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[Vidar81]

I'm really not sure why so many people dislike morrigan I never had a problem keeping her approval high (even without givcing her shineys) she disapproves of you helping redcliff but it makes sense if you think about how much help is redcliff able offer you if they get wiped out without you? they are weak and not worth the time or risk to gain the help of people who can't even help themselves... the same way she approves if you kill the dalish to get the assistance of the werewolves power=good weakness=bad it's more of a primal philosophy then any real person has but look at her background personally i think her character is really well done (I rarely romance her since i think the friendship dialogue is a lot more interesting)



and reading through these posts where did people get the idea she seeks immortality if you talk to her when returning the first grimorie it's clear that's not even possible for her the child is obviously for something else that probably hasn't even been mentioned in-game. my suspicions are she's trying to resurrect worship of the old gods (child will have their power without the bestial nature of the dragon)

[PinkShira]

Lughsan35 wrote...

PinkShira wrote...

Forget Morrigan.. where is my real life Alistair dang it?!!!!

I'm right here :innocent:

Oooooo, now if only I found you under my Christmas tree wrapped only in a bow when I wake up Christmas morning.
:innocent:

[menasure]

i like the style of morrigan because she's makes no serious effort to cover up her feelings about something ... her sarcasm is hardly meant to misguide, she just enjoys that ... which actually makes her less manipulative than 90% of the women i know.
sure she's hiding stuff and i even suspect her to be a lesser form of an abomination or maybe a simplified a copy of a more devious flemeth but she does not hesitate to answer even if the answer is that you don't get one. if she does not want to talk then she will not talk and i can respect that.

however call her whatever you want, i bet this topic would not even exist if it was flemeth's face talking to us in game instead of an attractive woman -we are biologically programmed to be hypocrit- but i'll tell you one thing: i'll never like a big spider in my bed no matter what LOL.

Modifié par menasure, 07 décembre 2009 - 08:58 .

[red8x]

Alistair is only good for one thing - you marry him, put him on the throne, then divorce him to take half of the kingdom.

Modifié par red8x, 07 décembre 2009 - 09:02 .

[tausra]

I liked Morrigan, she may lie and manipulate but throughout the game and life all people do the same. She hates the Chantry, because it tells people how to think and act, rather than letting them choose for themselves. She believes all things should be free, especially if they're unique or powerful, the spirit of the Archdemon is both. All this being said I still prefer Leliana, she's been around and knows the world. She trusts and loves, which often gets her hurt. She's a romantic, and thats the best part.

[menasure]

red8x wrote...

Alistair is only good for one thing - you marry him, put him on the throne, then divorce him to take half of the kingdom.

hehe with his kind of succes amongst the women here he would know that game all too well. i would read the marriage contract before i signed it if i were you, who knows there might be a part about a big pyre in the fine print hahaha.

[Jacks-Up]

Kuravid wrote...

She's also defensive, narcissistic, insecure and hostile.

What woman isn't?

[red8x]

menasure wrote...

red8x wrote...

Alistair is only good for one thing - you marry him, put him on the throne, then divorce him to take half of the kingdom.

hehe with his kind of succes amongst the women here he would know that game all too well. i would read the marriage contract before i signed it if i were you, who knows there might be a part about a big pyre in the fine print hahaha.

lol

Alistair prenup +10 approval?

[Kuravid]

Raxtoren wrote...

And here I thought Morrigan was the product of a mother creating a child in her own image.

i.e. really screwed up.

The relationship between Morrigan and Flemeth is like the ultimate narcissistic family relationship.

[CarlSpackler]

Well written character, enjoyed her throughout the game... but very little I admired about her. Quite the contrary.

[Statulos]

Tianwyn wrote...

As a character, I find Morrigan interesting and well-written. As a "person," I find her to be a shallow woman who tries to cover this up with a facade of sarcasm. After the mystery of her past was (to an extent) stripped away, she seemed very immature - the story of the mirror was what decided my opinion. She is limited by her upbringing rather than moving past it. Even at the end, it seemed she was still Flemeth's puppet in a sense. In this regard, she differs from BG2's Viconia, who changes over the course of the game.

I know plenty of women like Morrigan - my family is full of them. Intelligent, beautiful, entertaining, but ultimately shallow and unable to move past the influence of their early lives. And way too obsessed with shiny objects.

Viconia started changing in BG2, when you basicaly help her understanding that love does not make you week, and that love may bring you to accomplish great deeds. I specially loved her dialogue about how misserable and weak she felt about her brother´s sacrifice; and how your pc can turn the meaning of that action into an "act of strength" by refusing Lolth´s will and following her own instead. But then again, that is in BG2 and ToB: not in the first game.

