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[RocketManSR2]

For BioWare's sake, we'd better not be. Uh, not that I'm saying anything about any previous statements or anything.

[Phillips94]

iVitriol wrote...

Phillips94 wrote...

I think this is wishful thinking and we are just praying they change it, apart from anything else if you ****** off your fans and lots of them enough to have to change the end you dont lie about it cause that wont do you any good as a company

As I said above, there is no such thing as bad publicity.

Sparse wrote...

All Bioware have said is that they are working on a couple of cutscenes to clarify the ending. I am fairly confident that will turn out to be true.

It won't fix the problem but they won't have been lying.

Different devs have said different things. Gamble said it would be more than cutscenes.

But it has also said no new game play meaning cut scenes and dialogue

[sistersafetypin]

Dominus Solanum wrote...

They said straight up before the game was released your choices made through out the game will affect the ending.

They said straight up in the release announcement for the Extended Cut your choices made through out the game will affect the ending.

They said straight up they believe in the artistic vision of the ending and that they won't be changing it.

Which of these statements do you think will prove to be accurate? What exactly are you expecting from the EC? Because if it's something monumental, ground breaking or satisfying I think you're setting yourself up for disappointment.

Pretty much this. Even setting myself up for a dissapointment [which is the exact opposite way I went into ME3 the first time] I feel like I'm going to be let down.

I'm hoping setting the bar on the floor means Bioware wont trip and make it worse

[Oldbones2]

FBI-Azzurri wrote...

Again, it's not all BioWare's fault that the ending to ME3 was so badly done. EA is the company we should be targeting and thankfully we did just that by voting them the Worst Company in America. EA forced this whole situation upon BioWare to make the ending as open as possible to either make more money off the Mass Effect franchise and its characters with more games like ME4 or to charge people for future ME3 expansions.

EA knows they hit gold with BioWare's Mass Effect series and why would they end the Shepard Story, when they can make more money? The Extended Cut must succeed in order to win back the fans. It has the whole team working on it and it will only show us our war assets actually fighting in the battle and probably will include a lot more of everyone's love interest and squadmates because they know people love the characters the most and by making more scenes with them and having more romance moments with Shepard and the LI, it's a win-win situation to win back fans. There will be a few more Dialogue scenes/Cinematic scenes and maybe more dialogue options for Shepard when he comes face to face with the StarChild. Also, the Extended Cut is free because EA is in damage control mode and they know they need to have the fans and the media back on their side. There will be nothing added after Shepard takes a breath in the rubble because that is the window they created to coninue to make more games and expansions, so sadly this big cliffhanger will remain. Just my honest assumption of what is going on right now and what will go down in this Extended Cut DLC.

Don't blame EA.  A greedy corporation run by non gaming execs would have been fine with a boring conservative overdone ending that let them continue the franchise and sell lots of DLC.

Blame Bioware.  They went with an artsy, highminded piece of crap so they could take their art to the next level or something.


And the thing is Bioware can NEVER admit that the ending is bad.  Or that the ending was only done by 2 people with no review.  The time to own up to mistakes and admit fault is done.  Now all they can do is weather the storm and tough it out.

So no, I think they are being EXTREMELY truthful about what is in the DLC.  (can you imagine if they promised us stuff and didn't deliver again?  BOOM! there goes their customer base)  I think the extended cut will add some cutscenes, fleets in action, a little context, a little clarity of the three choices and their outcome, a little justification for their darling starchild and a whole bunch of "we say its true so that makes it true, hand waving" to clean up all the doom and gloom mess of the endings"

[Raizo]

I don't think they are intentionally lying to us since I think they genuinely want to please the fans but I don't think they truly grasp just how much of ME3 needs fixing. I don't think a few FMV's and fedw cutscenes will suddenly make everyone happy.

[Phillips94]

iVitriol wrote...

Phillips94 wrote...

But it has also said no new game play meaning cut scenes and dialogue

They never said that, they haven't said anyting at all really, which is what people are still pissed about.

well that and the words 'art' 'clarity' 'will not change the ending'

[FBI-Azzurri]

Oldbones2 wrote...

FBI-Azzurri wrote...

