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ME3: Extended Cut - Are We Being Lied To, Again?


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During the development of ME3, the devs stated and restated over and over again that multiplayer was NOT going to be included or they skirted the issue. This proved to be an outright fabrication as co-op WAS implemented. I have no problem with the MP. Hell, I love it! I've set aside such triple A multiplayer titles as Halo: Reach and Gears of War 3 to make time to play the ME3 co-op with my friends.

Getting to the point of this thread; does anyone else believe that the "official statement" given regarding the Extended Cut is another fallacy designed to provoke a widespread reaction? Is BioWare actually changing the ending in reality but instead of just telling us honestly they are telling us exactly what we don't want to hear so the ****storm only gets worse?

This is an extremely stupid move on their part if true, or maybe it's pure marketing genious. Who is to say? The amount of coverage this issue is getting is being spun into positive PR that would, in theory, improve the game's sales. Personally, I can only hope that the EC give ME3 the ending it deserves.

Discuss, and keep it clean for spirits' sake.

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FTL forums prevent constructive discussion.

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I hope we are being lied to if an ending change is what they're covering up. However I severely doubt it. I don't mind being lied to if it means I am to be surprised with something brilliant.

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No company intentional goes out to cause this kind of reaction. BW is going to have this black mark against them for years to come. Every game they produce will have the stigma of "what if its another ME3?" Its going to take a long time before their reputation can return.

DA2 had problems and layed the ground work for people being a little suspicious of BW (I personally was ok with DA2, but I'm being objective here) ME3 has confirmed a lot of people in the idea that BW is no longer the company they used to be. EC this summer is going to have to be a success for them to continue the flagship franchise and even then they will still need to rebuild their reputation through future games.

In the words of my old Communications professor,
"Trust is wonderful thing, but once broken it is never really the same."

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Perhaps, you are jumping to conclusions ? For now, and yes, even taking in account that EA is now the boss of Bioware, I will give them the benefit of the doubt, until the Extended Cut is out.

In any case, if this is something about a stupid PR move...well,better they shoot themselves in a feet, it will hurt less.

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nwj94 wrote...

No company intentional goes out to cause this kind of reaction. BW is going to have this black mark against them for years to come. Every game they produce will have the stigma of "what if its another ME3?" Its going to take a long time before their reputation can return.

As the old PR saying goes... there is no such thing as bad publicity.

Modifié par iVitriol, 22 avril 2012 - 07:52 .


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Who knows. All we can do is speculate.

Happy, Mac Walters?

Modifié par lordofdogtown19, 22 avril 2012 - 07:53 .


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I remain skeptical, they may suprise me and hope they do but I am not placing bets on the fact they will.

We literally will have to wait and see.

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It doesn't matter. A remake,extended cut etc are all fails. ME3 fail. EA fail. Biofail etc.

In all Honesty,the Take Earth Back CG cinematic kills the ending.(CG Take Earth Back is better) It May even be better then the entire game. It is hard to live up to that type of hype/advertisement.

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I think this is wishful thinking and we are just praying they change it, apart from anything else if you ****** off your fans and lots of them enough to have to change the end you dont lie about it cause that wont do you any good as a company

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Seeing how if its truly free and it utterly tanks, bioware is gonna loss at ton of rep and ea will prob just gut it in the next year or so. If people think something that is free is utter crap, it undercuts any chance at getting those people to buy DLC. Then again, if u would of told me a year ago any of this would of happened, i would of laughed at your face. Even now im in a sate of disbelief that a company like BA would drop the ball soooooo hard.

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I think they're trying to "change the ending without changing the ending". Meaning, the Catalyst scene will stay and so will the three options for the final choice, but everything else is up for grabs. The consequences of the choices will be adjusted, there will be more dialogue and exposition, and different kinds of aftermath cutscenes depending on your decisions and EMS, including something reasonably happy in specific circumstances.

The vagueness of the endings might actually work to everyone's advantage. For instance, "the relays aren't destroyed in Control" would be perfectly within the realm of "clarification".

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All Bioware have said is that they are working on a couple of cutscenes to clarify the ending. I am fairly confident that will turn out to be true.

It won't fix the problem but they won't have been lying.

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Again, it's not all BioWare's fault that the ending to ME3 was so badly done. EA is the company we should be targeting and thankfully we did just that by voting them the Worst Company in America. EA forced this whole situation upon BioWare to make the ending as open as possible to either make more money off the Mass Effect franchise and its characters with more games like ME4 or to charge people for future ME3 expansions.

