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[thegreateski]

Really?



I see quiet a few ungrateful !$@#$es when I go out on the town myself.

[marshalleck]

Suprez30 wrote...

-She has strong integrity.
Not really .   Someone who has a strong integrity understand how other people want to live their life.Which she don't.

This has nothing to do with integrity. Integrity is strong adherence to a set of morals...not just what you might deem *good* morals, which is irrelevent. Morrigan does not compromise herself, so in that sense she does have very strong integrity.

She know what she wants and how to enjoy life.
-Yeah she's even willing to drop everything for her own little quest of power .. She surely only beleive in herself and don't give a hell about other.Not the kind of people you need on your friendlist.

Probably not the most friendly or amicable person, agreed, but then, Morrigan isn't out to make friends. This isn't really a character flaw per se.

Also, any arguments about Morrigan seeking immortality should be discarded. We have no idea what Morrigan's ultimate goals are.

[Vormaerin]

Alastrian wrote...

Original182 wrote...

People have the right to live however they want. We all share the world together so we have to learn to get along.

So... we're to just step back and 'respect the opinion' of someone who has openly stated that anyone who doesn't believe as they do is going to burn in hell and that its the duty of every 'righteous' person to arrange their transit there?

Depends on what you mean by "tolerate".    Obviously, we don't have any obligation to allow them to run around killing people.  But that's punishing/prohibing action, not belief. If my next door neighbor wants to believe the world would be a better place if I died, whatever.   If he tries to kill me, that's a little different.   But hes' going to jail for trying to kill me, not for believing I should be killed.  Its irrelevant whether he's trying to kill me because I wrecked his car and stole his girl or because God told him I'm bad.  Morrigan doesn't have any more right to kill the Chantry folks than they do to kill her.   But then you are deliberating creating a strawman to beat up here.

The poster objected to two statements made by another poster that attacked religious belief in general.   He did not at any point endorse criminal actions...regardless of the reason.  THe two statements were:

A)  "She spits in the face of religion and people living in its lies,  she
hates the weakminded feeble sheep that follows such stupidity. Meaning
she is strongwilled and sees the world for what it is."
  "What IS bad is wasting life on anything not proven by science. Ergo
basing your life on lies. This isnt noble, good or positive in anyway
and if people all follow this path, then welcome to the dark ages v.2"

Pointing out the idiocy of the intolerance (not to mention complete lack of understanding of scientific inquiry and 'proof') expressed in these statements is not the same thing as saying  "yo, get your gun, its open season on heretics!".

[Fishy]

Oh and if Morrigan it's your chocie of girl i feel for you..



1;She want to wipe the circle of Magi .. Why? because some templar hunted her?



2;She don't want to save the village attacked by zombies..It's a waste of time saving ppl life .. True

I'm happy the world 's not filled by ppl like her..Everyone would be dead but Morrigan with her immortaly and talking to the tree,



3:She make fun of Allistair losing his friend ..Remind me the day you lose the person you love /like the most..Ill be sure to be here and laugh in your face.



4:She drop you at the end ..Hmm .. i just remembered how many gift and what i have done for her.





5:Everyone (including Sten) don't like her . It's a hint.She's stupid and worthless.She can go hump a tree.

[CBGB]

I'm with you on the key traits:

says what she means about people
knows what she wants
has one of the greatest traits of wisdom a person can possess, critical thinking.

Those are all great things. I sure like her.

But she has serious faults, too, as does any well-developed character. I'm not with you on these:

She is honest
She has strong integrity.
She uses sarcasm, considered intelligent and witty humor by most.
She spits in the face of religion and people living in its lies.

Morrigan admits to being manipulative. She has several tales of lying to get what she wants, and multiple dialog responses in which she views integrity as a weakness.

Yes, she uses sarcasm, but that's humor available to even to the dim. In several dialogs, she chastises Allistair for precisely that.

And we all have different views on religion. Only a fool thinks she has the one true way of seeing, and only a boor insists that others follow it.

[marshalleck]

Leonhartx wrote...

and marshalleck makes himself LOL worthy by de-constructing a post and giving his opinion toward it.

