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[tractrpl]

Kaelef wrote...

SilvinTT56 wrote...
I've heard people often switch to new careers because their lives change or new circumstances demand it

Yeah, I'm actually more surprised when I meet someone who hasn't made a big career or life change these days.

I used to be an envangilizaer, went to church 3 times weekly plus at least one bible study and went door to door to tell people they need Jesus. Now I'm an atheist that tries to convince people how we need science and education in our lives more than anything else besides food, water, and shelter. Not to get political, but what you said is true. Sometimes people change dramatically. I'm certainly no exception.

[Jog0907]

Han Shot First wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

Liara assembles a band of mercenaries and kills the Shadowbroker herself.

When you start becoming a bigger sue than the PC we are starting to have a problem.

Garrus led a small team of mercenaries (literally squad sized) on Omega, running circles around some of the largest and most powerful mercenary gangs in the Terminus.

Tali becomes an Admiral despite being in her early 20s, and despite not having held any previous military rank that we know of.

Im bored so im just gonna answer the first 2.

Garrus does that but he also gets detected has his whole squad killed and finds himself about to get killed, his actions can have really bad consequences to him.

Tali admiral position is hinted since me1, depending on me2 actions it may not happen at all and the default in me3 is her never becoming one, plus the fact that its said plenty of times its just  a rank to help her counsel better but when it comes to actual tasks than she has none of a proper admiral (due to her age) plus me2 showed than she was part of the military and in command positions.

Modifié par Jog0907, 22 avril 2012 - 06:43 .

[Pax of Doom]

MrnDpty161 wrote...
I mean Liara was the one that fought for your dead body and then had you rise again.... 

Maybe someone can explain it to me, or point me in the right direction.

Revivication has never occurred before in the ME universe outside Reaper involvement.  How did Liara know they would resurrect Shepard, if it never happened before?  Thought Liara's dialog stated that the Collectors & Cerberus both wanted Shepard's body.  She gave it to Cerberus with nothing more than a nebulous promise at resurrection.  How could she have possibly known they would bring Shepard back from the dead?  Why give the corpse to a terrorist group, and not the weird anonymous aliens (remember, no one knew who or what the Collectors really were before Shepard's investigation), or perhaps Hannah Shepard/the Alliance for proper internment?

[Kaelef]

tractrpl wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

SilvinTT56 wrote...
I've heard people often switch to new careers because their lives change or new circumstances demand it

Yeah, I'm actually more surprised when I meet someone who hasn't made a big career or life change these days.

I used to be an envangilizaer, went to church 3 times weekly plus at least one bible study and went door to door to tell people they need Jesus. Now I'm an atheist that tries to convince people how we need science and education in our lives more than anything else besides food, water, and shelter. Not to get political, but what you said is true. Sometimes people change dramatically. I'm certainly no exception.

I thiink that's a bigger change than going from asari archeologist to asari controller of the galaxy-wide information trade network.

[Rorschachinstein]

Pax of Doom wrote...

MrnDpty161 wrote...
I mean Liara was the one that fought for your dead body and then had you rise again.... 

Maybe someone can explain it to me, or point me in the right direction.

Revivication has never occurred before in the ME universe outside Reaper involvement.  How did Liara know they would resurrect Shepard, if it never happened before?  Thought Liara's dialog stated that the Collectors & Cerberus both wanted Shepard's body.  She gave it to Cerberus with nothing more than a nebulous promise at resurrection.  How could she have possibly known they would bring Shepard back from the dead?  Why give the corpse to a terrorist group, and not the weird anonymous aliens (remember, no one knew who or what the Collectors really were before Shepard's investigation), or perhaps Hannah Shepard/the Alliance for proper internment?

I thought it was firmly established that she is a "good" information  broker.

[Kaelef]

Pax of Doom wrote...

MrnDpty161 wrote...
I mean Liara was the one that fought for your dead body and then had you rise again.... 

Maybe someone can explain it to me, or point me in the right direction.

Revivication has never occurred before in the ME universe outside Reaper involvement.  How did Liara know they would resurrect Shepard, if it never happened before?  Thought Liara's dialog stated that the Collectors & Cerberus both wanted Shepard's body.  She gave it to Cerberus with nothing more than a nebulous promise at resurrection.  How could she have possibly known they would bring Shepard back from the dead?  Why give the corpse to a terrorist group, and not the weird anonymous aliens (remember, no one knew who or what the Collectors really were before Shepard's investigation), or perhaps Hannah Shepard/the Alliance for proper internment?

