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[General User]

moater boat wrote...

Saren never puts himself in a situation where it would actually be really easy to kill him. On Virmire he shows up, ruins your sh*t, and leaves. He has super powerful shields, a hoverboard, and a freaking Geth arm.

Kai Leng, on the other hand, jumps down from the rafters in the citadel and just menaces his target. What kind of assassin announces his presence like that? Then he gets his but kicked by a terminally ill Drell.

Don't even get me started on the skycar scene. Even I could have killed Kai Leng in that situation.

Basically Kai Leng is lame.

I know right?!  C'mon Shep!  Cut the wheel!  Slam on the brakes! 

[ENorman94]

They play Kai Leng up as some bad-ass when really hes some dumb looking villian who is beaten by you 3 times (2 of which he has tons of backup), is stopped by a terminally ill drell, and fails to kill Miranda, who fights in spandex and high heels.

[ArchDuck]

Silver-Gryphon wrote...

For me it was because Kei leng deployed his plot armor twice, once on the citadel and then again on Thessia. Plot armor once is OK for me as it focuses my attentions on him to make the kill more satisfying but if you deploy it more than once then it starts to become a cheap joke.

Also as other people have said Saren was set up properly, having not read the books I didn't know who Kei Leng was nor why I should care.

I also was willing to let the citadel incident slide but the Thessia encounter was full on bull****. That SOB was dead 3 times over if it wasn't for his plot armour.

Saren on the other hand was much better done. He doesnt have full invulnerability like Kai Leng does. He leaves when you get him low enough instead of recharging. Also you can argue that Saren loses even if he survives but Kai Leng wins and survives.

Just rewatched the Saren scene and it was much better done then Kai Leng. He has some plot armour but it isn't any where near as obvious and rubbed in your face as Kai Leng's.

Modifié par ArchDuck, 22 avril 2012 - 07:52 .

[N7 MACK]

Did you not play ME1? It is completely different.

Watching videos of Virmire on YouTube do not count.

[The Night Mammoth]

Valentia X wrote...

Because the plot armour made Thane go borderline idiot (oh hay, let me strike a DRAMATIC POSE WITH A GUN instead of firing it like the non mentally-challenged badass I am) and the fact that we could easily kill him on several occasions but instead we have to watch Leng: Space Ballerina pirouette across the screen in defiance of basic storytelling and gameplay mechanics.

Win!

Although he also did this whilst having literally no personality, motivations, or just anything relatable to say or about him in general, whilst Saren was basically the complete opposite.

[Bill Casey]

Valentia X wrote...

Because the plot armour made Thane go borderline idiot (oh hay, let me strike a DRAMATIC POSE WITH A GUN instead of firing it like the non mentally-challenged badass I am) and the fact that we could easily kill him on several occasions but instead we have to watch Leng: Space Ballerina pirouette across the screen in defiance of basic storytelling and gameplay mechanics.

If you're going to be bothered by something like that, you probably should avoid fiction altogether...

[General User]

I think the real difference is that the game (and especially Shepard) treat the encounters with Kai Leng as though Lang won, but we (as the player) know better. We mopped the floor with KL on the Citadel and Thessia.  KL's "victories" are totally contrived.

Besides, the guy has a sword. I mean seriously... a sword!?!

Modifié par General User, 22 avril 2012 - 08:02 .

[bpzrn]

Kai Leng is a terible charachter, people complaine about everything with Kai Leng becuse its a dumb charachter for this series. He needs to go back to his Anime cartoon 

[Dutch105]

Valentia X wrote...

Because the plot armour made Thane go borderline idiot (oh hay, let me strike a DRAMATIC POSE WITH A GUN instead of firing it like the non mentally-challenged badass I am) and the fact that we could easily kill him on several occasions but instead we have to watch Leng: Space Ballerina pirouette across the screen in defiance of basic storytelling and gameplay mechanics.

As yes, basic storytelling and gameplay mechanics.  (read:  I would not have written it that way, therefore I am correct).

I'm afraid I liked that fight.  Much more satisfying than Kirrahe's death, and more emotionally engaging.

[Bill Casey]

I know, he's an annoying ****head with a sword...
You get to break his sword and then stab him...

The only problem is I couldn't call him "an emo girl with robot pants who thinks he's cooler than he is"...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 22 avril 2012 - 07:59 .

[IElitePredatorI]

Because Saren is Badass:



Kai Leng well... He just fails...

[Baihu1983]

Leng should have been a squad member in 2 to build up the tension between the 2.

[SolidisusSnake1]

I wish we fought Kai Leng from the books that would have been EPIC.