I never knew saying "Beauty does not normally coincide with great intellectual prowess" meant that beautiful people can't be smart..... I must be stupid.... lol catch the sarcasm... yea I learned it from Morrigan

and together we dissaprove on your post =)

If you don't wish to partake in the discussion, by all means feel free to show yourself the door. Don't let me stop you.

But since you seem to take issue with this point, I'd be curious to see how one comes to this conclusion: "great physical beauty does not normally coincide with great intellectual prowess."

Is someone keeping statistics on how ugly smart people are, and vice versa, so that we can correctly identify Morrigan as a statistical outlier?

Modifié par marshalleck, 08 décembre 2009 - 01:58 .

[HoLyEmperor]

marshalleck wrote...
But since you seem to take issue with this point, I'd be curious to see how one comes to this conclusion: "great physical beauty does not normally coincide with great intellectual prowess."

Like this:

Assume only 1/10 of people have "great physical beauty"
And assume only 1/10 of people have "great intellectual prowess"

Then only 1/100 of people will have both, unless the two are connected in some way (that is, not independent variables).

I don't see how that point gets us anywhere in this discussion though. 

[marshalleck]

HoLyEmperor wrote...

I don't see how that point gets us anywhere in this discussion though. 

You're right, it doesn't, but I also didn't begin down that line of reasoning either and to me it seems to be of little import in an assessment of Morrigan's character.

Modifié par marshalleck, 08 décembre 2009 - 02:10 .

[Fishy]

Not but think about it for a sec.
if you're immortal

1:You would never find the love of your life.Because you're immortal
2:At some point you would need to vanish from the society .. Because that would be strange.
3:Prob need to go to school each 30 years.Because the world evolve.
4:The problem's that the world evolve but not you.You're the same even after 100,000 Years.
5:Everything you do would bare no meaning.Because you always have to repeat it.
6:Every person you love/like would die.Than you end up forgetting everything you loved or cared about.

Oh tell me op .. What's the advantage of immortaly?None.

i guess you haven't read Dracula.

[marshalleck]

Suprez30 wrote...

Not but think about it for a sec.
if you're immortal

1:You would never find the love of your life.Because you're immortal
2:At some point you would need to vanish from the society .. Because that would be strange.
3:Prob need to go to school each 30 years.Because the world evolve.
4:The problem's that the world evolve but not you.You're the same even after 100,000 Years.
5:Everything you do would bare no meaning.Because you always have to repeat it.
6:Every person you love/like would die.Than you end up forgetting everything you loved or cared about.

Oh tell me op .. What's the advantage of immortaly?None.

i guess you haven't read Dracula.

I could counter all these points by citing The Highlander which is why the immortality topic should be discarded 

Modifié par marshalleck, 08 décembre 2009 - 02:15 .

[HoLyEmperor]

Suprez30 wrote...

Not but think about it for a sec.
if you're immortal
[snip]

There's no conclusive indication from the game that Morrigan is after immortality.  The way I read it, she really was just going to raise the god child.  Immortality was Flemeth's game, not Morrigan's.

(This is speculation of course, based on limited information.  But it's no more speculative than thinking Morrigan is going to start with Flemeth's possession routine).

[Curlain]

marshalleck wrote...


I could counter all these points by citing The Highlander which is why the immortality topic should be discarded 

The only film where Sean Connery is in Scotland and he's an Egyptian-come-Spaindard

Problem with being one of those immortals (besides seeing those you love die etc) was 'there can be only one!!' so you were almost certainly gonna lose your head at some point,

Still it did mean you became a bad ass swordsmen/women, which was cool

Anyhow, back to Morrigan and on-topic stuff

[Highlen]

It comes done to her only wanting wealth and power in the end obvisouly she going to use that trick her mother used to take the body of her offspring speiclaily since it has archdemon taint in it.





She gets what she wants from who ever can give it to her and leaves wrost kind of scum.

[adembroski11]

Morrigan is Raistlin with a vagina.

[Malificis]

Malificis wrote...

Lol amusing OP. I wont provide examples unless requested as it would be an essay. Assume i know what im talking about. I do.

Self-declared expert...riiiight.

