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[Emzamination]

Legion64 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Her skin looks as if its made from scales,The back of her head is made of tentacles and the back of her neck has a hole anyone could stick their fingers in.In short, she is a useful squad mate for mobbing but her design makes me uncomfortable with any romantic involvement.

She is alien, you can't really blame her for that, many romance Tali and she looks less human, you can't even see her face and she is still one of the most popular characters and romance.

Though I understand what you're trying to say and respect it. I guess I am just a xenophile.

Couldn't make it with tali either, I couldn't stop thinking "what is going on behind that mask with those glowing eyes?" "Could she have a tentacle for a tongue or be bald with eyes on top?" "Better not chance it"

[tractrpl]

Vormaerin wrote...

Can you please do some research before spouting off?   Major Alenko outranks Shepard.   Major in the Alliance is an O6 designation, the equivalent of Fleet Captain.    Shepard is only a Staff Commander (O5).

Anyway, Shepard never gets promoted past Commander because he's never on active duty after the end of ME1.    He is dead for two years, then he's operating a civilian/terrorist ship, then he's under arrest.    He's not reinstated to active duty until the start of ME3.

I havne't played through ME3 with an intact Kaiden, so I profess my ignorance. Yes, his promotion is a bit of a stretch, less of a stretch than Ashley's, but a stretch. They messed up with "Major" anyway, it should be Major is equivalent to Commander and Colonel equivalent to Captain.

As far as Shep not getting promoted, Hackett had that authority. He could have easily "frocked" him (promotion in rank without the extra pay, to give him the authority he needs to do his job, usually done to fill a need quickly and then sort out the paperwork later).  Shepard commanded the fleet retaking Earth, so why wasn't he given the title of Admiral? It doesn't make sense.

Modifié par tractrpl, 22 avril 2012 - 11:57 .

[Han Shot First]

Legion64 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Her skin looks as if its made from scales,The back of her head is made of tentacles and the back of her neck has a hole anyone could stick their fingers in.In short, she is a useful squad mate for mobbing but her design makes me uncomfortable with any romantic involvement.

She is alien, you can't really blame her for that, many romance Tali and she looks less human, you can't even see her face and she is still one of the most popular characters and romance.

I think Emzamination's reasoning for not likeing Liara as a LI is a legit one, as that falls entirely into the category of personal preferences. It isn't based on misconceptions of how the character was written, or a double standard where blinders are put on concerning other characters equally amazing progession in importance or bad@ssery, simply because the player likes that character better than Liara.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 22 avril 2012 - 11:57 .

[tractrpl]

Han Shot First wrote...

Legion64 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Her skin looks as if its made from scales,The back of her head is made of tentacles and the back of her neck has a hole anyone could stick their fingers in.In short, she is a useful squad mate for mobbing but her design makes me uncomfortable with any romantic involvement.

She is alien, you can't really blame her for that, many romance Tali and she looks less human, you can't even see her face and she is still one of the most popular characters and romance.

I think Emzamination's reasoning for not likeing Liara as a LI is a legit one, as that falls entirely into the category of personal preferences. It isn't based on misconceptions of how the character was written, or a double standard where blinders are put on concerning other characters equally amazing progession in importance or bad@ssery, simply because the player likes that character better than Liara.

Agree! Here, here!

[Edolix]

I facepalmed when I read this, OP.

You think people hate Liara because of her...gameplay mechanics? Lolwut? No, people dislike her because of her character and personality, and how she acts throughout the trilogy. Is this really a surprise? Because, you know, Mass Effect is a story-driven game...

Me personally? I don't choose my squadmates on how well they "perform", but on how much I like them. Even on Insanity, I still rolled with team-dextro despite them not being the most practical squaddies. And guess what? They still got the job done.

[Vapaa]

Vormaerin wrote...

