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[MisterJB]

drewelow wrote...
What are you talking about?  Are you making up alternate ME history (and lore)?

The asari mix with other races to promote genetic diversity.  That means that at a biological level (alleles) there's at least a small benefit in terms of spreading DNA from the "father" race.  There's no downside, unless you're a religious "every sperm (and ovum) is sacred" type--and even this is only rational if less than 50% of the "fathers" DNA is contributed.  

If 50% of genetic material is contributed, this is a net biological win for the "father" race, no matter how you look at it, because you're increasing the chance of allele survival in the future.  Below 50%, and maybe far below, still offers survival value for the simple reason of "not keeping all of your eggs in one basket".  Spreading genes to outside populations is a huge win for the father race.

All asari are 100% asari, no DNA of their father's species is passed onto the child. The only thing the asari do is use the parter's genes to randomize the genes of the offsrping so it doesn't produce a clone. And that is in the codex. So, there is no such thing as an half-asari, half-human baby.

The bias against Pure-Bloods is decribed, multiples times, as a cultural stigma that has no scientific basis whatsoever.
It just so happens that this cultural manipulation to breed outside of their species is very, very advantageous for the asari since they strenghten their numbers while weakening the numbers of the rival species.
Therefore, I have a theory that thi was a plan conjured by the Matriarchs of long ago and that it is only known to the highest levels of their government. Much like the Prothean Beacon. 

Modifié par MisterJB, 23 avril 2012 - 03:09 .

[Tom Lehrer]

drewelow wrote...

MisterJB wrote...
The reason asari culture promotes breeding with other species is because this weaken the father's species while empowering the asari. If other species weren't a threat, there would be no reason for the asari to mate with them.

What are you talking about?  Are you making up alternate ME history (and lore)?

The asari mix with other races to promote genetic diversity.  That means that at a biological level (alleles) there's at least a small benefit in terms of spreading DNA from the "father" race.  There's no downside, unless you're a religious "every sperm (and ovum) is sacred" type--and even this is only rational if less than 50% of the "fathers" DNA is contributed.  

If 50% of genetic material is contributed, this is a net biological win for the "father" race, no matter how you look at it, because you're increasing the chance of allele survival in the future.  Below 50%, and maybe far below, still offers survival value for the simple reason of "not keeping all of your eggs in one basket".  Spreading genes to outside populations is a huge win for the father race.

No DNA is taken from the father period. Read the codex.

[JKuz]

The bias against Pure-Bloods is decribed, multiples times, as a cultural stigma that has no scientific basis whatsoever.

Ardak - Yakshi

To Explain: A 1 percent chance that your child will be a super-powered sociopath what enjoys murder-death-killing others for fun and profit can probably be considered a significant basis for avoiding purestrain breeding

Morinth was CONSIDERED LOW END for Ardak - Yakshi shenanigans

Modifié par JKuz, 23 avril 2012 - 03:16 .

[MisterJB]

JKuz wrote...

The bias against Pure-Bloods is decribed, multiples times, as a cultural stigma that has no scientific basis whatsoever.

Ardak - Yakshi

Samara theorizes that the Ardat-Yakshi are at the root of the bias, she is not sure. However, officially, the bias exists because asari gain nothing when mating inside their own species. And that has no scientific basis.

[JKuz]

MisterJB wrote...

JKuz wrote...

The bias against Pure-Bloods is decribed, multiples times, as a cultural stigma that has no scientific basis whatsoever.

Ardak - Yakshi

Samara theorizes that the Ardat-Yakshi are at the root of the bias, she is not sure. However, officially, the bias exists because asari gain nothing when mating inside their own species. And that has no scientific basis.

Yes that is the Official reason because Asari society seems to be simultainiously very open on personal issues but very closed on societal-level ones

As a Human (And a IRL Human Supremasist at that!) I know I would be embarrased (!) if one out of every hundred births produced a muderous, charismatic, sociopath that uncontrolled typically have multi-digit death counts (Once Again: Morinth was considered LOW END)

Also I've always found it amusing that the other species go on and on about Human genetic diversity when we are essentially a race of clones. After the Toba Event there is more diversity in a single double digit tribe of Chimps than between the entirety of ****** Sapiens Sapiens

[KotorEffect3]

I don't know, I can't figure the mindset of much of the bsn most of the time. There is no real good reason to hate the asari.

