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[Elhanan]

I believe in ghosts, demons, giants, and magic; simply do not believe they are active or extant on Earth today. We have enough hate and evil to go around as is, and are in no need of the additional help.

[Daennikus]

Elhanan wrote...

I believe in ghosts, demons, giants, and magic; simply do not believe they are active or extant on Earth today. We have enough hate and evil to go around as is, and are in no need of the additional help.

You bring up an interesting perspective: man-made evil, as compared to superstitious belief that evil is caused by immaterial beings. 

There's a number of sects around the world that use demonism and ancient alien myths to justify the abduction, killing and mollestation of young children. These people are under serious investigation thankfully. And because of extremes of this kind, superstition will always be discouraged. Not because everyone is potentially a deviant sex offender, it's because you don't know who that 1% of actual perverts are before they get the opportunity to act out. You know it only when it's too late.

So yeah, be careful with that stuff.

Modifié par Daennikus, 29 avril 2012 - 07:17 .

[android654]

Elhanan wrote...

I believe in ghosts, demons, giants, and magic; simply do not believe they are active or extant on Earth today. We have enough hate and evil to go around as is, and are in no need of the additional help.

With the exception of gigantism, which is a real genetic disorder that many people had and still have, what is your evidence for the rest? It'd very dangerous to believe things just because.

[Chromie]

Elhanan wrote...

I believe in ghosts, demons, giants, and magic; simply do not believe they are active or extant on Earth today. We have enough hate and evil to go around as is, and are in no need of the additional help.

Lol holy hell Elhanan. 

[eroeru]

Imperial Sentinel Arian wrote...

Alas.. I don't have any degree in philosophy. So call me a freelancer philosopher.

Those with a degree in philosophy tend to avoid religion.

As to neoplatonism, it's not really a very sound view (nor is it philosophy - in a modern, strict sense). Sure it's intriguing, but the question remains: from what have you derived your (similar) world-view?

(btw, I do agree that science as it is does not have any tools to deal with such topics as free will - they've predefined their program as to giving only descriptive-empirical and/or determinist claims, and narrowed down the whole project with this - I would say, too much so)

Modifié par eroeru, 30 avril 2012 - 01:08 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

android654 wrote...
Your ignorance is bewildering. Fine, if you want to believe in magic without a logical explanation for it's existence, go ahead. However, omnipotence is useless without a god, so where is the proof for one of those?

Ignorance? Far from it.

You don't "explain" God. God being omnipotent..for all intense and purposes it is magic, sicne it defies our understanding and logic.

[android654]

So, you have zero evidence, no way to rationalize your claim and people should think you're right simply because? Yeah that's ignorance on an arrogant level. You've successfully argued that you've got no way of explaining how that would work, but it would work because it's magic? If I was your doctor , I'd be writing you a phone book-thick stack of prescriptions.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Ya know, thread like this devolve into flame-war because of people like you. Always so fast to go on an insult spree and question the others intelligence.

For your information, I got an IQ of 150 and graduated a technical college of computer engineering. I had advanced physics classes as an extra because I am fascinated with it. I'm not speakign out of ignorance or lack of understanding.

But I don't expect you to be able to accept that. I don't have hard, reproducable evidence. I don't need to have them. I have more than enough evidence that satisfies ME. Wether you think I'm right or wrong is irrelevant.

This thread asks the question "do you belive".. it doens't ask you to prove it to others or to force your oppinion on them.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 02 mai 2012 - 12:11 .

[Eternal Phoenix]

 

[android654]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Ya know, thread like this devolve into flame-war because of people like you. Always so fast to go on an insult spree and question the others intelligence.

For your information, I got an IQ of 150 and graduated a technical college of computer engineering. I had advanced physics classes as an extra because I am fascinated with it. I'm not speakign out of ignorance or lack of understanding.

But I don't expect you to be able to accept that. I don't have hard, reproducable evidence. I don't need to have them. I have more than enough evidence that satisfies ME. Wether you think I'm right or wrong is irrelevant.

This thread asks the question "do you belive".. it doens't ask you to prove it to others or to force your oppinion on them.

You know what type of people base beliefs on things they can not begin to fathom? Crazy people. It's an actualy symptom of many psychological disorders. Anyone with common sense would need a situation to make sense in order for them to buy into it. I asked you to lay something, anything in defense of your position and you're empty handed.

Also, bragging about your IQ is like bragging about your dick. If you have to say it out loud, it probably isn't true.

[RedArmyShogun]

Andriod stop being an ass. If the man has faith in something let him. Its not like he's starping a bomb to his chest or making fun of the some down right idiotic crap you think will happen in the future. You have such a huge superiority complex problem, that its not even funny anymore.

Hell your not even debating anymore, just making fun of him. But thats what you have done this whole thread. And honestly if your the future of humanity then its a safe bet for me keeping money on it all going down the toilet.

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 02 mai 2012 - 03:23 .

[HiddenKING]

I believe in Mike Ross.

[cJohnOne]

I've seen a ghost cat and a ghost lady in a corner of the house. It's trueeeeee. but they disappeared very quickly.