1)
She is deeply flawed. An extreme superiority complex which would have
you shunned from GENERAL society (see point 4) / strong malignant
narcissism / deeply isolationist / highly insecure / incapable of
understanding society / unwilling to compromise even when it would be
smart to do so / intolerant (sometimes to the point of ridiculous) /
often incapable of controlling emotion and even faked pleasantries even
for personal gain.
Flemeth had it right when you go to fight her. Read/listen to what she says.

So
going along with everyone else = good, pursuing your own goals which
may or may not align with society in general = bad. Okay. I think
I already have a pretty good idea where you're coming from.

2)
All of her actions whether good or bad can be explained by her own
experiences and lack of them. She is the extreme of a personality which
does exist in the real world. The reason it does not is because magic
does not exist. Magic is a major factor in allowing someone like
Morrigan to exist and act as she does. Also, great physical beauty does
not normally coincide with great intellectual prowess.

Agreed
about magic which sometimes makes it hard to analyze how a video
character may act in real life. But what about the last sentence? Smart
people can't be beautiful? Beautiful people can't be smart? This sounds
like a bit of denial to make one feel better about not being one or the
other...

3) Stop dreaming. She would laugh at you and throw you aside like a wet tissue.

As would many strong, successful people in the real world. Stop dreaming.

4)
Evolution has made sure the number of Morrigan-esque personas which
exist are extremely extremely low. It is a personality type which only
really exists in the very rich and powerful, and beautiful (often all 3
required) - those who do not necessarily require the same traits to
live and breed as average people.
E.g. if you acted like Morrigan
(to the same extent or similar extent!), unless you had these
requirements (societal power and money taking place of magic/beauty
remaining as it is, but a classy kind) you could not really exist in
society and succeed.

I think you have no idea what
evolution is, because if you did you would know full well that humans
are no longer governed by natural selection and those who would be
quickly culled according to 'survival of the fittest' often survive to
live and breed today. The rest of this is inane conjecture. I wonder if
you have any experience with working in a highly competitive field, or
have ever known someone who does. It's not nice, it's not fair, and
only the strong survive (i.e. make it to the top).

Morrigan
would make an excellent CEO, though her underlings would undoubtedly
hate her--which is irrelevent, in the large scheme of things.

Marshalleck. Sadly your post does not really make sense.
1) I never claimed a lot of the things you said i did. Please read more carefully. Stop drawing conclusions based on things I DIDN'T quite say.
2) Actions which are is total contrary to the successful growth of society are generally seen as a bad thing by everyone except the perpetrator.
3) I am not slamming Morrigan. To an extent, I admire her as a person but I get annoyed when people fall for the illusion and assume she is the girl of their dreams and the best friend they could ever have. No one is totally devoid of flaws - it'd be boring if everyone was perfect. I am taking a deeper look at her personality and looking at to what extent she is realistic (HENCE THREAD TITLE).
4) Insane conjecture? You know nothing about me.
5) You need to be able to understand and live in society without putting everyone's back up to succeed in life, period. Morrigan lacks the side of people which enables them to lie convincingly in order to hide their feelings from people. Successful people, competitive environment? Fine. Politicians? Government leaders yes? You don't get by and succeed by making everyone INCLUDING THE PEOPLE YOU MAY NEED (see Alistair vs Morrigan if PC is female) dislike you unless you have something which makes that dislike irrelevant. Magic is that something for Morrigan but we're looking at her possible existence as a character in the real world.
6) Lol of course she'd make a "good CEO" - but how about getting to that position? You don't get it handed to you by people who hate you. You disprove your own point...
7) Don't you like Anora? She is essentially a less good looking version of Morrigan but she is SOCIALLY very very intelligent with a great political sense. She is likely similar to what Morrigan would be if she didnt grow up in a forest. Actually if you combined Morrigan and Anora you'd have something amazing.

Modifié par Malificis, 08 décembre 2009 - 11:32 .

[Malificis]

marshalleck wrote...

Leonhartx wrote...

and marshalleck makes himself LOL worthy by de-constructing a post and giving his opinion toward it.

I never knew saying "Beauty does not normally coincide with great intellectual prowess" meant that beautiful people can't be smart..... I must be stupid.... lol catch the sarcasm... yea I learned it from Morrigan

and together we dissaprove on your post =)

If you don't wish to partake in the discussion, by all means feel free to show yourself the door. Don't let me stop you.