[KotorEffect3]

Sparatus wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I don't know, I can't figure the mindset of much of the bsn most of the time. There is no real good reason to hate the asari.

Differing opinions.

The exact reason so many people like asari is the exact same reason I dislike them.

And why is that?  I probably have a neutral view of them in general.  Though I do like many of the individual asari characters (Liara, Aria, and Samara)

[Mcfly616]

DoomMech wrote...

Billyg3453 wrote...

People dislike Thessia more because the mission lacks the quality of Tuchanka + Ranoch. Also Kai leng

Quick Edit: Another issue people have is Shep's forced emotional reaction to the fall of Thessia. He gets very angry and depressed regardless of how the player feels, which generally matches up.

The Palaven moon mission was similarly bland but it doesn't nearly as much hate.

I liked both Palaven and Thessia....they were the two places I wanted to go most because we had never been there.....I also feel both are seriously lacking in content however....we only get 1 mission in each of these locations....but with Rannock and Tachunka we get 3 each.....hopefully they release an expansion adding more content for Palaven, Thessia and even Sur'Kesh.....doubtful though

[Tom Lehrer]

JKuz wrote...

The bias against Pure-Bloods is decribed, multiples times, as a cultural stigma that has no scientific basis whatsoever.

Ardak - Yakshi

To Explain: A 1 percent chance that your child will be a super-powered sociopath what enjoys murder-death-killing others for fun and profit can probably be considered a significant basis for avoiding purestrain breeding

Morinth was CONSIDERED LOW END for Ardak - Yakshi shenanigans

Where/when does it say she was 'low end'? Liara had one throw away line saying Morinth was just hitting her stride.

[ryuasiu]

MisterJB wrote...

ryuasiu wrote...

I have not read anywhere that breeding with other species weakens that species. All it does is give the asari genetic diversity. Humans are already the most geneticly diverse in the system, Something that has been said in game SEVERAL times. Humans have not and do not have the ability to take over the system just bescuase we are more diverse, how would the asari be able too?

Numbers and manpower. It's one less human producing more asari rather than humans.
Keep in mind that, since asari live for a thousand years, they can do this repeteadly.

  As far as your second point, I am pretty mad at them for that, but at the end of the day we have to admit that had we been in a simular postion we would have kept it hidden too. As I said before I am sure we would  never had publicly said to earth we found the archives if they did not think there were aliens out there.

Finding the archives was what definitively proved that there were aliens out there.
Also, the Beacon on Eden Prime. We shared it.

   That is a bit of a weak arguement and could be applied to any species "ZOMG a Quarion with a Human! they trying to make us weak and add to their fleet!" Also it seems you are implying they can produce anytime they want. that is not true, their partner has to be alive in order to bond with and take genetic material. Also I am pretty sure we are still out producing them since it has been established we are the fastest growing out of the species. If your theory was correct then why are they not the fastest growing?" Lets put numbers to that. From what we know Asari usually have one child per partner, and lets make that 1 child ever 50 years to account for breakups/divorce/salarian. that would be 20 childeren over 1000 years. Now lets look at the humans, one couple producing the average 2 kids at the average age of a parent ~30. and lets say those kids go off and have 2 kids of their own. That is ~66 humans produced over the same time period. Pretty sure they are not 'weakining' us by taking one out of the equation.

   And no we did not think there were other races out there after we found the archives. If you go back and read the first book Revalation, it was clear they believed there we no other species left. The reasoning was that the odds against life poping up somewhere else was so low it was presumed that the protheans and us were the only species that 'made it' as it were. Also if we were so sure there were other races out there, then why were we so shocked to run into the taurians and end up in the first contact war?

   Also I am pretty sure we did not share the news willingly. Once again if you go back and read Ascension we were cought red handed doing illegal AI research and had to agree to alot of regulations. Part of the agreement is that we had to be monitored in certain areas to ensure we would not break citidel law again. While I am sure the trade sactions lifted by the time ME1 happens, I am sure the monitoring is still ongoing. Even if it was not I do not think humanity would take the risk of getting cought again considering last time it hurt us.