[Eurypterid]

I believe I'll grab some breakfast...

There's definitely some weird things out there, but 'supernatural'? No, I don't believe in the supernatural.

[ObserverStatus]

The others may call us crazy, but cult leader Fluttershy says that when Lord Smooze returns we shall all be baptized in his ooze.

[Lotion Soronarr]

android654 wrote...
You know what type of people base beliefs on things they can not begin to fathom? Crazy people. It's an actualy symptom of many psychological disorders. Anyone with common sense would need a situation to make sense in order for them to buy into it. I asked you to lay something, anything in defense of your position and you're empty handed.

So now I'm crazy on top of that?
Yeah, see, the sitation does make perfect sense. Except not to you. But which is again, irrelevant.
I'm not here to defend my position. It doesn't need defending. It's not even on topic.

Also, bragging about your IQ is like bragging about your dick. If you have to say it out loud, it probably isn't true.

Well, I don't believe IQ scores mean much, especially given that my scores range from 120 to 150 and a 30 gap is big. But, you had an apperance of a guy who puts wa too much stock into (his own) intellectual prowess, and who thinks only uneducated poeple believe in God, so I mentioned it anyway.

But it's hard to believe you let that go, since attacking other people seems to be the only way you get your hard-on and prove (to yourself only) your intelectual superiority.

I just hope you realise you're not impressing anyone.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

Andriod stop being an ass. If the man has faith in something let him. Its not like he's starping a bomb to his chest or making fun of the some down right idiotic crap you think will happen in the future. You have such a huge superiority complex problem, that its not even funny anymore.

^

Well, there are two kind of atheists. Those like Stephen Hawking that are somehow respectable ... and those like Richard Dawkins and Nietzsche which deserve 'STHU'!

I ultimately prefer agnostics, if the person don't believe in any higher power.

[android654]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

Andriod stop being an ass. If the man has faith in something let him. Its not like he's starping a bomb to his chest or making fun of the some down right idiotic crap you think will happen in the future. You have such a huge superiority complex problem, that its not even funny anymore.

Hell your not even debating anymore, just making fun of him. But thats what you have done this whole thread. And honestly if your the future of humanity then its a safe bet for me keeping money on it all going down the toilet.

I'm being an ass for asking someone to back up what they claim? If someone speaks nonsense, then they set themselves up to be ridiculed. That happens with all things, not just nonsense like this.

[Daennikus]

android654 wrote...

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

Andriod stop being an ass. If the man has faith in something let him. Its not like he's starping a bomb to his chest or making fun of the some down right idiotic crap you think will happen in the future. You have such a huge superiority complex problem, that its not even funny anymore.

Hell your not even debating anymore, just making fun of him. But thats what you have done this whole thread. And honestly if your the future of humanity then its a safe bet for me keeping money on it all going down the toilet.

I'm being an ass for asking someone to back up what they claim? If someone speaks nonsense, then they set themselves up to be ridiculed. That happens with all things, not just nonsense like this.

Not taking sides here --what am I saying, we're all biased in this debate. Some religious people are intolerant of atheists, they will not respect someone who doesn't share their beliefs. History is their shameful baggage for this. So, in all fairness, atheists shouldn't feel obligated to respect religious people. 

Watch out for "religious people" I'm not talking about all theists, people who simply believe in a higher power. 

I'm an atheist, and I've been struggling with the idea of people letting themselves "BSed" by religion for any reason whatsoever. But with time I simply don't care about it anymore. What makes me cringe however, are the religions, the dogma, the mass-manipulation of morals and ethics. The so-called "purity" of those who lead using love, guilt, fear. The perversion of the indoctrinated mind. (Oh no, I used that word)

I'm intolerant towards people who are religious, therefore I avoid triggering any intellectual debates with them. It's important to set some walls between ourselves and others. Society is not this perfect unity of people coming together despite their differences, we have to respect our differences using material and abstract barriers.

[termokanden]

Arrogant academic here. No, I don't believe in anything supernatural.

People have asked me to believe in many things: ghosts, doomsday prophecies, religions, the works. Not one person has ever been able to give me a single good reason to believe in any of it. Come back when you are not just asking me to take your word for it.

I did see and hear ghosts as a child though. I have also, in the state of sleep paralysis (sleep paralysis sucks, by the way), felt and heard a presence close to me. This has happened very recently as well. But all of this is very easily explained.

Obi-Wan Old Ben Kenobi wrote...

To outright state that something exists or doesn't is extremely arrogant, especially since we know so little.

Agreed. It's certainly arrogant to force your beliefs upon others, waving the "can't prove me wrong" flag. Not blaming you of this, just saying this happens a lot. The burden of proof is on you, not me. Once I have any reason at all to believe in anything supernatural, I will reconsider. For now though, I'm firmly planted in the realm of mortals. Flesh, bone and boring old potatoes. I'm not saying supernatural things don't exist. I'm saying I don't have any more reason to believe in them than in the flying spaghetti monster ™.

PS: I believe in vampires though. Just not the ones from Twilight.

Modifié par termokanden, 02 mai 2012 - 09:47 .