But since you seem to take issue with this point, I'd be curious to see how one comes to this conclusion: "great physical beauty does not normally coincide with great intellectual prowess."

Is someone keeping statistics on how ugly smart people are, and vice versa, so that we can correctly identify Morrigan as a statistical outlier?

1)No it doesn't normally. The point you miss is great beauty and great intellectual prowess are both RELATIVELY rare. Relative to mediocrity. To get both you need quite a leap of probability. If you throw in growing up in a position of power from birth you get something REALLY rare.
2)Morrigan would work - if she took someone like Queen Victoria of Britain's place. You don't need a statistical outliner, just to be observant of people and the world around you.
3)Morrigan is interesting but she is deeply fantastical.

[Alex Savchovsky]

Suprez30 wrote...

Oh and if Morrigan it's your chocie of girl i feel for you..

1;She want to wipe the circle of Magi .. Why? because some templar hunted her?

2;She don't want to save the village attacked by zombies..It's a waste of time saving ppl life .. True
I'm happy the world 's not filled by ppl like her..Everyone would be dead but Morrigan with her immortaly and talking to the tree,

3:She make fun of Allistair losing his friend ..Remind me the day you lose the person you love /like the most..Ill be sure to be here and laugh in your face.

4:She drop you at the end ..Hmm .. i just remembered how many gift and what i have done for her.


5:Everyone (including Sten) don't like her . It's a hint.She's stupid and worthless.She can go hump a tree.

You're a bit off here...
1. She doesn't want to wipe the Circle, she doesn't see a reason to help it. There's a difference. And she agrees on it once you show her a reason.
2. Saving the village vs. saving the kingdom. Actually she made sense on this.
3. True, she was kinda mean to Alistair. On the other hand, Alistair had a duty as one of the two wardens left in Ferelden. A duty greater than his personal loss, which he neglected, being too busy to mourn his friend. While it's perfectly human and understandable behavior, in this case it's also a weakness. And a dangerous one too, since the lives of many people were at stake. I don't think Morrigan's sarcasm was aimed at making fun out of his loss, more like a reminding of his duties. Sure, using some tact would be better, but it's just her style.
4. Whether or not she "drops" you is still to be seen. I believe it's about duty again.
5. Most of the people do not like the music I like. How is that an argument?

[Malificis]

Alex Savchovsky wrote...

Suprez30 wrote...

Oh and if Morrigan it's your chocie of girl i feel for you..

1;She want to wipe the circle of Magi .. Why? because some templar hunted her?

2;She don't want to save the village attacked by zombies..It's a waste of time saving ppl life .. True
I'm happy the world 's not filled by ppl like her..Everyone would be dead but Morrigan with her immortaly and talking to the tree,

3:She make fun of Allistair losing his friend ..Remind me the day you lose the person you love /like the most..Ill be sure to be here and laugh in your face.

4:She drop you at the end ..Hmm .. i just remembered how many gift and what i have done for her.


5:Everyone (including Sten) don't like her . It's a hint.She's stupid and worthless.She can go hump a tree.

You're a bit off here...
1. She doesn't want to wipe the Circle, she doesn't see a reason to help it. There's a difference. And she agrees on it once you show her a reason.
2. Saving the village vs. saving the kingdom. Actually she made sense on this.
3. True, she was kinda mean to Alistair. On the other hand, Alistair had a duty as one of the two wardens left in Ferelden. A duty greater than his personal loss, which he neglected, being too busy to mourn his friend. While it's perfectly human and understandable behavior, in this case it's also a weakness. And a dangerous one too, since the lives of many people were at stake. I don't think Morrigan's sarcasm was aimed at making fun out of his loss, more like a reminding of his duties. Sure, using some tact would be better, but it's just her style.
4. Whether or not she "drops" you is still to be seen. I believe it's about duty again.
5. Most of the people do not like the music I like. How is that an argument?

Malificis approves +5

Her actions tend to be sensible for someone who does not want to die.

If its easier to kill a bunch of people (mages) who stood by and let you be hunted than to save them, why save them? If you think like a gamer rather than as someone who is called to put their life on the line to save the world, you won't understand a lot of things people do in DA:O...Lots of people (not alex s) seem to have this issue.

