2 DLC.

And again, being a cereal killer doesn't help him.

[Raptr569]

He is a great character in the books but in the game he doesn't really have much resemblance to the guy I was reading about.

[wright1978]

Wouldn't say i hated him. Would have preferred a different look without the silly mask.

[Mark Mays]

I absolutely hated him. It seems inconceivable that BW was using him to "appeal to a Japanese audience" as there is f***all Japanese about him. Japanese people find our obsession with Ninjas funny. That Nightwing costume is just lame. He would be fine for a juvenile comic book, and were I 16 yrs old I might feel differently about him. Maybe EA/BW can sell the rights to whomever is producing the next GI Joe movie. He'd be perfect for that.

I did not read the books.