BS.   At most, she's kind of trying to keep up on the work being transmitted to her.   And the Normandy is absolutely not a safe place to be, nor is it a place where it is easy to keep in contact with her network.   Despite the space magic installation of tons of equipment on the Normandy the instant she steps aboard.   Though maybe storage for all that

Actually being able to work on the crucible and directly talk with the other experts would be way more valuable than occassionally getting to exchange some emails.   

The Geths are not working directly on the Crucible, like Liara, yet they are very efficient

Vormaerin wrote...

And if you think a ship flying through reaper controlled territory and engaging in commando insertions is safer than whatever mysterious place they built the Crucible...   Well, I'm not sure what to say about that.

The Normandy is indeed the safest place in the Galaxy: no one can storm it, it's one one the two vessels in the galaxy equipped with stealth system, and if a Reaper chase it, it just have to do a FTL jump

The Crucible place is only safe because of its secrecy, should an indoctrinated mole send the location to the Reapers and this is all over; the Normandy, even if localized can always escape

[tractrpl]

Edolix wrote...

I facepalmed when I read this, OP.

You think people hate Liara because of her...gameplay mechanics? Lolwut? No, people dislike her because of her character and personality, and how she acts throughout the trilogy. Is this really a surprise? Because, you know, Mass Effect is a story-driven game...

Me personally? I don't choose my squadmates on how well they "perform", but on how much I like them. Even on Insanity, I still rolled with team-dextro despite them not being the most practical squaddies. And guess what? They still got the job done.

This is where I differ from many gamers, then. I play this game in a manner in which I'd approach things in real life.  My job requires an incredible amount of teamwork. In my job, you can be the most fun person, with the most interesting sob story, or be this that or the other, but if you're not good to my team, then GTFO.  You know what we call people that are bad at their jobs but try to make everyone like them? Asskissers. My favorite people are the ones on my team I can rely on most when sh*t hits the fan. Liara fits the bill in that regard.

[RedArmyShogun]

She is a Xeno, and all xeno's must be purged in the name of the God Emperor of Man. His will and words are not to be questioned. An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded.

Blessed is the mind too small for doubt.

[XyleJKH]

All the haters are usually morons. f ucking idiotic people. Sorry, I don't see any of the reasons as relevant. this thread is just troll bait anyway

[Vormaerin]

tractrpl wrote...

This is where I differ from many gamers, then. I play this game in a manner in which I'd approach things in real life. 

Glad I'm not on your softball team then.  Games are entertainment, not work.  I want them to be fun.

You happen to think Liara is effective, which is a highly subjective thing affected by your class, playstyle, and difficulty level.  I didn't notice her being that effective, especially.  Certainly not sufficiently more effective enough to justify displacing characters I thought were more interesting to listen to during the random conversations.

[Foxhound2121]

Vormaerin wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

This is where I differ from many gamers, then. I play this game in a manner in which I'd approach things in real life. 

Glad I'm not on your softball team then.  Games are entertainment, not work.  I want them to be fun.

You happen to think Liara is effective, which is a highly subjective thing affected by your class, playstyle, and difficulty level.  I didn't notice her being that effective, especially.  Certainly not sufficiently more effective enough to justify displacing characters I thought were more interesting to listen to during the random conversations.

This idea that Liara displaces anything besides a squadmate slot is pretty absurd. Which is what a lot of people try to fabricate in here when they feel like someone else's LI got more of X than their's.

[tractrpl]

Vormaerin wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

This is where I differ from many gamers, then. I play this game in a manner in which I'd approach things in real life. 

Glad I'm not on your softball team then.  Games are entertainment, not work.  I want them to be fun.

You happen to think Liara is effective, which is a highly subjective thing affected by your class, playstyle, and difficulty level.  I didn't notice her being that effective, especially.  Certainly not sufficiently more effective enough to justify displacing characters I thought were more interesting to listen to during the random conversations.

I'm glad you'll never be on my ISR team. My job is war, and we need people able to produce results.