Again, it's not all BioWare's fault that the ending to ME3 was so badly done. EA is the company we should be targeting and thankfully we did just that by voting them the Worst Company in America. EA forced this whole situation upon BioWare to make the ending as open as possible to either make more money off the Mass Effect franchise and its characters with more games like ME4 or to charge people for future ME3 expansions.

EA knows they hit gold with BioWare's Mass Effect series and why would they end the Shepard Story, when they can make more money? The Extended Cut must succeed in order to win back the fans. It has the whole team working on it and it will only show us our war assets actually fighting in the battle and probably will include a lot more of everyone's love interest and squadmates because they know people love the characters the most and by making more scenes with them and having more romance moments with Shepard and the LI, it's a win-win situation to win back fans. There will be a few more Dialogue scenes/Cinematic scenes and maybe more dialogue options for Shepard when he comes face to face with the StarChild. Also, the Extended Cut is free because EA is in damage control mode and they know they need to have the fans and the media back on their side. There will be nothing added after Shepard takes a breath in the rubble because that is the window they created to coninue to make more games and expansions, so sadly this big cliffhanger will remain. Just my honest assumption of what is going on right now and what will go down in this Extended Cut DLC.

Don't blame EA.  A greedy corporation run by non gaming execs would have been fine with a boring conservative overdone ending that let them continue the franchise and sell lots of DLC.

Blame Bioware.  They went with an artsy, highminded piece of crap so they could take their art to the next level or something.


And the thing is Bioware can NEVER admit that the ending is bad.  Or that the ending was only done by 2 people with no review.  The time to own up to mistakes and admit fault is done.  Now all they can do is weather the storm and tough it out.

So no, I think they are being EXTREMELY truthful about what is in the DLC.  (can you imagine if they promised us stuff and didn't deliver again?  BOOM! there goes their customer base)  I think the extended cut will add some cutscenes, fleets in action, a little context, a little clarity of the three choices and their outcome, a little justification for their darling starchild and a whole bunch of "we say its true so that makes it true, hand waving" to clean up all the doom and gloom mess of the endings"

You have it all wrong my friend....

Read this post explaining why EA is the reason the ending sucked: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11193774

Modifié par FBI-Azzurri, 22 avril 2012 - 08:52 .

[Pelle6666]

I expect only one thing from a company like Bioware; that they supply me with awesome games like ME 1, 2 and 2.99 and DA:O. That's all they need to do to market themselves and make me buy their next titles! Now I'm not sure if I want to do that!

[Linkenski]

Well adding a new choice at where you don't die/destroy all mass relays in the catalyst scene, wouldn't be "changing" the ending would it? I hope that they were vague enough to make something like that happen.

Then again, many have calmed down since they confirmed the DLC, so maybe they're not changing their minds about changing it.

[Ahms]

There's a very important life lesson that everybody needs to learn when they're little children and be reminded of until the day they die:

Don't only pay attention to what people say, watch what they do. If what they say and what they do don't match, they shouldn't be trusted.

[seedubya85]

they're using everybody hating the ending as a marketing thing now. so probably not

[lillitheris]

Wasn't this exact thread title up a few days ago?

[goose2989]

An English Gamer wrote...

I hope we are being lied to if an ending change is what they're covering up. However I severely doubt it. I don't mind being lied to if it means I am to be surprised with something brilliant.

Same here, but after what we've seen, I doubt we'll be pleasantly surprised 

[BadgerladDK]

iVitriol wrote...

nwj94 wrote...

No company intentional goes out to cause this kind of reaction. BW is going to have this black mark against them for years to come. Every game they produce will have the stigma of "what if its another ME3?" Its going to take a long time before their reputation can return.

As the old PR saying goes... there is no such thing as bad publicity.

That *is* an old saying. And a saying for an old age. It's questionable if it were ever really true, but these days it almost certainly isn't. In the old days when that saying came about, information tended to get buried, and people could forget why exactly your name sounded familiar, hence good publicity. However, these days a familiar name is just a google search away, and the advantage of your name being familiar is gone if that search turns up negative reasons for the familiarity.

So I tend to agree with the post you quoted: No company comprised of moderately sane individuals deliberately shoots itself in the foot repeatedly.

[CELL55]

After the lies preceding ME3, I have no more trust. Will the Extended Cut be good? I just don't know. I can't know.