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[tvih]

Grimy Bunyip wrote...
His base setting makes take cover and sprint separate though, I still prefer to put those together.
Easy enough to change though

Why would you want them put together though? I mean, sprint even when separated does put you into cover if you run straight into an object that can be used as such, but I still really prefer having it separate.

[AndanteInBlue]

I test drove the older use/cover/storm as 3 buttons version a bit and I found a little awkward. If you storm into a piece of cover or a wall, you automatically stick to it anyways, so it doesn't solve the main "sticky walls" problem. That seems like something they'd have to tweak with the engine : /

Separating use from the others is pretty awesome though. No more hot-potatoing between walls while you're trying to rescue a teammate.

[Zhuinden]

AndanteInBlue wrote...

I test drove the older use/cover/storm as 3 buttons version a bit and I found a little awkward. If you storm into a piece of cover or a wall, you automatically stick to it anyways, so it doesn't solve the main "sticky walls" problem. That seems like something they'd have to tweak with the engine : /

Ouch, so the condition is "if storm is on and you are near the wall, enter cover"?
I'm not sure how they didn't think that would be awkward when you're actually trying to run away.

No matter, at least seperating "Use" works

[ABjerre]

Awesome thread, thanks a lot for this!

[vivanto]

Bump.

Tried to find a proper step-by-step guide for my quoted code in the OP, but couldn't get any archives of it on my home PC. Some people seem to have applied it anyways, so it's working then.

Zhuinden wrote...
Ouch, so the condition is "if storm is on and you are near the wall, enter cover"?
I'm not sure how they didn't think that would be awkward when you're actually trying to run away.

Yeah, it still sticks to a wall sometimes, but you kinda need to be explicit about it (ie. running -almost- straight up to it). Simply walking up to a wall and pressing it, or running semi-sideways next to one will not get you into cover for the most part.

I've put cover vs storm to alt/space so I can still kinda press both at the same time or just separately depending on the situation. 

[Iodine]

If I'm understanding the "problem" right, you can tweak the distance from which HoldAction and TapAction(or is it PressAction? Can't remember which is enter/exit cover) will move you into cover.

biogame.ini->sfxgame.bioplayercontroller->
coveracquireparams=(...MaxDist=400...)
directionalcoveracquireparams=(...MaxDist=400...)

These use the normal ini/c.bin distances of meters*100 (400 = 4.00 meters). They're similar to ME2's StormMaxCoverEnterDist, if you remember those (and fixing ME2's horribly sticky/magnetic cover sucking you in ).

coveracquireparams is for TapAction (the roll/cover one, in case I'm remembering wrong and it's PressAction :V)
directionalcoveracquireparams is for HoldAction.

If they're both bound to the same key, you might as well change both, but definitely whichever executes first (I believe it's sequentially in the normal order). If they're on separate keys (e.g. sometimes I keep HoldAction on my sprint key, with TapAction+PressAction on the roll+enter/exit cover key), change whichever you want. With HoldAction on my sprint key, I generally set directionalcoveracquireparams to about 100-150 (1.00 to 1.50 meters), so that I can just barely back out of cover before sprinting without popping right back into cover. coveracquireparams I usually keep at ~250-300 just out of personal preference (because I'm Max Payne-ish and like more freedom to roll. ).

Also, I don't recall seeing a distance for "sprint into cover", but you pretty much have to hit the cover center and/or nearly perpendicular for that anyway, as vivanto or whoever said.

Modifié par Iodine, 25 avril 2012 - 10:44 .

[B3ckett]

Awesome thread is awesome. Great job.

Consolee's have to wait for BW's official patch for this crappy solution.:/

[AndanteInBlue]

The problem I'm still hoping to resolve is when I'm trying to run away from something (holding down storm) and then sticking to a piece of cover 'cause I bumped into it. As far as I can tell, this separation of bindings doesn't fix that problem.

I just did some trials with both the"Use / Rest" setup versus "Use / Cover / Storm" setup and found that you will enter cover if you hit it at an angle of < 45 degrees from perpendicular. That angle isn't changed in either keybinding setups.

It's possible the cover params might help with that though. I'll give it a try. Thanks for the tip!

[JohnDoe]

Zhuinden wrote...

AndanteInBlue wrote...

I test drove the older use/cover/storm as 3 buttons version a bit and I found a little awkward. If you storm into a piece of cover or a wall, you automatically stick to it anyways, so it doesn't solve the main "sticky walls" problem. That seems like something they'd have to tweak with the engine : /

Ouch, so the condition is "if storm is on and you are near the wall, enter cover"?
I'm not sure how they didn't think that would be awkward when you're actually trying to run away.

No matter, at least seperating "Use" works

which is dumb, it should have easily been fixed if

a) kept pressed  + directional keys= storm
on button release = get to cover if nearby
c)  kepy pressed = activate/use/hack

also, using the 3 sepparate button version.

I still find it annoying tha ****** doesnt let you add 2 to the same bind..
so had to leave the default one to space, and the use to another one..
works fine for me.

Modifié par JohnDoe, 25 avril 2012 - 08:16 .

