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[rumination888]

SharpneI wrote...

Zibon wrote...

The problem with these DLC items is that it throws the risk/reward of the rest of the game completely off balance. When you already have the most powerful items there is little motivation or sense of reward for completing tasks or finding "good" items.

They have the exact same effect on gameplay as cheating.

The Blood dragon set is far from being the most powerful armor set out there. BUT I do agree that they give it to us waaay to early in the game and YOU CAN rush for it but only a 2handed warrior can do this: its not as bad as you make it seem.

I know you all would love to have powergaming reasons not to wear that ugly piece of crap, but there are none in the pre-patch version.

Its actually the best tanking armor set in the game. The only thing better is if you replace the helm with Bergen's Honor, and gloves/boots with the Diligence set. A shield warrior that rushes to it can solo nightmare.

The BDA 1.1 version nerfs it down to a respectable level, though. Its only good until you find other massive armors.

Modifié par rumination888, 07 décembre 2009 - 11:28 .

[Sgtmokeynads]

Kevin..

Yeah, you got it right. i don't use it. It just doesn't fit my world either. I just get pissed when hearing that just because something doesn't look good they refuse to use it. I play games as if i were realy in them, and if i had the choice between something powerfull but ugly or pretty and weak, well...I'd take ugly.

I just chalked it up to an ingame advertisement for ME2

[Loc'n'lol]

Too ugly and too easy to acquire for its power. I systematically destroy it on any new character.

[Fryce]

rumination888 wrote...

SharpneI wrote...

Zibon wrote...

The problem with these DLC items is that it throws the risk/reward of the rest of the game completely off balance. When you already have the most powerful items there is little motivation or sense of reward for completing tasks or finding "good" items.

They have the exact same effect on gameplay as cheating.

The Blood dragon set is far from being the most powerful armor set out there. BUT I do agree that they give it to us waaay to early in the game and YOU CAN rush for it but only a 2handed warrior can do this: its not as bad as you make it seem.

I know you all would love to have powergaming reasons not to wear that ugly piece of crap, but there are none in the pre-patch version.

Its actually the best tanking armor set in the game. The only thing better is if you replace the helm with Bergen's Honor, and gloves/boots with the Diligence set. A shield warrior that rushes to it can solo nightmare.

The BDA 1.1 version nerfs it down to a respectable level, though. Its only good until you find other massive armors.

I perfer the Juggernaut armor set for tanking myself personally. The resistances they give you is invaluable for nightmare imo. The only reason the blood dragon set is good at all is the armor' stats itself - true but it does not make it the end all item or set..

[kingthrall]

Bio-Boy 3000 wrote...

This is a good time to remind people of the four basic subgroups of Dragon Age Players:

1. Phat Lewters - Powergamers that love nothing more than to acquire overpowered equipment for little or no effort involved.

2. Achievement Wh0res - Entities that craves any kind of digital performance enhancing scores that increase their epeen on various sites that cater to them.

3. Brand Fanbois - Fanatics that will purchase and consume any and all things Bioware, regardless of the quality of product, because Bioware is teh awesome.

4 Oldskool Playas - Elders of games past that use nostalgia to cloud their minds into think that current products will emulate what has be offered before.

i am an achievment wh0re, sue me

[homer413]

The best reason for not using the blood dragon armor is that it is ugly. I have a female elf warrior and I hate seeing her wearing that armor. This is a "video" game after all and the visuals are an important part of the game. Maybe I shouldn't play female warriors(lol).

[Papa Emeritus IV]

Bio-Boy 3000 wrote...

4 Oldskool Playas - Elders of games past that use nostalgia to cloud their minds into think that current products will emulate what has be offered before.

I so miss my Wizardry VII. :innocent:

[Majspuffen]

What's the point of ignoring it? It is a fine armor. I have not used it for my own character though. Oghren have had the honor of wearing it.

[rumination888]

SharpneI wrote...

I perfer the Juggernaut armor set for tanking myself personally. The resistances they give you is invaluable for nightmare imo. The only reason the blood dragon set is good at all is the armor' stats itself - true but it does not make it the end all item or set..

You'd need to be hit by 250 elemental damage in a battle before Juggernaut's 20% resistance matches BDA's 50 health. Fights that deal that kind of elemental damage is few and far between, and a resistance pot will ensure that you will never take that much elemental damage in a single fight.

BDA really is the best massive armor in the game.(and I'm glad its nerfed)

[Jordi B]

Pseron Wyrd wrote...

Your idea of "roleplaying" is entirely different than mine. 0.o

You're saying that roleplaying always involves using the best gear? That is powergaming to me.

Roleplaying, to me, is simply this: creating a character and playing the game in character, as an actor plays a character in a play. True roleplaying, to me, has nothing to do with stats. It has even less to do with gear - unless that choice of gear is governed by my character's personality.