If this was a baseball team I wouldn't be chosen for sure cause I suck. I doesn't matter if I am fun or have a good story. We're there to win games not make interesting commentary. That being said I didn't "hate" anyone. I just preferred some to others.

[Vormaerin]

Foxhound2121 wrote...


This idea that Liara displaces anything besides a squadmate slot is pretty absurd. Which is what a lot of people try to fabricate in here when they feel like someone else's LI got more of X than their's.

Well, since a squadmate slot was what we were talking about, I'm not sure what your point is.  The guy I was responding to said he picked associates solely for their effectiveness, just like he does in real life.  I said that I didn't think she was better than the other companions in a fight and certainly not enough better to take the place of some more fun to listen to.

What that has to do with LIs is beyond me.

[Vormaerin]

tractrpl wrote...

I'm glad you'll never be on my ISR team. My job is war, and we need people able to produce results.

Oddly, I finished ME2 and ME3 on the highest difficulty without using Liara except for Lair of the Shadowbroker, Mars, and Thessia.  So she's certainly not required for "results".

I'm glad you found her to be effective and, presumably, enjoyed using her.  But her status as a biotic god was purely an ME1 thing.

[spirosz]

How can you not like her?

Easy, people have different tastes. How shocking, I know.

[Foxhound2121]

Vormaerin wrote...

Foxhound2121 wrote...


This idea that Liara displaces anything besides a squadmate slot is pretty absurd. Which is what a lot of people try to fabricate in here when they feel like someone else's LI got more of X than their's.

Well, since a squadmate slot was what we were talking about, I'm not sure what your point is.  The guy I was responding to said he picked associates solely for their effectiveness, just like he does in real life.  I said that I didn't think she was better than the other companions in a fight and certainly not enough better to take the place of some more fun to listen to.

What that has to do with LIs is beyond me.

My point was that I was agreeing with you. Much of this thread, if you read it, does not.

Modifié par Foxhound2121, 23 avril 2012 - 02:23 .

[Nassegris]

I don’t hate Liara.

But, I didn’t quite find her character to be that interesting. I was never compelled to get to know her better, and I didn’t like her inserting herself into my storyline. I wanted to be able to subtly put her to the side the way I do with any other character I don’t like.

Don’t want to kill her, but I don’t want her on my mission squad, either.

However, she keeps showing up in Shep’s cabin and I have to bring her along for missions when I’d rather have taken someone else.

See – I don’t care what character has the most awesome skills. I play an adept, and she’s superfluous, but if I’d loved her I’d have brought her along anyway.

I always take the characters that are my Shep’s best friends and I imagine she’d trust the most and enjoys the company the most of.

I know there are other friendships that other people felt were forced on them – but in my case, I enjoyed them more. I ended up feeling Liara was Shep’s stalker. Like maybe if Shep had checked Liara's desk, she’d found piles, upon piles of photos taken of her while in her sleep, with little hearts drawn all over.

Modifié par Nassegris, 23 avril 2012 - 02:26 .

[snackrat]

Sparatus wrote...

Because I don't.

She's boring, has a lackluster VA, has way too much plot relevance, built too much around her romance (which makes her come off as stalkerish.), has a forced friendship after Mass Effect, and cannot be gotten rid of.

Nassegris wrote...

I don’t hate Liara. 

But, I didn’t quite find her character to be that interesting. I was never compelled to get to know her better, and I didn’t like her inserting herself into my storyline. I wanted to be able to subtly put her to the side the way I do with any other character I don’t like. 

Don’t want to kill her, but I don’t want her on my mission squad, either. 

However, she keeps showing up in Shep’s cabin and I have to bring her along for missions when I’d rather have taken someone else.

See – I don’t care what character has the most awesome skills. I play an adept, and she’s superfluous, but if I’d loved her I’d have brought her along anyway.

I always take the characters that are my Shep’s best friends and I imagine she’d trust the most and enjoys the company the most of. 