[vivanto]

Iodine wrote...
biogame.ini->sfxgame.bioplayercontroller->
coveracquireparams=(...MaxDist=400...)
directionalcoverscquireparams=(...MaxDist=400...)

Great find, will try it when I get home!

[Iodine]

AndanteInBlue wrote...

It's possible the cover params might help with that though. I'll give it a try. Thanks for the tip!

Those values only affect pressing TapAction (roll/enter cover) and HoldAction, sprinting-into-cover is still separate. I don't recall ever seeing a value for angle-to-enter-cover or whatever, but there most likely is one somewhere in c.bin, I'll have to think about it and look for it, though. Of course, it could be one of these cryptically named things right in the same section, too.

Modifié par Iodine, 25 avril 2012 - 08:29 .

[Zhuinden]

What happens if you make the directionalcovermaxdistance zero or negative? I think you would be able to storm, then. Though for cover, only space without a directional key would work.

[Zhuinden]

Zhuinden wrote...

What happens if you make the directionalcovermaxdistance zero or negative? I think you would be able to storm, then. Though for cover, only space without a directional key would work.

Tried and tested: if you set the
(MinCameraDotCover=0.99, MinSlotDotPlayer=0.707, MinPlayerDotCoverOffset=0.502, MaxDist=400, MaxCoverHeightFactor=1.0)

value to ZERO (so, 0), then you won't be able to enter Cover when you're pressing an arrow key and press space, under ANY circumstances.
Which means, you will NOT waltz into cover while storming, either.
You will still be able to jump over the obstacles once you've entered Cover by pressing Space *without* any direction keys.

[Grimy Bunyip]

I experimented a bit with splitting heavy and light melees.

the current melee button has 2 options (try heavymelee, try melee, and leaveworld)
crucial told me that leavworld is for when you get bugged or what not.

so splitting heavy melee and light melee is straightforward EXCEPT.
the ability to turn off geth heavy melee is being stored elsewhere.

but the solution is simple.
change the current melee button into your heavy melee button
and make a new button for light melee.

it's nice being able to heavy melee with geth without accidentally light meleeing.

PS: Spamming your heavy melee button will not let you spam bursts.
if you click too fast you will start doing mini bursts that drain your shields but do no damage, and doesnt break cloak.
it might let you get your first burst off a bit sooner though, not sure.
but doesn't really let you spam it more than what is already possible.
Unless you want to drain your shields to no effect

Modifié par Grimy Bunyip, 25 avril 2012 - 07:38 .

[Zhuinden]

Grimy Bunyip wrote...

I experimented a bit with splitting heavy and light melees.

the current melee button has 2 options (try heavymelee, try melee, and leaveworld)
crucial told me that leavworld is for when you get bugged or what not.

so splitting heavy melee and light melee is straightforward EXCEPT.
the ability to turn off geth heavy melee is being stored elsewhere.

but the solution is simple.
change the current melee button into your heavy melee button
and make a new button for light melee.

it's nice being able to heavy melee with geth without accidentally light meleeing.

PS: Spamming your heavy melee button will not let you spam bursts.
if you click too fast you will start doing mini bursts that drain your shields but do no damage, and doesnt break cloak.
it might let you get your first burst off a bit sooner though, not sure.
but doesn't really let you spam it more than what is already possible.
Unless you want to drain your shields to no effect

Intriguing switch there!
Apparently the Geth as a whole is stored somewhere else, I'm not sure where the Resurgence Pack is. I'd so move the hotkey of Hunter Mode from 2 to 4, as it hurts my eyes, and I wouldn't even accidentally hit 4.

[jerrinehart]

How about giving the consoles an option to remap, overlooking that is insanity.

[Grimy Bunyip]

Zhuinden wrote...
Intriguing switch there!
Apparently the Geth as a whole is stored somewhere else, I'm not sure where the Resurgence Pack is. I'd so move the hotkey of Hunter Mode from 2 to 4, as it hurts my eyes, and I wouldn't even accidentally hit 4.

does moving the hunter mode hotkey from 2 to 4 removes the hunter mode HUD?
PS: my hunter mode hotkey was 3 by default, and PM at 2.
did you not spec PM or something? or maybe you specced it after you specced hunter mode?

[vivanto]

Zhuinden wrote...
Intriguing switch there!
Apparently the Geth as a whole is stored somewhere else, I'm not sure where the Resurgence Pack is. I'd so move the hotkey of Hunter Mode from 2 to 4, as it hurts my eyes, and I wouldn't even accidentally hit 4.

In ME2, DLC configuration files were stored seperately in an ini file at the /DLC/ folder with similar syntax as RCW's mod manager and applied at run-time.

If you looked into one of those files and applied the same - modified - records directly to the coalesced.ini, then that record would not be loaded from the DLC file on game-launch, so you could effectively mod DLC configurations this way.

Problem is, that the entire DLC data for ME3 is stored in a single *.sfar file which must be some kind of archived, or at least catalogued/encripted format so can't dig out a lot from them.

[Zhuinden]

Grimy Bunyip wrote...