So for Morrigan, maybe we´ll see her own baggage unpacked, her perceptions shattered to pieces and a deep, brutal change in her perception in further games.

In a non-love related way, you could do the same with Sarevok and change him a lot in ToB too. And well; Mazzi and Korgan could get that too...

And damn! I´d like to be capable of "destroying" and "corrupting" a good companion just like you could with Anomen. It would be marbellous to turn Alistair or Leliana into blunt realists and cold-hearted beings into further games. Like I said in some other thread, it´s great to see that you can actually change some of your companion´s perceptions through the game and if the sequels feature the same (or at least part) of these companions, I´d like the posibility of changing their attitudes completely like you could in BG series and you actually can with companions such as Shale or Sten.

Malificis wrote...
Point proven by so many girls liking
Alistair. They like him because hed be a fantastic parent and husband.
The sex is a moot point here.I like Morrigan, sure. Many guys do. Why?
Would you want a relationship with her? REALLY? Don't kid yourself. The
sex is fine. You KNOW it wouldn't work though. Alistair is the total
opposite of Morrigan. Alistair-type works in society because he is
fairly selfless and someone who will benefit civilization. Morrigan is
too far the other way - a lesser and more compromising, less flawed
version of her is what is often found in many very successful people in
life, but go too far and you'll burn.

Alistair is one of my "real human" (I love extreme personalities in fiction; people like Sten or Morrigan are great to participate in plots and narration, but not in real life) fave chararcters.
He´s insecure, humble, and has a very clear appreciation of himself as not knowing a lot about the world out there. And at the same time, he´s also nice, passionate, and capable of executing some really good critial thought; especially with religion (he crearly states him to belive in the Maker, but also takes the Chantry´s teachings with a grain of salt). He has also been through very nasty situations and still, he´s capable of laughing even at his own personal tragedies (I laughed a LOT when he makes fun of himself being "brought up by very religuios mabari dogs) .

Still, my fave "plausible personality" is Oghren: he´s a destroyed person who cannot find any meaning to nothing. Your pc is just the little push he needs to respect himself again and turn his "killing machine" capacities into something meaningful. I loved his final words not caring about death (and in the surface!), but about sending as many darkspawn to hell as possible.

Modifié par Statulos, 08 décembre 2009 - 12:15 .

[II Relics II]

If I could put a gag in her mouth whenever I wanted then maybe the relationship could work.

[I Valente I]

As sexy as Morrigan's character is...I wouldn't want for an actual relationship. Still though, her character is intruiging unlike any characters you see this days in both fiction and real life.

[MassEffect762]

Original182 wrote...

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

She is honest, always says what she means about people.

Um she lied to the grey warden about the real purpose of Flemeth saving them. She even did an academy award performance in acting shocked that Flemeth sent her away. So she's about as honest as everyone else, and that doesn't particularly make her unique.

She uses sarcasm, considered intelligent and witty humor by most.

Using sarcasm is actually a sign of weakness, and shows you lack social skills. It's not a good thing.

She spits in the face of religion and people living in its lies,  she hates the weakminded feeble sheep that follows such stupidity. Meaning she is strongwilled and sees the world for what it is.

Spitting in the face of religion isn't a good thing. It shows that you disrespect people who are different from you, or who have different beliefs. Even if you don't believe other people's beliefs, you should respect their right to live the way they want to. Why should Morrigan be respected if she doesn't show respect herself?

More like she is intolerant. Another proof of this is when she thinks all the mages in the Circle Tower should be killed simply for being sheep and because they do not live like her.

She has one of the greatest traits of wisdom a person can possess, critical thinking.

She hates the Chantry, yet has no problem joining forces with the Andraste Cult. More like Morrigan has some case of insanity going on, and if she reveals critical thinking, it is just the case of monkeys and typewriters. Eventually, she WILL say  something that can be considered intelligent. People have even joked with the "Morrigan disapproves" because it is so random and seems to have no logic.

But at best, I don't find her particularly any more intelligent than other people.

Allthough she seeks immortality (wont spoil how here) who wouldnt? Its self preservation and anyone would do the same. Unless they are some self rightious idiot (Yes you would have to be an idiot to turn down immortality, and royally so)

That's more like a case of an intolerant petulant teenager going on. Immortality is cool, and if people disagree, they are idiots and self-righteous. Therefore I'm right. Me me me me me me me.

I cant understand how people can NOT like morrigan. She is a great person and though she has her faults she possess strength and spirit like few real world girls has these days. The "Badgirl" image isnt that major imo.