I know there are other friendships that other people felt were forced on them – but in my case, I enjoyed them more. I ended up feeling Liara was Shep’s stalker. Like maybe if Shep had checked Liara's desk, she’d found piles, upon piles of photos taken of her while in her sleep, with little hearts drawn all over.

 

Agreed. On every damn point for Sparatus, and for the general Nassegris. Her character has no real flaw or flavour, making her boring or even annoying compared to other party members. Even if she did it wouldn't be carried well because her voice actress uses the same pitch and tone for nearly EVERY. SINGLE. LINE.

She is also LITERALLY, NO EXAGERATION, the only squaddie that will be present through the entirity of ALL THREE GAMES - and the ONLY ONE THAT CANNOT DIE (except at 'the beam' when ridiculously unprepared? maybe? Which is irrelevant since at that point in time Shepard goes solo to THPOILERTH! anyway).
I suppose Vega can't die either until 'the beam', but he's really mostly there to handhold people who didn't play Mass Effect 1 or 2, don't want to look up even the basic synopsis, AND don't want to read the codex.
Though she is not a squaddie in ME2 unless you have LotSB, you still have to go through her to get anything done on Illium.

I don't want her to die. I don't want her cut out of the game. I want to keep her on at least as an OPTION since some Sherpards may enjoy her company. But I don't like the fact that Bioware's writing team seemed determined to make us like a cardboard cutout that had to be present, and I'd want the ability to at least get her OUT OF MY FACE, thank you very much, no Liara you can go away and work on the Crucible and be War Assets instead, kthxbai.

As for the other characters mentioned as 'plot armoured', while that certainly annoys me (as many, though not necessarily most) - plot armour is ONLY IMPORTANT if people are actually wanting to circumvent it. If nobody wants Character X to die (or at least leave), they wouldn't really care much that they can't. For many of those suggested characters I just NEVER WENT NEAR THEM - never recruited them, never talked to them, never even entered the room they lurk in so they couldn't jump me asking to hang out.

Modifié par Karsciyin, 23 avril 2012 - 02:36 .

[SuperVulcan]

Liara is awesome! That is all...

[Gexora]

I personally never found Liara to be that useful. In ME3 yes, but Javik worked just as well. In ME she wasn't really useful for me
(I am classic "in-yoh-face" vanguard).
However, in RP video games, most people use squadmates they like, not the most effective. If Liara was thousand times better than anyone else, sure. But everyone else gets job done just as well.
Though even if she was overpowered to the point of breaking the game just by existing, which, again, she isn't - your post will still make no sense. People (who don't hate her) may have used/not used her because of her abilities (she is damn useful on Feros), but this is not why anyone would like/dislike a character. No one loves Jacob not because he is an ultra-nerfed ME1 vanguard, but because he is boring.
Though I like Jacob, hey

[RocShemp]

tractrpl wrote...

In both ME1 and ME2 Liara is damn near the most useful squadmate unless you yourself are already an adept. In ME1, you just have her use singularity, all bad guys go up in the air, and you just turkey shoot. Didn't get to kill them all, you just use lift, turkey shoot. One of those shotgun wielders or krogen with regen that needs 1000 bullets to kill? Just use warp. I mean having Liara is almost like cheating, that's how much easier she makes the game merely by having her in her squad. The same goes in ME3, though I used her stasis more instead of singularity , it helped me with using headshots with my sniper rifle. 

So, how can you NOT like her? She's so damn useful, like an instant easy switch. Is that why you hate her, because she's the most useful squadmate in the game? Or do you play as an adept already and therefore don't need her? Maybe you don't like her voice actress. What is it?

She's absolutely a powerhouse in combat, yes.  But I found the character very bland. She was like Smallville's Lana Lang.

[HairyMadDog1010]

I don't hate her, but I never romanced her, as a paragon of humanity it just does not fit with me to romance her