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[kevinwastaken]

My gf is like Branka... she led her whole family into a cave and they died. Uncanny...

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Ive come to realize i may have given Morrigan to much credit

[LordIxliam]

One thing I found interesting with Morrigan is that at the end (male character) she asks you to lie with her, if you follow some of the other choices/options - I think "So you want to have my child" and "Isn't there another way", she goes into a bit more depth. If you romanced her she will tell you that she wants you to be the father, regardless of if there were a thousand grey wardens there. Since I had romanced Leiliana, she had several things where told me "What would she say, would she want you to go off and die, her beloved ?" She can really lay on the guilt, but even in there you do see some of her softer side creeping though. I picture her more of a female version of Raistlin from Dragonlance.

[HoLyEmperor]

LordIxliam wrote...
She can really lay on the guilt, but even in there you do see some of her softer side creeping though. I picture her more of a female version of Raistlin from Dragonlance.

So, Gully Dwarves will be safe around her... good to know!  

[KnightofPhoenix]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

Ive come to realize i may have given Morrigan to much credit

haha Good one.

[Statulos]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

Statulos wrote...

Ayn Rand´s bs is just that, bs. If every human followed a purely nihilist approach to life we´d still be living in caves.

No idea who Ayn rand is

Nihilism isnt in my eyes about removing positive values, but to remove negative, unnecessary and trivial values not based on truth. And break down reality to what is 100% proven. Nihilism is objective truth and is only negative when used for subjective purposes based on peoples egos. It isnt destructive or bad in itself.

Edit: What IS bad is wasting life on anything not proven by science. Ergo basing your life on lies. This isnt noble, good or positive in anyway and if people all follow this path, then welcome to the dark ages v.2

Sry for offtopic in my own thread but i feel you mentioned nihilism as something negative.

Nihinilism is not that. Nihilism, as it own ethimology shows is the denial of the existence of any objetive truth or at least, the denial of any capacity to know that truth. In the end it´s the denial of the objetive value of anything, scientifical knowledge included.

[LightSabres]

LordIxliam wrote...

I picture her more of a female version of Raistlin from Dragonlance.

I see her similarly but going in the opposite direction.  Both love Power - Raistlin's comes as a result of his lifetime of physical weakness - especially compared to Caramon.  Morrigan was only ever weak compared to her "mother" who taught her to love power.  By romancing her in game you show her (successfully or not) that not everything Flemmeth taught her is true - there is a different way of seeing things than her "mother's".  She seems to be evolving past her upbringing throughout the game but a lifetime of brainwashing cannot be erased so easily.

[a1021]

morrigan tried to manipulate me, she lied to me from the beginning, because in the end she says that the whole thing with the demon-child was the only reason flemeth send her with me. the whole act with that she didn't want to go was a deceit. then in the end she even asks me to persuade my boyfriend into sleeping with her. morrigan is a terrible person. i don't really know what some people see in her. i certainly wouldn't want to be like her or have a friend like her.

she delights in seeing the circle and the lifes of the mages destroyed, asks me to kill wynne just out of spite. she wants me to abandon redcliffe to a horde of undead. morrigan is just a bad person, nothing more... no, i don't really see any redeeming qualities in her, she's not even funny most of the time. nobody should be like her in rl.

[EricHVela]

Too few girls like Morrigan in real life are too many.

Modifié par ReggarBlane, 07 décembre 2009 - 07:45 .

[Volourn]

"Spitting in the face of religion isn't a good thing. It shows that you disrespect people who are different from you, or who have different beliefs. Even if you don't believe other people's beliefs, you should respect their right to live the way they want to. Why should Morrigan be respected if she doesn't show respect herself?



More like she is intolerant. Another proof of this is when she thinks all the mages in the Circle Tower should be killed simply for being sheep and because they do not live like her."



Oh, please. She's not the one intoelrant. The Chantry, Circle Mages, and Tempalrs are the one who show intolerance towards Morirgan and other apostates. They criminalize them, they turn their brains into mush, and/or flat out murde rthem. Why the heck should Morrigan be tolerant towards those who want to see her dead. The whole point of the religion is to villify mages like Morrigan.