Her main motivation is keeping it from the hands of the Collectors, whose intentions she's certain aren't good.  I don't think she ever expects for Cerberus to literally resurrect him.

[tractrpl]

Sparatus wrote...

As I said before, the person who retrieved Shepard's body should have been Miranda or Jacob. Liara just made no sense.

Well, I don't think Jacob had been recruited by Cerberus yet, and Miranda was heavily involved, but they wanted people the player was familiar with so they chose Liara. I think Ashley's religious beliefs would have prevented her from allowing him to be revived and her political beliefs would have prevented her from turning him over to Cerberus. Kaiden's not a guaranteed character, but he'd have done it. Tali and Wrex wouldn't have the resources.

[Jog0907]

Kaelef wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

SilvinTT56 wrote...
I've heard people often switch to new careers because their lives change or new circumstances demand it

Yeah, I'm actually more surprised when I meet someone who hasn't made a big career or life change these days.

I used to be an envangilizaer, went to church 3 times weekly plus at least one bible study and went door to door to tell people they need Jesus. Now I'm an atheist that tries to convince people how we need science and education in our lives more than anything else besides food, water, and shelter. Not to get political, but what you said is true. Sometimes people change dramatically. I'm certainly no exception.

I thiink that's a bigger change than going from asari archeologist to asari controller of the galaxy-wide information trade network.

no it isnt, it would be comparable if he went from being atheist to being the pope in 2 years

[tractrpl]

jreezy wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Tali becomes an Admiral despite being in her early 20s, and despite not having held any previous military rank that we know of.

*Ahem* Mid-20s

Early 20's.  She's Jailbait in ME1. By ME3 she's barely 20, maybe even 19 still.

[Reorte]

Kaelef wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

That is logical character development. Wrex doesn't suddenly shift roles out of nowhere.

Right. So going from being a nobody thug to ruler of your entire race is a lot more logical than any of the other stories in the game.  Going from being a nobody soldier to savior of the entire galaxy is totally logical.

Wrex has always been a pretty significant figure in Clan Urdnot but he'd given up hope and left Tuchanka. He'd given up caring (he says so himself), finding life pretty futile. It seems reasonable that ending up on Shepard's crew and being a part of a great galaxy-influencing mission inspired him to think again, that it wasn't all pointless and hopeless.

Other characters end up in their eventual roles for different reasons. Tali was pushed into becoming an admiral and it was clearly something she would rather have not done, but with her background and again, being part of Shepard's missions, it's understandable that some people would try to push her into the vacant position. That said, thanks to her lack of experience it seems more unlikely than Wrex.

Garrus has a similar story to Tali, but it's a little more plausible. He's both well-connected and experienced.

Liara? Archeologist to Shadow Broker? Complete change of personality? Sorry, a leap too far. Given asari lifetimes I could accept it over a few hundred years, possibly.

[Kaelef]

Pax of Doom wrote...

MrnDpty161 wrote...
I mean Liara was the one that fought for your dead body and then had you rise again.... 

Maybe someone can explain it to me, or point me in the right direction.

Revivication has never occurred before in the ME universe outside Reaper involvement.  How did Liara know they would resurrect Shepard, if it never happened before?  Thought Liara's dialog stated that the Collectors & Cerberus both wanted Shepard's body.  She gave it to Cerberus with nothing more than a nebulous promise at resurrection.  How could she have possibly known they would bring Shepard back from the dead?  Why give the corpse to a terrorist group, and not the weird anonymous aliens (remember, no one knew who or what the Collectors really were before Shepard's investigation), or perhaps Hannah Shepard/the Alliance for proper internment?

Her main motivation is keeping it from the hands of the Collectors, whose intentions she's certain aren't good.  I don't think she ever expects for Cerberus to literally resurrect him.  Her assisting Cerberus in this ends-up being accidental, if I recall correctly (they originally hired a drell to do the job).

Modifié par Kaelef, 22 avril 2012 - 06:47 .

[MACharlie1]

tractrpl wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Tali becomes an Admiral despite being in her early 20s, and despite not having held any previous military rank that we know of.

*Ahem* Mid-20s

Early 20's.  She's Jailbait in ME1. By ME3 she's barely 20, maybe even 19 still.

"Word of God" puts her at 25 in ME2/ME3. 

[Reorte]

tractrpl wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Tali becomes an Admiral despite being in her early 20s, and despite not having held any previous military rank that we know of.

*Ahem* Mid-20s

Early 20's.  She's Jailbait in ME1. By ME3 she's barely 20, maybe even 19 still.