[marshalleck]

Malificis wrote...

Marshalleck. Sadly your post is not actually worth quoting because it doesn't really make sense.
1) I never claimed a lot of the things you said i did. Please read more carefully. Stop drawing conclusions based on things I DIDN'T quite say.
2) Actions which are is total contrary to the successful growth of society are generally seen as a bad thing by everyone except the perpetrator.
3) I am not slamming Morrigan. To an extent, I admire her as a person but I get annoyed when people fall for the illusion and assume she is the girl of their dreams and the best friend they could ever have. No one is totally devoid of flaws - it'd be boring if everyone was perfect. I am taking a deeper look at her personality and looking at to what extent she is realistic (HENCE THREAD TITLE).
4) Insane conjecture? You know nothing about me.
5) You need to be able to understand and live in society without putting everyone's back up to succeed in life, period. Morrigan lacks the side of people which enables them to lie convincingly in order to hide their feelings from people. Successful people, competitive environment? Fine. Politicians? Government leaders yes? You don't get by and succeed by making everyone INCLUDING THE PEOPLE YOU MAY NEED (see Alistair vs Morrigan if PC is female) dislike you unless you have something which makes that dislike irrelevant. Magic is that something for Morrigan but we're looking at her possible existence as a character in the real world.
6) Lol of course she'd make a "good CEO" - but how about getting to that position? You don't get it handed to people, people who hate you. You disprove your own point...
7) Don't you like Anora? She is essentially a less good looking version of Morrigan but she is SOCIALLY very very intelligent with a great political sense. Actually if you combined Morrigan and Anora you'd have something amazing. If Morrigan existed IRL and had the part of Anora that is social sense etc shed end up leading a country.

My post makes a lot more sense than yours. If English is your second language then that's understandable and I'll say no more.

1) I quoted each piece I was referring to. Is there a specific objection to something I said that was not your actual meaning?
2) So "society" gets a pass on things like oh...templars repeatedly trying to hunt down and murder Flemeth and Morrigan, or any mage outside the tower. But if Morrigan expresses hostility toward them as a result, shame on her.
3) I'm under no illusion that Morrigan is the perfect woman or the "best friend" I could ever have. Her type has no need of nor desire for friends. Getting involved with someone like her in the real world never ends well in my experience, and is quite unpleasant even if you're nothing more than co-workers or something.
4) I said "inane" not "insane."
5) I understand perfectly. Morrigan is not seeking mass approval so she doesn't behave accordingly. Makes sense to me. She's not nice to Alistair because she doesn't need to be; he's dimwitted and naive and easily influenced by the PC, who she will attempt to establish a certain amount of rapport with.
6) This kinda goes back to the magic not existing thing which I already agreed about--she'd have to have outstanding competency in some other field.
7) I really have no opinion on Anora. A minor character really so I don't pay her much mind. I always support her bid for the throne because she's intelligent and capable; Alistair is a moron.

Modifié par marshalleck, 08 décembre 2009 - 11:53 .

[Malificis]

marshalleck wrote...

Malificis wrote...

Marshalleck. Sadly your post is not actually worth quoting because it doesn't really make sense.
1) I never claimed a lot of the things you said i did. Please read more carefully. Stop drawing conclusions based on things I DIDN'T quite say.
2) Actions which are is total contrary to the successful growth of society are generally seen as a bad thing by everyone except the perpetrator.
3) I am not slamming Morrigan. To an extent, I admire her as a person but I get annoyed when people fall for the illusion and assume she is the girl of their dreams and the best friend they could ever have. No one is totally devoid of flaws - it'd be boring if everyone was perfect. I am taking a deeper look at her personality and looking at to what extent she is realistic (HENCE THREAD TITLE).
4) Insane conjecture? You know nothing about me.
5) You need to be able to understand and live in society without putting everyone's back up to succeed in life, period. Morrigan lacks the side of people which enables them to lie convincingly in order to hide their feelings from people. Successful people, competitive environment? Fine. Politicians? Government leaders yes? You don't get by and succeed by making everyone INCLUDING THE PEOPLE YOU MAY NEED (see Alistair vs Morrigan if PC is female) dislike you unless you have something which makes that dislike irrelevant. Magic is that something for Morrigan but we're looking at her possible existence as a character in the real world.
6) Lol of course she'd make a "good CEO" - but how about getting to that position? You don't get it handed to people, people who hate you. You disprove your own point...
7) Don't you like Anora? She is essentially a less good looking version of Morrigan but she is SOCIALLY very very intelligent with a great political sense. Actually if you combined Morrigan and Anora you'd have something amazing. If Morrigan existed IRL and had the part of Anora that is social sense etc shed end up leading a country.