Question: Should you respect anothers' belief if that belief includes you being dtermined to be deserving of being 'murdered' in the name of religion? I hope not.



Morrigan is 100% in the right to show disdain towards the Circle Mages who allow themselves to be used as weapon against apostates, and she certainly has every right to despite the Chantry.

[Lotion Soronarr]

HoLyEmperor wrote...
On the other hand, Wynne is the only character who has attacked me for stepping outside of her views.  She's just as much locked in her worldview as Morrigan.  Not that I blame Wynne, really, but it's not necessarily "evil" or "wrong" to want to make sure no blood mages or abominations get out of the Tower.  The templar commander outside certainly isn't "evil" and he called for Annulment, thinking he was taking a good and right course of action.  Her intolerence of Apostates (try taking Morrigan into the tower when you first meet Wynne) is thoroughly dogmatic and irrational.  Just saying.

Leliana, on the other hand, expresses doubt about Chantry dogma and actually is willing to form her own conclusions.  Likewise when she's faced with her past.  She deals with it and moves on.  To me, she's actually the most mature of the characters despite her significant self doubts.  Alistair, on the other hand, is more or less crippled by his self doubts.

Not the only one. Other characters can attack you too.

But why are you surprised. You basicly go.. "Hurrr..I'm gonan go and kill all your friend, all the kiddies that you tutor and love. LOLZ."
Do you really expect her to let you do that? you're there to kill her family and you say that t oher face. How di you expect her to react...really..

[BGNation27]

 I like her, but she makes me mad since I always lose rep with her.  If there was a way to change her to the point of view to help people for the sake of helping them then she would be a lot more tolerable to take along.  She always has to have some sort of reason that will help her in order to help someone else.  For instance when you first pick her up she says she would have saved the prince so she could ransom him instead of you.  

[EricHVela]

So... Morrigan is right for wanting to kill the religious zealots that think she should die just because their belief says so. Just making sure whether you're equating this to some real life situation or not.

[Volourn]

"Not the only one. Other characters can attack you too.



But why are you surprised. You basicly go.. "Hurrr..I'm gonan go and kill all your friend, all the kiddies that you tutor and love. LOLZ."

Do you really expect her to let you do that? you're there to kill her family and you say that t oher face. How di you expect her to react...really.."



Wynne threatens to murder you even if you just refuse her entry into your party. She is extremely egotistical in the tower. Her way or no way. Murderous witch.

[Duck and Cover]

strong integrity? I think not. I find too many women like that in real life. Women who use me for their own means. I have no desire to be with a woman like that irl.

[ReubenLiew]

Well yeah.

How many girls do you see these days that can turn into bears?

[Malificis]

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Modifié par Malificis, 07 décembre 2009 - 08:13 .

[HoLyEmperor]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...


Not the only one. Other characters can attack you too.

But why are you surprised. You basicly go.. "Hurrr..I'm gonan go and kill all your friend, all the kiddies that you tutor and love. LOLZ."
Do you really expect her to let you do that? you're there to kill her family and you say that t oher face. How di you expect her to react...really..

I said Wynne is the only character who HAS attacked me.  

And I also said I understand her position, but there's more to the dialogue than Morrigan advising Annulment.  Wynne is livid when she finds out Morrigan is a mage outside the circle.  And, as I noted, siding with the Templars isn't necessarily an "evil" or "wrong" choice.  I don't support Morrigan's intolerence of the Chantry or Circle Mages just as much as I don't support the Chantry's intolerence of apostates.  Both involve rigid, limited perspectives based on stereotypes and fear.

(As a sidenote, you would think Morrigan would advise killing all the Templars so that the mages could be free.  Hmmm).

[GoldenusG]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...


Edit: What IS bad is wasting life on anything not proven by science. Ergo basing your life on lies. This isnt noble, good or positive in anyway and if people all follow this path, then welcome to the dark ages v.2

Modern day science is well on its way to proving that EVERYTHIING you can eat causes cancer.  Its also an accepted likelihood that what science knows today will eventually be disproved, or at least proven flawed.