Seeing the either "Hate or like" view on her id say the devs did a tremendous job making her. But i cant help to see her good traits overshadowing her bad traits by a huuuuuge margin. I think girls that dont like her personality is jealous of her intelligence, sharpness of mind and strength to stand up for herself.

People seem to confuse being rebellious, rude and obnoxious as strong. It's more like people haven't outgrown their teenager angst. It's not a good thing.

I consider Morrigan damaged goods due to being abused by her mother, to the point where she even thinks love is a weakness. It's not her fault that she thinks that way due to her upbringing, but it's not right all the same.

In the end, it's all a matter of opinion.

Right on the Money! Bravo!!!

Op has some growing up to do.

[Shageeyambag]

Is this thread seriously debating the personality of a cartoon character in a game lol....I know this game sucks you into a great fantasy world, but really.....shes a hot cartoon, not real, lol.

[MassEffect762]

Shageeyambag wrote...

Is this thread seriously debating the personality of a cartoon character in a game lol....I know this game sucks you into a great fantasy world, but really.....shes a hot cartoon, not real, lol.

More like showing one "mind" the "errors" of their ways. Might help change their prespective, it might not. Think of it like counseling.

[HoLyEmperor]

Shageeyambag wrote...

Is this thread seriously debating the personality of a cartoon character in a game lol....I know this game sucks you into a great fantasy world, but really.....shes a hot cartoon, not real, lol.

Yet, some academics spend their careers writing papers about characters in fiction.

If you've looked through the thread, it's only partially about Morrigan.  More importantly, it's about what Morrigan makes us see in ourselves and other people, which is the true importance of fiction and the creative mind of a good writer.  That Bioware's writers have created a character that inspires so much discussion and debate is amazing, in my opinion.  Kudos to them.

Modifié par HoLyEmperor, 08 décembre 2009 - 01:23 .

[Lughsan35]

PinkShira wrote...

Lughsan35 wrote...

PinkShira wrote...

Forget Morrigan.. where is my real life Alistair dang it?!!!!

I'm right here :innocent:

Oooooo, now if only I found you under my Christmas tree wrapped only in a bow when I wake up Christmas morning.
:innocent:

That would leave me erm um mostly uncovered and cold...and have things that lead to poking....OOOOOO....Right.  I'll talk to Santa and see if I can replace your lump of coal!

[Layn]

i like morrigan, but she is definitely not a good role model. no one in your team really is. they are all broken in some way (hence the personal quests). It's up to the Warden to heal them. Jokes or insults are just coping mechanisms they have adopted
i actually don't see beginning Morrigan as a critical thinker. just as the chantry and its followers blindly say that mages have to be controlled and apostates are evil, Morrigan blindly spouts what Flemeth taught her that the chantry is evil and they shouldn't control mages
she's the angry goth at school that most avoid and ignore, who is actually nice to hang around and opens up if you give her a chance

if you have been friendly to morrigan, i believe she has changed for the better, though she won't admit it easily and has still a lot of room for improvement.

Modifié par Crrash, 08 décembre 2009 - 01:29 .

[Leonhartx]

Hahahaha an entire thread on people argueing over opinions, discussing "truth" and how life should be lived based once again on opinion.



Not a single one of you knows anything... and don't take this as me claiming to either.

[marshalleck]

Malificis wrote...

Lol amusing OP. I wont provide examples unless requested as it would be an essay. Assume i know what im talking about. I do.

Self-declared expert...riiiight.

1) She is deeply flawed. An extreme superiority complex which would have you shunned from GENERAL society (see point 4) / strong malignant narcissism / deeply isolationist / highly insecure / incapable of understanding society / unwilling to compromise even when it would be smart to do so / intolerant (sometimes to the point of ridiculous) / often incapable of controlling emotion and even faked pleasantries even for personal gain.
Flemeth had it right when you go to fight her. Read/listen to what she says.

So going along with everyone else = good, pursuing your own goals which may or may not align with society in general = bad. Okay. I think I already have a pretty good idea where you're coming from.

2) All of her actions whether good or bad can be explained by her own experiences and lack of them. She is the extreme of a personality which does exist in the real world. The reason it does not is because magic does not exist. Magic is a major factor in allowing someone like Morrigan to exist and act as she does. Also, great physical beauty does not normally coincide with great intellectual prowess.

Agreed about magic which sometimes makes it hard to analyze how a video character may act in real life. But what about the last sentence? Smart people can't be beautiful? Beautiful people can't be smart? This sounds like a bit of denial to make one feel better about not being one or the other...

3) Stop dreaming. She would laugh at you and throw you aside like a wet tissue.

As would many strong, successful people in the real world. Stop dreaming.

