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[MACharlie1]

I like her but I don't like the ways she's forced on the player so much. And then I developed some dislike after I read the script and her "stage directions". She's a goddamn Mary-Sue.

A shame really. A lot of potential if it just wasn't so forced.

[Sebbe1337o]

FERMi27 wrote...

I've made myself an assless Asari Adept in MP and don't give a damn about Liara anymore.

You can do that?! 

Hint: Use the right colour on that part of the armor.

Modifié par Sebbe1337o, 22 avril 2012 - 06:01 .

[Reorte]

I don't have a problem with Liara that much (although often her voice acting is iffy at best), it's just that she's too omnipresent in ME3 at the expense of other squadmates who I prefer (predominantly Tali and Garrus). How useful a particular squadmate is on a given mission rarely comes into it for me. On my first playthroughs I'll take whoever I think will be the most interesting on a mission and later ones (if I ever do another ME3 one) I usually take someone new.

Although Liara's biotic powers are handy there aren't any missions that are hard enough to make one squadmate essential over the others so that doesn't come into my opinion of characters at all.

[tractrpl]

Sparatus wrote...

SilvinTT56 wrote...

Do Liara and Kai Leng haters also hate Joker, Hackett, Aria, Varric, Leliana, Morrigan and Isabela?

Joker: Don't like him. 

Hackett: No. He stays in his role as leader of the Alliance and that's it. He doesn't do anything but be leader of the Alliance.

Aria: Aria doesn't really do anything.

Varric: No. I can be a jerk to him and tell him off when I want.

Leliana: No. I can tell her to leave, be a jerk to her, or kill her off. Though the retcon of her being alive no matter what. Which is a lowblow from Bioware

Morrigan:No. I can tell her to leave. She has a lot of forced plot relevance, and is a huge writer's pet in general. But I can tell Morrigan to leave the camp.

Isabella:No. I can kill Isabella, or sell her out and get rid of her.

Looks like you need to stop playing BW games since they make you so miserable. People like you are the reason we no longer have the Mako, which was by far one of the most badass parts of ME1. We only wanted improvements, not total removal.

[Jog0907]

tractrpl wrote...

SilvinTT56 wrote...

Awookie wrote...

Plot armor.

Same reason why most Liara haters also hate Kai Leng.

Do Liara and Kai Leng haters also hate Joker, Hackett, Aria, Varric, Leliana, Morrigan and Isabela?

Yeah no kidding.  You don't get to kill Aria and take over Omega WTF??  WHAT'S UP WITH THAT PLOT ARMOR BIOWARE??? /sarcasm

its different Aria is not a squadmate and she's still shown to be fallible despite her inmense abilities and connections.
Liara is not, for some reason she still alive and well after any difficult situation, stuff happens to her but its hardly shown to have a effect on her mind or body beyond getting a new job.
LotSB did a good job at it, but it feels odd that she still achieves the exact same result with the exact same state of mind even without shep (if you didnt do it in me2).

edit> add the lack of the stealth normandy with should have resulted in a insta kill for her when she tried to assault the SB ship, yet she survives somehow.

Modifié par Jog0907, 22 avril 2012 - 06:08 .

[Dude_in_the_Room]

I'm not really a Liara fan, but I do admit she has perfect breasts. The size, shape and density....all perfect.

[tractrpl]

Jog0907 wrote...

its different Aria is not a squadmate and she's still shown to be fallible despite her inmense abilities and connections.
Liara is not, for some reason she still alive and well after any difficult situation, stuff happens to her but its hardly shown to have a effect on her mind or body beyond getting a new job.
LotSB did a good job at it, but it feels odd that she still achieves the exact same result with the exact same state of mind even without shep (if you didnt do it in me2)

LotSB is considered canon. It happens whether or not you buy the DLC and help her. As far as I know, it's canon that Shepard DID help her, whether you played the DLC or not, it's assumed it happened. 

Modifié par tractrpl, 22 avril 2012 - 06:07 .

[The Angry Hamster]

 Yea, but you just gotta love those Asari dreadlocks.


Kirk, out.

[lillitheris]

I'm pretty sure it's because you didn't post this on the Character and Romance forum.

Although the anti-Liaras post on the wrong forum too so I dunno.

[SilvinC]

Reorte wrote...

I don't have a problem with Liara that much (although often her voice acting is iffy at best), it's just that she's too omnipresent in ME3 at the expense of other squadmates who I prefer (predominantly Tali and Garrus).

The ME2 squadmates...I can understand the frustation
The VS or Tali...sure
But Garrus??? He has more banter than any other character in the game!

[tractrpl]

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

I'm not really a Liara fan, but I do admit she has perfect breasts. The size, shape and density....all perfect.

Shameless sexualization added to ME3. In ME1 and ME2 she didn't have those huge knockers until LotSB as I recall.

[Pax of Doom]

tractrpl wrote...
I don't understand that. If you could kill anyone at anytime how could you have a cohesive story? You have to have at least some characters that never die, at least until the end.

Sideline them in the third game.  You were talking about ME2 weren't you?