As for Morrigan, she's a self-serving bint who would be perfectly happy to slaughter anyone in the way of her goals - whatever they may be.

Morrigan:  You took 10 seconds out of your day to help people at no expense to yourself!  Thats not right!  Goody-little-two-shoes!  Goody-little-two-shoes!  I hate you!  I hope you go to hell!  I hope you go to hell and you die!


...  THAT is who she reminds me of!  Gah!  Been bugging me for a while - she's Cartman!

[ReubenLiew]

Wrongo!

She's a HAWT Cartman!

[TrinityDivine]

PinkShira wrote...

Forget Morrigan.. where is my real life Alistair dang it?!!!!

I'm with ya sistah!

I don't care if I never meet a Morrigan in real life but I sure wouldn't mind meeting a real life honest to goodness Alistair!!!

And by the way, I never had a use for Morrigan in the game and would have kicked her out of the group if she weren't so useful in the end.

[Volourn]

"As for Morrigan, she's a self-serving bint who would be perfectly happy to slaughter anyone in the way of her goals - whatever they may be."



You just described the Tower Mages, Chantry, templars, Dwarves, Duncan,Elves, Wynne, Alistair, PC, and every other character in the game. *shrug*

[Tianwyn]

As a character, I find Morrigan interesting and well-written. As a "person," I find her to be a shallow woman who tries to cover this up with a facade of sarcasm. After the mystery of her past was (to an extent) stripped away, she seemed very immature - the story of the mirror was what decided my opinion. She is limited by her upbringing rather than moving past it. Even at the end, it seemed she was still Flemeth's puppet in a sense. In this regard, she differs from BG2's Viconia, who changes over the course of the game.



I know plenty of women like Morrigan - my family is full of them. Intelligent, beautiful, entertaining, but ultimately shallow and unable to move past the influence of their early lives. And way too obsessed with shiny objects.

[Tianwyn]

You just described the Tower Mages, Chantry, templars, Dwarves, Duncan,Elves, Wynne, Alistair, PC, and every other character in the game. *shrug*

But just because they're wrong doesn't mean that Morrigan isn't equally misguided. At certain points in the game I just wanted to let both sides have at each other.

[Malificis]

Lol amusing OP. I wont provide examples unless requested as it would be an essay. Assume i know what im talking about. I do.

1) She is deeply flawed. An extreme superiority complex which would have you shunned from GENERAL society (see point 4) / strong malignant narcissism / deeply isolationist / highly insecure / incapable of understanding society / unwilling to compromise even when it would be smart to do so / intolerant (sometimes to the point of ridiculous) / often incapable of controlling emotion and even faked pleasantries even for personal gain.

Flemeth had it right when you go to fight her. Read/listen to what she says.



2) All of her actions whether good or bad can be explained by her own experiences and lack of them. She is the extreme of a personality which does exist in the real world. The reason it does not is because magic does not exist. Magic is a major factor in allowing someone like Morrigan to exist and act as she does. Also, great physical beauty does not normally coincide with great intellectual prowess.



3) Stop dreaming. She would laugh at you and throw you aside like a wet tissue.



4) Evolution has made sure the number of Morrigan-esque personas which exist are extremely extremely low. It is a personality type which only really exists in the very rich and powerful, and beautiful (often all 3 required) - those who do not necessarily require the same traits to live and breed as average people.

E.g. if you acted like Morrigan (to the same extent or similar extent!), unless you had these requirements (societal power and money taking place of magic/beauty remaining as it is, but a classy kind) you could not really exist in society and succeed.

Point proven by so many girls liking Alistair. They like him because hed be a fantastic parent and husband. The sex is a moot point here.I like Morrigan, sure. Many guys do. Why? Would you want a relationship with her? REALLY? Don't kid yourself. The sex is fine. You KNOW it wouldn't work though. Alistair is the total opposite of Morrigan. Alistair-type works in society because he is fairly selfless and someone who will benefit civilization. Morrigan is too far the other way - a lesser and more compromising, less flawed version of her is what is often found in many very successful people in life, but go too far and you'll burn.