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[DoomMech]

DoomMech wrote...

AielloA wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

SaltyWaffles-PD wrote...

9) Oh, yeah, they had a Prothean beacon and archive, which they subsequently hid behind a sacred religious site after making the concealment and withholding of any Prothean tech illegal, with serious penalties for breaking that law. They then used the archives to slowly-but-constantly maintain a technological, military, economic, and scientific edge over the rest of the galaxy, even their closest allies.

Would America have kept this technology hidden? You betcha!

The Asari aren't built for front line military. They are commando style. Having a tech edge kept a balance of power. I can see it from their perspective. They wouldn't want all this information falling into the hands of say... the Krogan, or the Humans who just got on the Citadel a few years earlier.

Also, when you compare what the Asari did instead of what the Humans, Krogan, Turians or Salarians would have done...

Humans: beefed up their military, then tried to grab power from the Asari.  Replacing one dominant race with another
Krogan: shrugged, converted it into a missile then nuked the **** out of everyone else.
Turians: beefed up their military, then tried to exterminate those upstart humans.  And they probably would have succeeded too.
Salarians: beefed up their intelligence/technology/commandoes then blackmailed everyone else into submission.  Also beat them to death with their hyperactive voices.

So yeah.  The Asari are absolute monsters.

Ignoring the rather glaring flaw in your argument in that everyone is supposed to be friends at this point.

I'd worry more about this information getting into the hands of someone with a grudge, like, say the batarians? Or god forbid the yagh?


Double post.

Modifié par DoomMech, 23 avril 2012 - 02:05 .

[sistersafetypin]

tekkaman fear wrote...

sistersafetypin wrote...

Billyg3453 wrote...

People dislike Thessia more because the mission lacks the quality of Tuchanka + Ranoch. Also Kai leng

While I agree about the Thessia mission; it's definitely more than that. I've also noticed a rise in anti Asari sentiment. I simply ignore it 

As have I. I just figure it's all the non Liara romancers that are mad she got the better LI scenes. ***Shrugs***

***My Femshep loves her Asari princess, Liara ***

Mine too 

[january42]

Generally, Asari were a terrible race(blue, female-onisexual pychic space elves...yeah)?  That said, the ME universe did make them work.

So, no hate really.

[ryuasiu]

MisterJB wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
Would America have kept this technology hidden? You betcha!

The Asari aren't built for front line military. They are commando style. Having a tech edge kept a balance of power. I can see it from their perspective. They wouldn't want all this information falling into the hands of say... the Krogan, or the Humans who just got on the Citadel a few years earlier.

First, it's not about keeping the technology out of dangerous hands. It's about keeping all the technology for themselves so they can be the more powerful species. The turians or salarians didn't have acess to the Beacon.

Second, humans didn't hide that we had Prothean Ruins on Mars.

We also thought we were alone in the universe when we publicly anounced to everyone on the planet we found it. I am 100% certain that had we known what was out there they would have kept it quiet. As far as the other races go, would not surprise me if they had their own. Think about it, Archives set for humans and the asari. It seems to me the protheans set them up to maxamize the success of ending the cycle. If that is the case I could see them setting up more to increase the chances. I doubt they would install 2 and call it a day

[formshifter]

I think that Thessia (and to some extent Palaven's moon) are . . . inferior. Rannoch and Tuchanka are far more emotional and lengthy missions. They also have much greater story arcs. Thessia about the same (if not less) than rescuing the admiral at Rannoch. The other two are longer, have a greater emotional connection to Shepard, are given more context, and frankly just FIT. Thessia reminds me of the side missions of ME1. Palaven's moon had the same thing. The difference is that it was better, and GARRUS. Take Garrus out and you see the same cracks start to appear.

[AielloA]

DoomMech wrote...

AielloA wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

SaltyWaffles-PD wrote...

9) Oh, yeah, they had a Prothean beacon and archive, which they subsequently hid behind a sacred religious site after making the concealment and withholding of any Prothean tech illegal, with serious penalties for breaking that law. They then used the archives to slowly-but-constantly maintain a technological, military, economic, and scientific edge over the rest of the galaxy, even their closest allies.

Would America have kept this technology hidden? You betcha!

The Asari aren't built for front line military. They are commando style. Having a tech edge kept a balance of power. I can see it from their perspective. They wouldn't want all this information falling into the hands of say... the Krogan, or the Humans who just got on the Citadel a few years earlier.

Also, when you compare what the Asari did instead of what the Humans, Krogan, Turians or Salarians would have done...

