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[RocketManSR2]

Taboo-XX wrote...

To be honest from what I have inferred from Mr. Gamble's tweets Casey was driving force behind making this DLC free. That's a big freaking deal guys. No it doesn't make everything better but it makes me less suspicious of him. Remember that his credibility as a project director has been hurt here and it will relect on every project he does afterword.

Well, I made sure that I didn't say it like it was fact. I really hoped that isn't what's going on. If what you posted is right, there's hope for the EC, yet.

[Taboo]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

To be honest from what I have inferred from Mr. Gamble's tweets Casey was driving force behind making this DLC free. That's a big freaking deal guys. No it doesn't make everything better but it makes me less suspicious of him. Remember that his credibility as a project director has been hurt here and it will relect on every project he does afterword.

Well, I made sure that I didn't say it like it was fact. I really hoped that isn't what's going on. If what you posted is right, there's hope for the EC, yet.

I sit and think about things like this where I come from in the film world. When an important director makes a mistake and has a bad movie he can always make up for it with another one. What Casey Hudson cannot do is make up for botching a game in a large capacity simply because the medium is different. People have spent hundreds of hours with these games and the entire experience is ruined for them with this current ending. It isn't like a bad film that only last two hours, that experience will disappear after several hours or days. What happened with Mass Effect is much, much worse. I am still here, over a month later because I am STILL in pain. I cannot imagine what kind of stress that puts on the Bioware team. You cannot simply overrhaul everything in the ending, as that would take quite a bit of time. But you CAN overrhaul dialouge, switch it about and add more things. I've seen entire films change with a bit of reworking (check out all those versions of Blade Runner) and unless the narrative form has changed within the time Mass Effect 3 was released I KNOW they can fix it in some capacity. Give them some time and see what happens. I'll be addressing these concerns with a project of my own soon enough.

[tinman888]

Taboo-XX wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

To be honest from what I have inferred from Mr. Gamble's tweets Casey was driving force behind making this DLC free. That's a big freaking deal guys. No it doesn't make everything better but it makes me less suspicious of him. Remember that his credibility as a project director has been hurt here and it will relect on every project he does afterword.

Well, I made sure that I didn't say it like it was fact. I really hoped that isn't what's going on. If what you posted is right, there's hope for the EC, yet.

I sit and think about things like this where I come from in the film world. When an important director makes a mistake and has a bad movie he can always make up for it with another one. What Casey Hudson cannot do is make up for botching a game in a large capacity simply because the medium is different. People have spent hundreds of hours with these games and the entire experience is ruined for them with this current ending. It isn't like a bad film that only last two hours, that experience will disappear after several hours or days. What happened with Mass Effect is much, much worse. I am still here, over a month later because I am STILL in pain. I cannot imagine what kind of stress that puts on the Bioware team. You cannot simply overrhaul everything in the ending, as that would take quite a bit of time. But you CAN overrhaul dialouge, switch it about and add more things. I've seen entire films change with a bit of reworking (check out all those versions of Blade Runner) and unless the narrative form has changed within the time Mass Effect 3 was released I KNOW they can fix it in some capacity. Give them some time and see what happens. I'll be addressing these concerns with a project of my own soon enough.

I do appreciate optimism, but here I think it might be a lost cause.

I'm not going into this with many expectations, it's hard to 'clarify' a train wreck.

I too will wait until the DLC comes out so I can be absolutely sure whether to buy anything from Bioware again or not.

[Taboo]

You know when they talk about movie magic and the magic of editing? It can transform quite a bit if you put effort into it. From a financial standpoint what they are doing amazes me. They are hiring voice actors (Hale and Meer obviously) and will probably bring everyone else in for a decent amount of dialogue (not a novel's worth but enough to certainly get info). You CAN do this. I've done it myself. I wouldn't still be here if I thought it was a lost cause.

[macrocarl]

I think thr SP bug for war assets and not being able to hit the 4000 or 5000 was an honest bug.

[shepskisaac]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Mr. Gamble has been responding to tweets not as PR but as a person and it's to the point that it unnerves me a bit. He really seems hurt by what has happened here. All people ever do is throw **** in his face too. He knows he messed up and it shows. He's really stepped up to plate here, moreso than Hudson and Walters.

Who are nowhere to be found. Casey and Mac are apparently quite content to let others take the heat for decisions they possibly made without the team's input. That sure as hell better not be the case. That's not fair to Mike and the others.

Take the heat for them? Have you seen what kind of stuff is tweeted to Casey and Mac? Comapre it to Patrick Weekes who recieves nothing but nice things or even Mike Gamble, who gets flack but still nothing comparable to the insults Casey & Mac are getting.

Taboo-XX wrote...

To be honest from what I have inferred from Mr. Gamble's tweets Casey was driving force behind making this DLC free.

What tweets you're talking about?

Modifié par IsaacShep, 23 avril 2012 - 01:22 .

[devSin]

I think the statements are accurate. They're not trying to deceive you.

However, I do believe they are playing with semantics. As others have stated, when they say they're not changing the ending, they actually mean they're not changing the plot.

So the plot isn't going to change (which means no hallucination or totally new choice), but everything else can. And because so little is actually defined, they have the freedom to change basically everything that happens after you pick control, synthesis, or destroy. (They'll say it what's they always intended to have happen, but I won't believe them, at least not for all the new content.)

That said, I'm far less optimistic than some of the people who've posted up above. They clearly can, but I'm afraid they're not going to.