[Neeh]

Plot armor is just a lame argument for disliking something. It's like complaning you can't shoot random npc's at will. There simply are limits to how much you can branch a story and still keep it within certain points.

Sure, Leng wasn't portraied in the best way, but plot armor is the least of his issues imo.

[Zolt51]

Shepard Wins wrote...
Saren did not provoke a "WTF a ninja in space" reaction, he was actually a worthy opponet, had a proper introduction and was a charismatic villain.

I think you got it here. Leng isn't a villain. Just a distraction to slow you down before you get to the *real* villain.

[iRAWRasaurusREX]

Kai Leng? who is he? O here is an email about him...

[Kr0gan]

Nostalgia glasses, that's all.

[NoUserNameHere]

Neeh wrote...

Plot armor is just a lame argument for disliking something. It's like complaning you can't shoot random npc's at will. There simply are limits to how much you can branch a story and still keep it within certain points.

Sure, Leng wasn't portraied in the best way, but plot armor is the least of his issues imo.

Better writing can make plot armor less apparant, and therefore less of an issue.

Furinstance, have him legitimately kick Shepard's ass on Thessia. That's a start.

[warrior256]

Saren was a well developed character that I respected despite being my enemy. I would have been irritated if he had died on Virmire. In a way, I was glad to see him escape.

Kai Leng, on the other hand, was just there. I didn't know anything about him, nor did I view him as my equal. I was destroying him during the fight on Thessia. I almost never got hit during the fight. Yet for some reason I still ended up losing. If I don't view him as a serious threat to Shepard, then shouldn't I be annoyed when I am defeated by him?

[moater boat]

Bill Casey wrote...

I don't understand people's issue with Kai Leng...
You get to do this to him...

www.youtube.com/watch

It's very satisfying...

That wasn't at all satisfying to me. All I could think was "He tried to stab me! How is that a RENEGADE interrupt? Who wrote this crap?

[Raiil]

Bill Casey wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

Because the plot armour made Thane go borderline idiot (oh hay, let me strike a DRAMATIC POSE WITH A GUN instead of firing it like the non mentally-challenged badass I am) and the fact that we could easily kill him on several occasions but instead we have to watch Leng: Space Ballerina pirouette across the screen in defiance of basic storytelling and gameplay mechanics.

If you're going to be bothered by something like that, you probably should avoid fiction altogether...

Lol no. If they had given Leng more credibility as a badass space assassin (re: if my knowledge of him hadn't consisted 'this one dude I've heard mentioned in passing regarding the books') then it wouldn't have bothered me. He may have been supposed to come across as this mysterious, shadowy figure who thwarts us at every move. He comes off as an extra for a Power Ranger episode.

Honestly? Don't make him so easy to take down and then just give me Magic-Shield to whisk him away. He's some boring dude that most people have no knowledge of, and then people get annoyed because they're on the verge of killing him constantly and then he just putzes off. 

[Raiil]

Dutch105 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

Because the plot armour made Thane go borderline idiot (oh hay, let me strike a DRAMATIC POSE WITH A GUN instead of firing it like the non mentally-challenged badass I am) and the fact that we could easily kill him on several occasions but instead we have to watch Leng: Space Ballerina pirouette across the screen in defiance of basic storytelling and gameplay mechanics.

As yes, basic storytelling and gameplay mechanics.  (read:  I would not have written it that way, therefore I am correct).

I'm afraid I liked that fight.  Much more satisfying than Kirrahe's death, and more emotionally engaging.

To each their own, I suppose. If it had been Thane lining up a shot it would have made more sense, but instead he just stands there before engaging in a short fight. The fight itself was pretty good- I loved the biotic backhand, personally- but for some people, there's a moment of 'KRIOS, Y U NO PULL TRIGGER' followed by 'Why the hell can't I shoot Leng?!' or warp him, or throw him off the ledge with biotics, etc. 

/shrug I know, I know, cutscene power, etc etc. It can still be frustrating. Probably doubly so for anyone who romanced Thane.

[Silhouett3]

Why so much hate on Kai? He doesn't get much screen time either, does he?

Illusive Man needed a side-kick, an agent, a dumbed down representative pretty much like any evil-boss. This is common in Bioware titles also; Logain had Arl Howe, Darth Nihilus had Darth Sion, and in ME1 Saren had Benezia. Yes Kai Leng was introduced and handled relatively poorly but he is by far not along the reason ME3 fails.

[Turtlicious]

Kaelef wrote...

Saren's tall, scaly and handsome.

The geth reached a consensus.

They would ALL tap that.