Humans: beefed up their military, then tried to grab power from the Asari.  Replacing one dominant race with another
Krogan: shrugged, converted it into a missile then nuked the **** out of everyone else.
Turians: beefed up their military, then tried to exterminate those upstart humans.  And they probably would have succeeded too.
Salarians: beefed up their intelligence/technology/commandoes then blackmailed everyone else into submission.  Also beat them to death with their hyperactive voices.

So yeah.  The Asari are absolute monsters.

Ignoring the rather glaring flaw in your argument in that everyone is supposed to be friends at this point.

I'd worry more about this information getting into the hands of someone with a grudge, like, say the batarians? Or god forbid the yagh?

If the Turians/Krogan/Salarians/whoever had the Beacon, they would have got it at the same time as the Asari did in canon.  To point out the glaring flaw in YOUR argument, no-one was friends until far after the Asari got the beacon.  Why are they all friends now?  Because the MONSTROUSLY EVIL Asari forced them to play nice instead of wiping them all out.  Again, you're missing the point.  The Yahg and Batarians don't HAVE the Prothean Beacon.  The Asari DO.  And they used it to make PEACE.

And we call them evil for it.

[OldSwede]

 I do not hate them, at all, but I certainly have felt confused about them, since they are supposed to be the "best" mediators of all races.  I have played ME1 and ME2 so many, many times and never really felt like they would be more or less ...selfish (having brain cramps again, can't find a better word atm)  than other races. 

Just my personal (humble) opinion though.

Modifié par OldSwede, 23 avril 2012 - 02:15 .

[MisterJB]

ryuasiu wrote...
We also thought we were alone in the universe when we publicly anounced to everyone on the planet we found it. I am 100% certain that had we known what was out there they would have kept it quiet. As far as the other races go, would not surprise me if they had their own. Think about it, Archives set for humans and the asari. It seems to me the protheans set them up to maxamize the success of ending the cycle. If that is the case I could see them setting up more to increase the chances. I doubt they would install 2 and call it a day

No, finding the archives proved exactly the contrary. That we were not alone in the universe. As far as we knew, the protheans could still be out there. And when we found the second one on Eden Prime, we were still going to share it.

And any other "hidden archives" that other species might have had would have been revealed since no one could possibly be as stupid as the asari who kept theirs hidden until the reapers were breathing on their necks.

[MisterJB]

AielloA wrote...
If the Turians/Krogan/Salarians/whoever had the Beacon, they would have got it at the same time as the Asari did in canon.  To point out the glaring flaw in YOUR argument, no-one was friends until far after the Asari got the beacon.  Why are they all friends now?  Because the MONSTROUSLY EVIL Asari forced them to play nice instead of wiping them all out.  Again, you're missing the point.  The Yahg and Batarians don't HAVE the Prothean Beacon.  The Asari DO.  And they used it to make PEACE.

And we call them evil for it.

No, they didn't. The Beacon, clearly, was not enough to make them powerful enough to destroy the other species or they would have; instead, they chose to use it to always keep themselves one step above everyone else since they did not have to share that knowledge with anyone while forcing everyone else to share theirs. That way, they subtly control any species who joins the Citadel.

Also, just so you know, the batarians did find prothean archives on their home system.

[General User]

MisterJB wrote...

AielloA wrote...
If the Turians/Krogan/Salarians/whoever had the Beacon, they would have got it at the same time as the Asari did in canon.  To point out the glaring flaw in YOUR argument, no-one was friends until far after the Asari got the beacon.  Why are they all friends now?  Because the MONSTROUSLY EVIL Asari forced them to play nice instead of wiping them all out.  Again, you're missing the point.  The Yahg and Batarians don't HAVE the Prothean Beacon.  The Asari DO.  And they used it to make PEACE.

And we call them evil for it.

No, they didn't. The Beacon, clearly, was not enough to make them powerful enough to destroy the other species or they would have; instead, they chose to use it to always keep themselves one step above everyone else since they did not have to share that knowledge with anyone while forcing everyone else to share theirs. That way, they subtly control any species who joins the Citadel.

Also, just so you know, the batarians did find prothean archives on their home system.

I actually disagree a bit here.  I don't think that the asari ever wanted to destroy other races necessarily (at least not right away).  I think they just liked being in charge.  The asari are a very ignoble race.  They liked being the proverbial "queen-of-the-hill" and lording over the "lesser races".  So they used their beacon just enough so they could maintain their advantage on the galactic stage.

[AielloA]

MisterJB wrote...

AielloA wrote...
If the Turians/Krogan/Salarians/whoever had the Beacon, they would have got it at the same time as the Asari did in canon.  To point out the glaring flaw in YOUR argument, no-one was friends until far after the Asari got the beacon.  Why are they all friends now?  Because the MONSTROUSLY EVIL Asari forced them to play nice instead of wiping them all out.  Again, you're missing the point.  The Yahg and Batarians don't HAVE the Prothean Beacon.  The Asari DO.  And they used it to make PEACE.