My post makes a lot more sense than yours. If English is your second language then that's understandable and I'll say no more.

1) I quoted each piece I was referring to. Is there a specific objection to something I said that was not your actual meaning?
2) So "society" gets a pass on things like oh...templars repeatedly trying to hunt down and murder Flemeth and Morrigan, or any mage outside the tower. But if Morrigan expresses hostility toward them as a result, shame on her.
3) I'm under no illusion that Morrigan is the perfect woman or the "best friend" I could ever have. Her type has no need of nor desire for friends.
4) I said "inane" not "insane."
5) I understand perfectly. Morrigan is not seeking mass approval so she doesn't behave accordingly. Makes sense to me. She's not nice to Alistair because she doesn't need to be; he's dimwitted and naive and easily influenced by the PC, who she will attempt to establish a certain amount of rapport with.
6) This kinda goes back to the magic not existing thing which I already agreed about--she'd have to have outstanding competency in some other field.
7) I really have no opinion on Anora. A minor character really so I don't pay her much mind. I always support her bid for the throne because she's intelligent and capable; Alistair is a moron.

A weak jibe. That says more about you than it does about me.
You arent even reading what I'm saying! Oh my god is there any point? Yes its understandable if she shows hostility to the templars and the circle, why would she not? I didn't deny that. Why the aggression? We are talking about if Morrigan could exist in real life as she is now without magic - or at least I am talking about this.
Your standpoint isn't even that far from mine at all, you are just coming from a different direction, a direction where what I'm saying makes less sense, and yours seems unrealistic.
You edited that post after i quoted it "insane". lame.  -.-
You are twisting things I say to mean something else, or taking one part of them. E.g. i never said good looking people cannot be intelligent yet you argued based on that.

Modifié par Malificis, 08 décembre 2009 - 11:57 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Alex Savchovsky wrote...
1. She doesn't want to wipe the Circle, she doesn't see a reason to help it. There's a difference. And she agrees on it once you show her a reason.

She doesn't see a reason? What? Was she blind, deaf and stupid when we alked about the treaties. Is she, a mage herself, blind to the power a army of mages brings?
She advocates killing children in the Circle and grudginly agrees not to claughter them (not that she has a choice, you are the leader)

She's a grade A evil b**** in that instance.

2. Saving the village vs. saving the kingdom. Actually she made sense on this.

Saving bann Teagan and the villagers is ultimatively a good thing for the whole of Ferelden too. Especially since you don't know if Earl Eamon is still alive to begin with. Protecting his brother and then going with him in the castle (he knows the layout) is a smart move.

3. True, she was kinda mean to Alistair. On the other hand, Alistair had a duty as one of the two wardens left in Ferelden. A duty greater than his personal loss, which he neglected, being too busy to mourn his friend. While it's perfectly human and understandable behavior, in this case it's also a weakness. And a dangerous one too, since the lives of many people were at stake. I don't think Morrigan's sarcasm was aimed at making fun out of his loss, more like a reminding of his duties. Sure, using some tact would be better, but it's just her style.

His mourning did not impair him in any way, nor did it impede the mission. There was no weakness, aside in Morrigans head. She  is full of s***.

[marshalleck]

Malificis wrote...

A weak jibe. That says more about you than it does about me.
You arent even reading what I'm saying! Oh my god is there any point? Yes its understandable if she shows hostility to the templars and the circle, why would she not? I didn't deny that. Why the aggression? We are talking about if Morrigan could exist in real life as she is now without magic - or at least I am talking about this.
Your standpoint isn't even that far from mine at all, you are just coming from a different direction, a direction where what I'm saying makes less sense, and yours seems unrealistic.
You edited that post after i quoted it "insane". lame.  -.-
You are twisting things I say to mean something else, or taking one part of them. E.g. i never said good looking people cannot be intelligent yet you argued based on that.