4) Evolution has made sure the number of Morrigan-esque personas which exist are extremely extremely low. It is a personality type which only really exists in the very rich and powerful, and beautiful (often all 3 required) - those who do not necessarily require the same traits to live and breed as average people.
E.g. if you acted like Morrigan (to the same extent or similar extent!), unless you had these requirements (societal power and money taking place of magic/beauty remaining as it is, but a classy kind) you could not really exist in society and succeed.

I think you have no idea what evolution is, because if you did you would know full well that humans are no longer governed by natural selection and those who would be quickly culled according to 'survival of the fittest' often survive to live and breed today. The rest of this is inane conjecture. I wonder if you have any experience with working in a highly competitive field, or have ever known someone who does. It's not nice, it's not fair, and only the strong survive (i.e. make it to the top).

Morrigan would make an excellent CEO, though her underlings would undoubtedly hate her--which is irrelevent, in the large scheme of things.

Modifié par marshalleck, 08 décembre 2009 - 01:44 .

[Morganlafey]

I understand the "Morrigan" personality profile (met quite a few people in my lifetime that would fit the bill perfectly.) I actually feel bad for the lass... Imagine that... A life filled with very little human contact with a crazy surrogate mother who beats the **** out of you if you so much as show an emotional response, being taught to fear and hate other people, made to believe you're an absolute outcast and should never take your guard down, and that love will only make you weak (biggest lie in the world!) It's sad, really... But the saddest part is that in real life, some people live through similar atrocities that leave them permanently scarred... Damaged goods. 

edited for typos

Modifié par Morganlafey, 08 décembre 2009 - 01:42 .

[Drunkencelt]

I would save your breath. Fanbois in general will always hate Morrigan. They can't judge or appreciate different characters based on their on merits.

[Fishy]

-She is honest, always says what she means about people.
Yeah .. She's manipulating the Hero from the beginning.She's very honest.


-She has strong integrity.
Not really .   Someone who has a strong integrity understand how other people want to live their life.Which she don't.

-She uses sarcasm, considered intelligent and witty humor by most.
Most of the time it's derigatory . She make fun of other who have a different opignons of her.

She know what she wants and how to enjoy life.
-Yeah she's even willing to drop everything for her own little quest of power .. She surely only beleive in herself and don't give a hell about other.Not the kind of people you need on your friendlist.


-She spits in the face of religion and people living in its lies,  she hates the weakminded feeble sheep that follows such stupidity. Meaning she is strongwilled and sees the world for what it is.
I won't comment on that.Firstly because myself i believe in god but i don't follow any religion.This comment seem more to be your opignons about religion than Morrigan .You're not more bad ass because you don't believe in anything .It's your choice but respect the choice of other.They're weak or stupid . They're different.


-She is surprisingly sane and lively for growing up in the middle of a swamp with a maleficar shapeshifter as a mother. Consider you going through the same.
Dunno really .. I can't consider it because it's never happenned to me.But i would probably think like her.I don't judge her .But i would not judge the rest of the world either.

She has one of the greatest traits of wisdom a person can possess, critical thinking.
-That your opignons.Wynne from my perspective has a lot more wisdom than Morrigan.Morrigan she's just innocent.


-Allthough she seeks immortality (wont spoil how here) who wouldnt? Its self preservation and anyone would do the same. Unless they are some self rightious idiot (Yes you would have to be an idiot to turn down immortality, and royally so)

Than i'm really stupid.i would prefeer living a short life but a full one than an eternal life.At least everything you do has a meaning..If i was immortal .. I would find everything i do bearing no meaning.To each their own i guess.

-I cant understand how people can NOT like morrigan. She is a great person and though she has her faults she possess strength and spirit like few real world girls has these days. The "Badgirl" image isnt that major imo.

It's not that i don't like her.But  i don't understand fanboy like yourself.

-Seeing the either "Hate or like" view on her id say the devs did a tremendous job making her. But i cant help to see her good traits overshadowing her bad traits by a huuuuuge margin. I think girls that dont like her personality is jealous of her intelligence, sharpness of mind and strength to stand up for herself.

yeah every guy say that .. I bet you told it to every girl you hump before..You're the love of my life ... 

[Leonhartx]

and marshalleck makes himself LOL worthy by de-constructing a post and giving his opinion toward it.

I never knew saying "Beauty does not normally coincide with great intellectual prowess" meant that beautiful people can't be smart..... I must be stupid.... lol catch the sarcasm... yea I learned it from Morrigan

and together we dissaprove on your post =)

Modifié par Leonhartx, 08 décembre 2009 - 01:49 .