EA knows they hit gold with BioWare's Mass Effect series and why would they end the Shepard Story, when they can make more money? The Extended Cut must succeed in order to win back the fans. It has the whole team working on it and it will only show us our war assets actually fighting in the battle and probably will include a lot more of everyone's love interest and squadmates because they know people love the characters the most and by making more scenes with them and having more romance moments with Shepard and the LI, it's a win-win situation to win back fans. There will be a few more Dialogue scenes/Cinematic scenes and maybe more dialogue options for Shepard when he comes face to face with the StarChild. Also, the Extended Cut is free because EA is in damage control mode and they know they need to have the fans and the media back on their side. There will be nothing added after Shepard takes a breath in the rubble because that is the window they created to coninue to make more games and expansions, so sadly this big cliffhanger will remain. Just my honest assumption of what is going on right now and what will go down in this Extended Cut DLC.

Modifié par FBI-Azzurri, 22 avril 2012 - 08:06 .


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Phillips94 wrote...

I think this is wishful thinking and we are just praying they change it, apart from anything else if you ****** off your fans and lots of them enough to have to change the end you dont lie about it cause that wont do you any good as a company

As I said above, there is no such thing as bad publicity.

Sparse wrote...

All Bioware have said is that they are working on a couple of cutscenes to clarify the ending. I am fairly confident that will turn out to be true.

It won't fix the problem but they won't have been lying.

Different devs have said different things. Gamble said it would be more than cutscenes.

Modifié par iVitriol, 22 avril 2012 - 08:05 .


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If they can somehow pull themselves out of this hole they dug, then that would be quite the accomplishment if I do say so myself.

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Bioware admit they messed up? Nah dont see it.

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Baihu1983 wrote...

Bioware admit they messed up? Nah dont see it.

Of course they wouldn't admit to it, they would BS around it like usual.

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The co-op mode would have been brilliant if only it effects the SP as it claimed to be.

Your character becomes part of your War Assets and your total Readiness Rating is multiplied by the Galactic Status.

Now these could have worked if the Final Mission isn't such a farse. Nothing you can do will change the outcome. You won't get additional cutscenes of Geth Dreadnouts / Quarian Fighters fighitng side by side. You'll never see cutscenes where Salarian Special Tasks Group infiltrates the Reaper ground hubs. You'll never see the Geth Primes, Krogan, and Turian helping to turn the tide of battle, etc etc.

Whatever you do it won't effect the outcome of the missions. You'll always be at a disadvantage and having Hammer Fleet wipe out.

Anyways yea... I feel like it'll be a broken promise - or a lie. Good thing is free.

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Ieldra2 wrote...

I think they're trying to "change the ending without changing the ending". Meaning, the Catalyst scene will stay and so will the three options for the final choice, but everything else is up for grabs. The consequences of the choices will be adjusted, there will be more dialogue and exposition, and different kinds of aftermath cutscenes depending on your decisions and EMS, including something reasonably happy in specific circumstances.

The vagueness of the endings might actually work to everyone's advantage. For instance, "the relays aren't destroyed in Control" would be perfectly within the realm of "clarification".


Control ending shows the relay breaking up...although it was a short clip.

  time 2:26-2:29

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They said straight up before the game was released your choices made through out the game will affect the ending.

They said straight up in the release announcement for the Extended Cut your choices made through out the game will affect the ending.

They said straight up they believe in the artistic vision of the ending and that they won't be changing it.

Which of these statements do you think will prove to be accurate? What exactly are you expecting from the EC? Because if it's something monumental, ground breaking or satisfying I think you're setting yourself up for disappointment.

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The Anti-Saint wrote...

Control ending shows the relay breaking up...although it was a short clip.

  time 2:26


Just another reason the ending sucks... Image IPB

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Dominus Solanum wrote...

They said straight up before the game was released your choices made through out the game will affect the ending.

They said straight up in the release announcement for the Extended Cut your choices made through out the game will affect the ending.

They said straight up they believe in the artistic vision of the ending and that they won't be changing it.

Which of these statements do you think will prove to be accurate? What exactly are you expecting from the EC? Because if it's something monumental, ground breaking or satisfying I think you're setting yourself up for disappointment.

The ending was the only thing about ME3 that I hated. Maybe I'm not hard to please. I loved the game for what it's worth, and am sorry you seem to have a stick up your ass over it.

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iVitriol wrote...

The Anti-Saint wrote...

Control ending shows the relay breaking up...although it was a short clip.

  time 2:26


Just another reason the ending sucks... Image IPB


Yup, but what can you do. A plane making a near flawless flight till the crash landing.

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The Anti-Saint wrote...

Yup, but what can you do. A plane making a flawless flight till the crash landing.

Analogy to suit ME3 right here. Image IPB