I am reading what you're saying, and there's no aggression intended. I also didn't edit my other post to say inane; you can see it was last edited a long time ago. If we are arguing the same position in different ways then I guess there's not much more to be said at this point, and that's fine.

Modifié par marshalleck, 08 décembre 2009 - 12:03 .

[Malificis]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Alex Savchovsky wrote...
1. She doesn't want to wipe the Circle, she doesn't see a reason to help it. There's a difference. And she agrees on it once you show her a reason.

She doesn't see a reason? What? Was she blind, deaf and stupid when we alked about the treaties. Is she, a mage herself, blind to the power a army of mages brings?
She advocates killing children in the Circle and grudginly agrees not to claughter them (not that she has a choice, you are the leader)

She's a grade A evil b**** in that instance.

2. Saving the village vs. saving the kingdom. Actually she made sense on this.

Saving bann Teagan and the villagers is ultimatively a good thing for the whole of Ferelden too. Especially since you don't know if Earl Eamon is still alive to begin with. Protecting his brother and then going with him in the castle (he knows the layout) is a smart move.

3. True, she was kinda mean to Alistair. On the other hand, Alistair had a duty as one of the two wardens left in Ferelden. A duty greater than his personal loss, which he neglected, being too busy to mourn his friend. While it's perfectly human and understandable behavior, in this case it's also a weakness. And a dangerous one too, since the lives of many people were at stake. I don't think Morrigan's sarcasm was aimed at making fun out of his loss, more like a reminding of his duties. Sure, using some tact would be better, but it's just her style.

His mourning did not impair him in any way, nor did it impede the mission. There was no weakness, aside in Morrigans head. She  is full of s***.

Lol clueless.
Stop thinking like a gamer and strategist if you want to argue something like that - think more like someone who has to lay down there life to fight ferelden with no guarentee of survival and actually has to put effort into a battle. Even from strategist point of view attacking castle while dead minions are in village actually isnt stupid at all.
And we have to assume his mourning was slowing him down for plot reasons.
Demonic Children can kill people too. Dont be so naive lol -  look at Connor.

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She doesn't see a reason? What? Was she blind, deaf and stupid when we alked about the treaties. Is she, a mage herself, blind to the power a army of mages brings?
She advocates killing children in the Circle and grudginly agrees not to claughter them (not that she has a choice, you are the leader)

she felt it wasn't worth the trouble. She felt you could use the time better by killing loghain and taking power over entire human ferelden, go to ozrammar and get the might of the dwarves, or go look for the hidden dalish, and just ask the templars to fight for you, instead you go fighting your way through a tower with only a few surviving mages, whom she believes to be weak anyway. and by letting children die, you spare them a lifetime of imprisonment or worse becoming an abomination.

Saving bann Teagan and the villagers is ultimatively a good thing for the whole of Ferelden too. Especially since you don't know if Earl Eamon is still alive to begin with. Protecting his brother and then going with him in the castle (he knows the layout) is a smart move.)

Redcliffe had fallen. no sense wasting time in helping a few survivors. those aren't enough for an army. go kill loghain and take power! that's how you get an army!
morrigan feels you are wasting time saving way too few. And shes right, we took way too long. we're jsut lucky the blight advanced slowly.

His mourning did not impair him in any way, nor did it impede the mission. There was no weakness, aside in Morrigans head. She  is full of s***.

he is right to mourn, but morrigan is right too. There was an impending Blight, and yet Alistair had to stop every so often to mourn Duncan and be whiny (i liked alistair, i'm not criticizing him) instead of stepping up and doing what has to be done. heck, he let the youngest grey warden, one he knows nothing about and might actually be an evil bastard, take over command immediately. He forced all decisions and responsibilities he should have on someone else. Morrigan isn't wrong to think that Alistair is weak

Modifié par Crrash, 08 décembre 2009 - 12:32 .

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Yes, Morrigan is very honest, a very honest ****. =)