Zhuinden wrote...
Intriguing switch there!
Apparently the Geth as a whole is stored somewhere else, I'm not sure where the Resurgence Pack is. I'd so move the hotkey of Hunter Mode from 2 to 4, as it hurts my eyes, and I wouldn't even accidentally hit 4.

does moving the hunter mode hotkey from 2 to 4 removes the hunter mode HUD?
PS: my hunter mode hotkey was 3 by default, and PM at 2.
did you not spec PM or something? or maybe you specced it after you specced hunter mode?

Actually I started this Coalesced modding thing on this low level because I wanted to remove Hunter Mode's HUD.
But I couldn't find it in the Coalesced, as the entire Resurgence pack stuff is hidden in some other file. It's a shame, really.
So I ended up making a 'T' use key instead, as my quest for turning off the Hunter Mode HUD was unsuccessful.

[Iodine]

vivanto wrote...
Problem is, that the entire DLC data for ME3 is stored in a single *.sfar file which must be some kind of archived, or at least catalogued/encripted format so can't dig out a lot from them.

The problem isn't getting the .sfar unpacked, there's just no way (that I'm aware of) to re-pack them, so no modification is (currently) possible. e.g. Here's the Resurgence .bin (open the same way as Coalesced.bin) dl.dropbox.com/u/153144/Default_DLC_CON_MP1.bin

Nothing pertaining to Geth melee bindings (or any) bindings in there, that I am aware of.

Edit: Looks like we did get a working sfar packer/re-packer finally a few days ago, I stand corrected. Still nothing worth changing in the DLC really. You might be able to "fix" Hunter Mode with glowculldistanceoffset (and/or removing/modifying the HM overlay .tga's) but being that it'd require modifying values (or files) for a power, that may have a high likelihood of being monitored/overriden/getting you banned.

Modifié par Iodine, 25 avril 2012 - 10:23 .

[vivanto]

Iodine wrote...
The problem isn't getting the .sfar unpacked, there's just no way (that I'm aware of) to re-pack them, so no modification is (currently) possible.

I can't check the file you linked right now, but if it works anything like ME2, shouldn't need to modify the DLC, only add the same entries to the c.bin. Tho I have the feeling from your post, that is no longer the case.

[dubdevo]

it can't be against the rules.....because if it was....whats to stop all of you from going out and buying a G15......or whatever gaming keyboard is out there? NADA. In fact I don't play on PC...but I'd have my macros runnin. Those of you who are broke, I'd recommend autoit.....IF its not against the rules.

[Zhuinden]

dubdevo wrote...

it can't be against the rules.....because if it was....whats to stop all of you from going out and buying a G15......or whatever gaming keyboard is out there? NADA. In fact I don't play on PC...but I'd have my macros runnin. Those of you who are broke, I'd recommend autoit.....IF its not against the rules.

It apparently seems that this isn't against the rules.
Also, disconnecting "Used" and the Space bar is just so amazing, that you don't have to mess with Space Bar's nonsense and can revive your teammates instead of dying while hugging the walls. I just played a game today, and it was still a remarkable experience.

Modifié par Zhuinden, 26 avril 2012 - 03:13 .

[Zhuinden]

dubdevo wrote...

it can't be against the rules.....because if it was....whats to stop all of you from going out and buying a G15......or whatever gaming keyboard is out there? NADA. In fact I don't play on PC...but I'd have my macros runnin. Those of you who are broke, I'd recommend autoit.....IF its not against the rules.

Because it's kinda hard to make real macros if everything is on one key.

[scheherazade]

Zhuinden wrote...

Zhuinden wrote...

What happens if you make the directionalcovermaxdistance zero or negative? I think you would be able to storm, then. Though for cover, only space without a directional key would work.

Tried and tested: if you set the
(MinCameraDotCover=0.99, MinSlotDotPlayer=0.707, MinPlayerDotCoverOffset=0.502, MaxDist=400, MaxCoverHeightFactor=1.0)

value to ZERO (so, 0), then you won't be able to enter Cover when you're pressing an arrow key and press space, under ANY circumstances.
Which means, you will NOT waltz into cover while storming, either.
You will still be able to jump over the obstacles once you've entered Cover by pressing Space *without* any direction keys.

That's a nice work-around, but it comes with its own quirkyness.

Not being able to take cover when you hit cover, because you happen to be moving, is as bad as running into cover.

Run should make you run
Cover should make you cover
Whichever is pressed later should stomp whatever you pressed earlier

I worked up a file that separated-out these actions.
use
cover
run
cover+run

Because running into cover made me take cover, I decided that run already is a combined cover+run (just not if you're standing still).
So I made a combined cover+run, so that the cover&run functionality was consistent regardless of running or standing still.

Separate use is nice - but the real "problem" is "taking cover when you're trying to run away from danger" - or "trying to run to 'actual cover' and getting stuck in 'shoot-me cover' ".
Because "run" has a built in "take cover" that you can't get rid of - we're stuck with that problem.

Since separating out the controls never fixed the real problem, I just decided to leave the controls default.
So I'm back to the stock file...

-scheherazade

Modifié par scheherazade, 27 avril 2012 - 06:35 .