To answer your question: if it is as easy as you say, then not everyone wants to steamroll the game.  I didn't find her to be so powerful in ME1, and the few times I used her in 3, she spent more time doing dead man yoga poses than helping my combos.

Plotwise, she is wasted going with Shepard.  She is a Prothean expert - exactly what the Crucible needed.  She is the Shadow Broker - she could have been a great resource.  Instead, she is stuck on the Normandy, fiddling with her SB network, and doing dead man yoga on the battlefield.  I would rather have Aethyta as a squadmate, tbh.

[tractrpl]

Sparatus wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

Looks like you need to stop playing BW games since they make you so miserable. People like you are the reason we no longer have the Mako, which was by far one of the most badass parts of ME1. We only wanted improvements, not total removal.

Uhhh, Dragon Age is probably the archetypical Bioware game. It has everything it it that made people love them in the first place

choices.

I can choose who I want in my party, I can kick every single one of them (except Alistair.) out of my camp. Or I don't. It's all up to me and the choices I make.

Yeah, well, I had a hard time getting into Dragon Age. The story seemed bland and boring. Not like Mass Effect or KOTOR (I'm still not into SWTOR, by the way).

[Jog0907]

tractrpl wrote...

Jog0907 wrote...

its different Aria is not a squadmate and she's still shown to be fallible despite her inmense abilities and connections.
Liara is not, for some reason she still alive and well after any difficult situation, stuff happens to her but its hardly shown to have a effect on her mind or body beyond getting a new job.
LotSB did a good job at it, but it feels odd that she still achieves the exact same result with the exact same state of mind even without shep (if you didnt do it in me2)

LotSB is considered canon. It happens whether or not you buy the DLC and help her. As far as I know, it's canon that Shepard DID help her, whether you played the DLC or not, it's assumed it happened. 

no it isnt if you dont complete LotSB in me2, it translates to shep not even knowing she killed the SB in me3.
Thats why its cheap she can infiltrate the SB ship even without a stealth ship, she just does for no reason at all, except the writers didnt wanted to have her die as a consequence of a bad decision on her part (attempting a coup on the SB without the proper means to assault his base)

Modifié par Jog0907, 22 avril 2012 - 06:12 .

[tractrpl]

Pax of Doom wrote...

tractrpl wrote...
I don't understand that. If you could kill anyone at anytime how could you have a cohesive story? You have to have at least some characters that never die, at least until the end.

Sideline them in the third game.  You were talking about ME2 weren't you?

To answer your question: if it is as easy as you say, then not everyone wants to steamroll the game.  I didn't find her to be so powerful in ME1, and the few times I used her in 3, she spent more time doing dead man yoga poses than helping my combos.

Plotwise, she is wasted going with Shepard.  She is a Prothean expert - exactly what the Crucible needed.  She is the Shadow Broker - she could have been a great resource.  Instead, she is stuck on the Normandy, fiddling with her SB network, and doing dead man yoga on the battlefield.  I would rather have Aethyta as a squadmate, tbh.

I didn't have that problem. She was an instantaneous easy switch for me. The fastest way to kill enemies was to make sure Liara is on your squad unless...what class of character do you play?

[Dude_in_the_Room]

tractrpl wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

I'm not really a Liara fan, but I do admit she has perfect breasts. The size, shape and density....all perfect.

Shameless sexualization added to ME3. In ME1 and ME2 she didn't have those huge knockers until LotSB as I recall.

Really?  They added shameless sexualization when they added the ability to romance whoever when it has nothing to do with the plot.

Lets not keep ME1 on every pedestal.

[Jog0907]

Sparatus wrote...

Liara assembles a band of mercenaries and kills the Shadowbroker herself.

When you start becoming a bigger sue than the PC we are starting to have a problem.

without a stealth ship I might add, since mercs dont have such tech and of course neither did she.

[tractrpl]

Sparatus wrote...

Liara assembles a band of mercenaries and kills the Shadowbroker herself.

When you start becoming a bigger sue than the PC we are starting to have a problem.

That was a bad decision. Previously they said that the LotSB was going to be considered canon. So not playing it is like not playing ME1 or ME3. Sure, you don't need to play it, but it's assumed Shepard was still doing all those things, obviously. I guess they backslid on that.  I would have preferred that LotSB happens with Shepard as canon, regardless of whether or not you actually play it. It would have made the game more consistent and cohesive while at the same time upsetting the Liara haters even more. Brialliant.

[The Milky Waver]

 She definitely is useful, that's for sure. But she is a writer's pet with indestructable plot armor, which is why i don't like her as much as i would if she wasn't.

[Kaelef]

Sparatus wrote...

Liara assembles a band of mercenaries and kills the Shadowbroker herself.

When you start becoming a bigger sue than the PC we are starting to have a problem.

All the characters do stuff without you.  You know Garrus takes on several bands of mercenaries at Omega without you, right?

[Kaelef]

Sparatus wrote...

Liara is an asari.

An entire race of pointless sexualization and fanservice.

Wow.  The entire game is fanservice.