22 in ME1, 24 in ME2, 25 in ME3. I'd feel happier if she was a bit older but she's not young enough to make me feel like a dirty old man for loving her.

[MrnDpty161]

Well before I talk about Shepard's body --- let me be very clear. I did not nor ever would I have supported a stupid story move involving Shepard dying and being ressurected because to me, it was a gimmick to re-shuffle the story due to changing game companies and the fact Mass Effect was going to go multi-platform.

[BioWareM0d13]

Jog0907 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

Liara assembles a band of mercenaries and kills the Shadowbroker herself.

When you start becoming a bigger sue than the PC we are starting to have a problem.

Garrus led a small team of mercenaries (literally squad sized) on Omega, running circles around some of the largest and most powerful mercenary gangs in the Terminus.

Tali becomes an Admiral despite being in her early 20s, and despite not having held any previous military rank that we know of.

Im bored so im just gonna answer the first 2.

Garrus does that but he also gets detected has his whole squad killed and finds himself about to get killed, his actions can have really bad consequences to him.

Tali admiral position is hinted since me1, depending on me2 actions it may not happen at all and the default in me3 is her never becoming one, plus the fact that its said plenty of times its just  a rank to help her counsel better but when it comes to actual tasks than she has none of a proper admiral plus me2 showed than she was part of the military and in command positions.

Even though Garrus needed Shepard to save him, in the end his squad is undone only by betrayal. Had Sidonis not turned traitor Garrus would have likely still been running rings around the merc gangs, despite being massive outnumbered. And even when the mercs had him backed into a corner, he was still holding them at bay and causing casualties, despite being one man against a small army. Whether or not Garrus would have died, his accomplishments were still as legendary as Liara taking down the Shadowbroker.

Even if Tali was in an advisor's role in ME3 she still held the rank of Admiral, which is an amazing accomplishment for someone who is in her twenties and as far as we know, has not held any previous military rank.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 22 avril 2012 - 06:50 .

[Kaelef]

Reorte wrote...

Liara? Archeologist to Shadow Broker? Complete change of personality? Sorry, a leap too far. Given asari lifetimes I could accept it over a few hundred years, possibly.

A few hundred years?!  Wow.  I guess it all depends on what we've seen in our lives.  I've seen people go from being street bums to running their own companies in a year's time.  Liara's story seems no more far fetched than anything else in ME.

[tractrpl]

Jog0907 wrote...


no it isnt, it would be comparable if he went from being atheist to being the pope in 2 years

Or non-military to generals saluting you in 6 months? Or from two bit mercenary to leader of a planet in 2 years? Even if it's not a change of character, it's a change of status. Liara changed to an information broker, change in job status, but not change in belief structure. She became SB because she took down the SB, not because she jumped ranks.

[Jog0907]

tractrpl wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Tali becomes an Admiral despite being in her early 20s, and despite not having held any previous military rank that we know of.

*Ahem* Mid-20s

Early 20's.  She's Jailbait in ME1. By ME3 she's barely 20, maybe even 19 still.

you're wrong, in me1 shes 22 in me2 shes 24, by me3 she's 25, and in game her age is mentioned as being the reason why she doesnt haves the actual tasks of a true admiral

[Reorte]

Han Shot First wrote...

Even if Tali was in an advisor's role in ME3 she still held the rank of Admiral, which is an amazing accomplishment for someone who is in her twenties and as far as we know, has not held any previous military rank.

I think she says something about her father getting or giving her military training. She lacks experience though.

[MrnDpty161]

"Maybe someone can explain it to me, or point me in the right direction.

Revivication has never occurred before in the ME universe outside Reaper involvement. How did Liara know they would resurrect Shepard, if it never happened before? Thought Liara's dialog stated that the Collectors & Cerberus both wanted Shepard's body. She gave it to Cerberus with nothing more than a nebulous promise at resurrection. How could she have possibly known they would bring Shepard back from the dead? Why give the corpse to a terrorist group, and not the weird anonymous aliens (remember, no one knew who or what the Collectors really were before Shepard's investigation), or perhaps Hannah Shepard/the Alliance for proper internment?"

It was a mixture of dice role, her information broker skills, and the fact Cerberus pretty much told her there could be a 2nd chance for rotting-dead Shepard ---- so why not take it if you really loved the person? I would in that position. What would hurt? Your already dead --- but what would the collectors do to your body? Make you into a Shepard-Reaper? Forget that.

So she fought --- and gave the body to Cerberus. From what I understand.