[Taboo]

The tweets are more personal inferences with Mr. Gamble saying that Mr. Hudson was directly involved. I cannot for the life of me believe that Casey believed that he could get away with this without making it free. That's what I would do.

[Oldbones2]

Taboo-XX wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

To be honest from what I have inferred from Mr. Gamble's tweets Casey was driving force behind making this DLC free. That's a big freaking deal guys. No it doesn't make everything better but it makes me less suspicious of him. Remember that his credibility as a project director has been hurt here and it will relect on every project he does afterword.

Well, I made sure that I didn't say it like it was fact. I really hoped that isn't what's going on. If what you posted is right, there's hope for the EC, yet.

I sit and think about things like this where I come from in the film world. When an important director makes a mistake and has a bad movie he can always make up for it with another one. What Casey Hudson cannot do is make up for botching a game in a large capacity simply because the medium is different. People have spent hundreds of hours with these games and the entire experience is ruined for them with this current ending. It isn't like a bad film that only last two hours, that experience will disappear after several hours or days. What happened with Mass Effect is much, much worse. I am still here, over a month later because I am STILL in pain. I cannot imagine what kind of stress that puts on the Bioware team. You cannot simply overrhaul everything in the ending, as that would take quite a bit of time. But you CAN overrhaul dialouge, switch it about and add more things. I've seen entire films change with a bit of reworking (check out all those versions of Blade Runner) and unless the narrative form has changed within the time Mass Effect 3 was released I KNOW they can fix it in some capacity. Give them some time and see what happens. I'll be addressing these concerns with a project of my own soon enough.

That assumes that they want to 'fix' it. 

But the sad truth is that they love the ending as is. 

They're not trying to change the opinion to fit our views, they're trying to win us over to their ending by making (hugely sarcastic here) EVEN MORE PERFECT!!!!

[crimzontearz]

anything is possible....Bioware did the same for the NG+ feature is ME2 remember?

[Edrick1976]

They have told us they are NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE ENDING!!! So if people are hoping for a new ending thats on them and not on BioWare.

[Ieldra]

The Anti-Saint wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I think they're trying to "change the ending without changing the ending". Meaning, the Catalyst scene will stay and so will the three options for the final choice, but everything else is up for grabs. The consequences of the choices will be adjusted, there will be more dialogue and exposition, and different kinds of aftermath cutscenes depending on your decisions and EMS, including something reasonably happy in specific circumstances.

The vagueness of the endings might actually work to everyone's advantage. For instance, "the relays aren't destroyed in Control" would be perfectly within the realm of "clarification".

Control ending shows the relay breaking up...although it was a short clip.

  time 2:26-2:29

See my analysis of the situation. The relays not being destroyed (though eventually somewhat damaged) in Control is a perfectly viable interpretation.

[Doctoglethorpe]

Are we being lied to?  Maybe.  Probably.  Who knows?  I'm certainly not gonna just take them at their word anymore.   Fool me once, blah blah blah.  

They can suprise me by doing a good job and fixing things and I'll be happy, but until that happens I'm going to assume the worst.  Its only fair.  Can't rightfully expect everyone to put faith in the people that just fed them a kiloton of bull****.  Well, you can expect that from some sheep.  But not everyone.  And if they think "well then **** you buddy" because I don't trust them anymore, well all I have to say to that is "I'm not your buddy anymore, guy." 

[CroGamer002]

I wish.

[Zolt51]

Well, the official statement being vague as it is, it's hard to see how they could lie on it. Except maybe by making the whole EC a 10 hour-long conversation loop of the Catalyst trolling Shepard.

[Zolt51]

Edington wrote...

They have told us they are NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE ENDING!!! So if people are hoping for a new ending thats on them and not on BioWare.

True too... at least stick to the word of their official communique, which says... practically nothing, in fact.

Modifié par Zolt51, 23 avril 2012 - 02:10 .

[Unit-Alpha]

If they screw over their hardcore fanbase again, they'll soon find that the massive free marketing machine they had before is now gone.

[Xellith]

Real life indoctrination.!

[Virgil0211]

iVitriol wrote...

As the old PR saying goes... there is no such thing as bad publicity.

I'm willing to bet that this is something of a simplification. Surely, good publicity is better than bad publicity. It's doubtful that any PR firm would willingly embrace or encourage the latter. What it probably means is that bad publicity is better than no publicity. So long as people are paying attention, there's a chance you can turn around the impression while they're looking and salvage some business out of it. You can't do that if nobody knows who you are or even to look in the first place. 

Bioware has plenty of good publicity. They don't need to settle for bad publicity instead of no publicity. With that in mind, I don't think the old PR saying applies here. :-P 

[dbt-kenny]

I am not sorry but the extended cut will just not cut it will me. They can explain all they want it will still be the same pick a door ending.
WE were told this would not happen. So until the full rewright then ending to take account of the actions in the game and so is not pick a door ending.

EA and BW bosses and say what they like.

I will ignore it till they deliver it.

[Swordfishtrombone]

I sure hope they are lying about what they'll do with the extended cut!

Oh, if only they were lying, and we'd find out that in fact, they were getting rid of that starbrat, the source of almost all the problems with the ending.

I don't think they are though, because I don't see how willingly inspiring this sort of a fan rage that's been going on, and then fueling it further with an anouncement of the extended cut that ignored the major problems people have been pointing out, could be considered good marketing strategy. Contrary to what is sometimes said, not all publicity is good publicity.

[Ultra Prism]

Some wounds are too deep ... there will always be scars ... just ME3 ....it will be healed by extended cut may be ... but still scars will remain and everyone will remember this moment of their lives when games utterly fails expectations