And we call them evil for it.

No, they didn't. The Beacon, clearly, was not enough to make them powerful enough to destroy the other species or they would have; instead, they chose to use it to always keep themselves one step above everyone else since they did not have to share that knowledge with anyone while forcing everyone else to share theirs. That way, they subtly control any species who joins the Citadel.

Also, just so you know, the batarians did find prothean archives on their home system.

Really?  The Asari would have destroyed all the other species if they could have?  What part of "Ardat-Yakshi" and "anti-Pureblood sentiment" is hard for you to understand?  If nothing else, the Asari would have preserved the other species for breeding stock.

And yes.  The batarians, like the humans, turians, salarians, presumably quarians and every other spacefaring race found Prothean archives on their homeworld.  They did NOT find a functioning Prothean Beacon.  The only races to have done that are humanity (Edem Prime), the Asari, and arguably the geth (Saren).  A working beacon is to a prothean archive what Eintein's Theory of Relativity is to x+y=z: infinitely more complex, with infinitely more uses.

[SuperVulcan]

I do not hate asari, I'm too busy hating the Reapers.

[JKuz]

Also, they have no ears, while on a otherwise human face

Cannot Unsee

[MisterJB]

AielloA wrote...
Really?  The Asari would have destroyed all the other species if they could have?  What part of "Ardat-Yakshi" and "anti-Pureblood sentiment" is hard for you to understand?  If nothing else, the Asari would have preserved the other species for breeding stock.

The reason asari culture promotes breeding with other species is because this weaken the father's species while empowering the asari. If other species weren't a threat, there would be no reason for the asari to mate with them.

And yes.  The batarians, like the humans, turians, salarians, presumably quarians and every other spacefaring race found Prothean archives on their homeworld.  They did NOT find a functioning Prothean Beacon.  The only races to have done that are humanity (Edem Prime), the Asari, and arguably the geth (Saren).  A working beacon is to a prothean archive what Eintein's Theory of Relativity is to x+y=z: infinitely more complex, with infinitely more uses.

Fine, they're not genocidal. They're greedy and selfish and hypocritical...
Unless cultural genocide counts.

Modifié par MisterJB, 23 avril 2012 - 02:38 .

[ryuasiu]

Sparatus wrote...

They are probably my least favorite race. Outside of Samara and Vasir, they just don't have that many interesting characters.

They also don't really fit in with the setting. And because of them, I think we got the gradual slide of maturity in the series until we ended up with a robot that has a cameltoe.

I thought Arai was interesting. Their race is know for being the peace keepers and calm people, then there is arai being a complete contradiction to that. Also I really liked her in Retribution

(Deception never happened, ignoring anything in that)

[Dartbeast54q]

Save a couple of individuals, Asari are my least favorite race. Yes I like vorcha and Batarians over 99% of asari. If the reapers had to pwn one homeworld, then let it be thessia. I disliked the whole mission for that matter; too short, turret, railroaded battle, just so much wrong. Having Javik with me was the only thing that made the mission interesting at all.

[darthoptimus003]

MisterJB wrote...

AielloA wrote...
Really?  The Asari would have destroyed all the other species if they could have?  What part of "Ardat-Yakshi" and "anti-Pureblood sentiment" is hard for you to understand?  If nothing else, the Asari would have preserved the other species for breeding stock.

The reason asari culture promotes breeding with other species is because this weaken the father's species while empowering the asari. If other species weren't a threat, there would be no reason for the asari to mate with them.

And yes.  The batarians, like the humans, turians, salarians, presumably quarians and every other spacefaring race found Prothean archives on their homeworld.  They did NOT find a functioning Prothean Beacon.  The only races to have done that are humanity (Edem Prime), the Asari, and arguably the geth (Saren).  A working beacon is to a prothean archive what Eintein's Theory of Relativity is to x+y=z: infinitely more complex, with infinitely more uses.

Fine, they're not genocidal. They're greedy and selfish and hypocritical...
Unless cultural genocide counts.

and not to mintion that when the one on eden prime got destroyed who where the first to bit** about it
so yeah i didnt like em much
hipocritic lieing backstabing horders that want all the tech for themselves
they got what they deservied till humans came to kick the reapers ass of the asari home world
oh wait that didnt happen sorry

[ryuasiu]

MisterJB wrote...

AielloA wrote...
Really?  The Asari would have destroyed all the other species if they could have?  What part of "Ardat-Yakshi" and "anti-Pureblood sentiment" is hard for you to understand?  If nothing else, the Asari would have preserved the other species for breeding stock.