I know a lot of people feel like this, but I really don't understand. To me roleplaying is nowhere near the opposite of powergaming. I can understand that you have a certain character in mind that you want to play. If you view attribute/skill/talent choices as things that define your character rather than choices your character makes about what he wants to train, I can absolutely see why you wouldn't "powergame" those stats. For equipment however, I have a harder time with this. It is possible, but it seems very unlikely to me that you would roleplay a character that doesn't care about being as effective as possible at surviving and killing enemies. How do you justify, from a roleplaying perspective, not using the best equipment? Can you imagine anyone involved in a bloody war that would not use better guns and weapons if it meant that they would get hurt less?

Also, I can completely understand why people would not use it because they think it is overpowered, and perhaps even because they think it looks too futuristic for the setting. This however, is metagaming, which to me seems a lot closer to the opposite of roleplaying. I think that no sane person in the situation of the (N)PCs would not be gleefull with joy upon finding the Ultimate Armor of Uber Ass Kickery and think "oh noez, this will make me look out of place and it will make it too easy to kill my enemies that threaten my life, that of my friends, and that of the entire civilized world".

[Whailor]

Bah, whiners. You get a free good armor and then you cry about it? And when you get no armor you then still cry? Can't make you happy no matter what I guess?



I like that armor. I haven't used it always with my char but I always use it on some char. Usually Alistair gets to run around in it for a long time as soon as he can wear it, as it's a good armor, protects well. Sure there are some armors which are better, I use some with my char, some give to other recruits. It's a good armor and definitely good to use, who gives a crap about looks when you're covered in enemy blood. Want to "roleplay", don't use it, no point coming crying on the forums. Feel that getting a free piece of armor is "cheating" - well, sell it then and don't cry. Want to play a "wilder warrior" who covers his arse with tree bark and head with the feathers of a dead duck found 3 months ago then go ahead, who's stopping you. I like that armor because it's practical and yet I still have to work to be able to use it, the time when I finally can use it is balanced enough. Looks a bit "futuristic", the helmet at least (rest of the armor is same as any dwarven armor), ah well, so what.



I do agree that armor models themselves could use some variety. All massive armors have the same design. All heavy armors have the same design and so on. I like when armors have also different looks and design to them, despite being the same type. For example NWN2 - heavy armors had different looks so it was nice, even a full party decked all out in heavy armor still looked different.

[Winterbay]

It is indeed horribly fugly. I just put it on Alistair and after having given him the entire set realised that there were no set bonus fo rit and thus gave him back the previous helmet (which was much better than the Dragon one and looked better). He still has the really fugly chest plate but I'll guess I have to live with that since that stats are too compelling...

[Serenity84]

I downloaded it but deactivated it in the options. Don't like the look at all - specifically the belt thingy and the glowing visor. Just looks out of place

[Wildhide]

I keep seeing people mention patch 1.1, are you refering to 1.01, or did they release another that isn't showing on the patch page for me?

[kevinwastaken]

Whailor wrote...

Bah, whiners. You get a free good armor and then you cry about it? And when you get no armor you then still cry? Can't make you happy no matter what I guess?

Take your meds.

[rumination888]

Wildhide wrote...

I keep seeing people mention patch 1.1, are you refering to 1.01, or did they release another that isn't showing on the patch page for me?

DLC BDA version 1.1. It was supposed to only fix a graphical issue, but it also changed its stats. I only found out about the stat change today.
http://social.biowar.../index/286843/1

[Wildhide]

Thank you, sir!

[Leather_Rebel90]

I ignored it for two reasons;

1) It looked out of place with all the other armor and was quite ugly.
2) It was horribly overpowered and the game is already easy enough.

[stragonar]

havent even redeemed it yet myself, maybe when i try a nightmare run through ill load it up, maybe.

[Gorath Alpha]

Given my extreme distrust of EA, I've been ignoring all of the "DLC", every bit of it, until I can have it totally under my personal control, as in on a separate optical disk that runs just fine without a connection to the 'Net, and especially without EA or any EA-influenced web site keeping the puppet strings tight. 

Gorath
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Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 07 décembre 2009 - 02:40 .

[Darpaek]

Best 7 sovereigns I never earned!

[bjdbwea]

I think the armor looks nice. Only the glowing belt thing doesn't fit at all. I too see however the trend to put overpowered items in DLC. Got to provide some reason to people for downloading it, I suppose.

[Fryce]

rumination888 wrote...

SharpneI wrote...

I perfer the Juggernaut armor set for tanking myself personally. The resistances they give you is invaluable for nightmare imo. The only reason the blood dragon set is good at all is the armor' stats itself - true but it does not make it the end all item or set..

You'd need to be hit by 250 elemental damage in a battle before Juggernaut's 20% resistance matches BDA's 50 health. Fights that deal that kind of elemental damage is few and far between, and a resistance pot will ensure that you will never take that much elemental damage in a single fight.

BDA really is the best massive armor in the game.(and I'm glad its nerfed)

Hm I have always had one with +50hp and -10% fatigue (I always patch my games before I play) but it seems there was a BDA with +3 to str/willpower/and some other bonuses as well.

Anyway because I do not feel like researching the other one out, I will agree to disagree because while what you say is true, it does not factor in your origin's bonuses (specicially I refer to dwarves) nor other jewelry bonuses...waaaay too offtopic for such a silly dilemma of the armor being out of place for the DA:O's time period..at least IMO