The reason asari culture promotes breeding with other species is because this weaken the father's species while empowering the asari. If other species weren't a threat, there would be no reason for the asari to mate with them.

And yes.  The batarians, like the humans, turians, salarians, presumably quarians and every other spacefaring race found Prothean archives on their homeworld.  They did NOT find a functioning Prothean Beacon.  The only races to have done that are humanity (Edem Prime), the Asari, and arguably the geth (Saren).  A working beacon is to a prothean archive what Eintein's Theory of Relativity is to x+y=z: infinitely more complex, with infinitely more uses.

Fine, they're not genocidal. They're greedy and selfish and hypocritical...
Unless cultural genocide counts.

   I have not read anywhere that breeding with other species weakens that species. All it does is give the asari genetic diversity. Humans are already the most geneticly diverse in the system, Something that has been said in game SEVERAL times. Humans have not and do not have the ability to take over the system just bescuase we are more diverse, how would the asari be able too?

   As far as your second point, I am pretty mad at them for that, but at the end of the day we have to admit that had we been in a simular postion we would have kept it hidden too. As I said before I am sure we would  never had publicly said to earth we found the archives if they did not think there were aliens out there.

[MisterJB]

ryuasiu wrote...

I have not read anywhere that breeding with other species weakens that species. All it does is give the asari genetic diversity. Humans are already the most geneticly diverse in the system, Something that has been said in game SEVERAL times. Humans have not and do not have the ability to take over the system just bescuase we are more diverse, how would the asari be able too?

Numbers and manpower. It's one less human producing more asari rather than humans.
Keep in mind that, since asari live for a thousand years, they can do this repeteadly.

  As far as your second point, I am pretty mad at them for that, but at the end of the day we have to admit that had we been in a simular postion we would have kept it hidden too. As I said before I am sure we would  never had publicly said to earth we found the archives if they did not think there were aliens out there.

Finding the archives was what definitively proved that there were aliens out there.
Also, the Beacon on Eden Prime. We shared it.

[ryuasiu]

I am surprised no one brought this up though, Even if they did reveal the beacon and shared it, it would have been worthless. All information about the catalyst was on the VI, which needed the cipher to activate. Yes it is stupid they hid it and kept it for themselves but it would not have made a difference.

[omphaloskepsis]

MisterJB wrote...
The reason asari culture promotes breeding with other species is because this weaken the father's species while empowering the asari. If other species weren't a threat, there would be no reason for the asari to mate with them.

What are you talking about?  Are you making up alternate ME history (and lore)?

The asari mix with other races to promote genetic diversity.  That means that at a biological level (alleles) there's at least a small benefit in terms of spreading DNA from the "father" race.  There's no downside, unless you're a religious "every sperm (and ovum) is sacred" type--and even this is only rational if less than 50% of the "fathers" DNA is contributed.  

If 50% of genetic material is contributed, this is a net biological win for the "father" race, no matter how you look at it, because you're increasing the chance of allele survival in the future.  Below 50%, and maybe far below, still offers survival value for the simple reason of "not keeping all of your eggs in one basket".  Spreading genes to outside populations is a huge win for the father race.

[Varus Praetor]

Turians and Krogan's who exhibit a superiority complex do so based on the idea that their culture or civilization is better than humanity's. The Asari that exhibit a superiority complex seem to do so on the basis that their species is superior (natural biotics, long life...etc.).

The Turian and Krogan examples feel familiar because it's common IRL. The Asari position is unfamiliar and rubs me the wrong way.

I don't hate them and don't want to see Thessia destroyed, but I can understand not caring as much as for other worlds.

[Tom Lehrer]

General User wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Also, everytime I hear Liara complain about figthing Banshees, I feel like screaming:
"Asari, what do you think that those Husks we have been killing since day 1 used to be!?"

Oh me too!  It was like the war wasn't real to her until bad things started happening to asari.

Wanted to leave her behind every mission we had to take her on because of this kind of stuff from her.

[Red Dust]

They're sort of annoying in their programmed perfection. They were designed to be liked, and that doesn't sit well with me. Not unlike Tolkien elf characters. Beautiful, forever-young, live hundreds of years. A culture built around art, music, diplomacy. They're too clean. Too uniform. Literally. They all look the same. Like little purple and blue pod-people.

Of course, in the end, you find out they had a treasure-trove of Prothean data that they used to keep one slender boot on the neck of the galactic races. Assuring their supremacy while doing -nothing- to decode the actual pertinent information contained within.

I can safely say that the only Asari I actually enjoy is Samara. I tolerate Liara, who has her moments from time to time. The rest are just a blur of blue clone-babes. Boring race.