[Red Dust]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I don't know, I can't figure the mindset of much of the bsn most of the time. There is no real good reason to hate the asari.

Differing opinions.

The exact reason so many people like asari is the exact same reason I dislike them.

And why is that?  I probably have a neutral view of them in general.  Though I do like many of the individual asari characters (Liara, Aria, and Samara)

People have differing opinions. If you can't wrap your head around this, I don't know what to tell you.

[acrb101]

DoomMech wrote...

(For the record, I have nothing against them, but the Fall of Thessia laid the irony on so thick, you could cut it with a knife; A species whose superiorty is due to a beacon they illegally hoarded to themselves are overpowered by a more advanced foe beacuse their superiorty made them a target. Add to this their aloofness coming to bite them in the ass, and you've got a irony sandwich that'd make Shakespeare proud)

The mission was lackluster, but I like that Thessia fell due to all the reasons you pointed out. Bioware did well in the reasoning why Thessia fell, just not in the mission itself. 

[KotorEffect3]

Red Dust wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I don't know, I can't figure the mindset of much of the bsn most of the time. There is no real good reason to hate the asari.

Differing opinions.

The exact reason so many people like asari is the exact same reason I dislike them.

And why is that?  I probably have a neutral view of them in general.  Though I do like many of the individual asari characters (Liara, Aria, and Samara)

People have differing opinions. If you can't wrap your head around this, I don't know what to tell you.

You can lecture me about different opinions or you can give me a reason.

[FatalX7.0]

Nope.

Asari are sexy.

[ryuasiu]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I don't know, I can't figure the mindset of much of the bsn most of the time. There is no real good reason to hate the asari.

I do not get it either. I actually do not get the hate of most species in general. There seems to be a touch of xenophobia in some people as far as aliens go I think.

[FatalX7.0]

Racism knows no bounds.

[Akranadas]

Asari lack a lot of traits that make up the other races. Aethyta points this out.

[FatalX7.0]

Sparatus wrote...

Please don't call me racist because I dislike a fictional race.

Racist.


Also, I didn't call you racist.

Until now.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 23 avril 2012 - 03:40 .

[Skirata129]

Billyg3453 wrote...

Quick Edit: Another issue people have is Shep's forced emotional reaction to the fall of Thessia. He gets very angry and depressed regardless of how the player feels, which generally matches up.

I actually thought it was because it was the first time he completely failed a mission objective.

[sistersafetypin]

MisterJB wrote...

AielloA wrote...
Really?  The Asari would have destroyed all the other species if they could have?  What part of "Ardat-Yakshi" and "anti-Pureblood sentiment" is hard for you to understand?  If nothing else, the Asari would have preserved the other species for breeding stock.

The reason asari culture promotes breeding with other species is because this weaken the father's species while empowering the asari. If other species weren't a threat, there would be no reason for the asari to mate with them.

Fine, they're not genocidal. They're greedy and selfish and hypocritical...
Unless cultural genocide counts.

Where are you getting this from? Last I checked Asari don't force anyone to mate with them.... Actually nevermind. You've clearly headcannoned this so much it's become fact. Carry on with the hate

[KotorEffect3]

Skirata129 wrote...

Billyg3453 wrote...

Quick Edit: Another issue people have is Shep's forced emotional reaction to the fall of Thessia. He gets very angry and depressed regardless of how the player feels, which generally matches up.

I actually thought it was because it was the first time he completely failed a mission objective.

He lost crucial intel which could have ended the war and saved the galaxy.  Of course he is going to be upset about it. 


Also anybody that isn't upset about Thessia has no damn soul.  Don't care if the asari aren't your favorites you are witnessing the destruction of the galaxy's most advanced civilization.  Brings back memories of Palevan and Earth burning.  It would be like seeing New York City burning

[SassyJazRzmataz]

[quote]KotorEffect3 wrote...


He lost crucial intel which could have ended the war and saved the galaxy.  Of course he is going to be upset about it. 

[\\quote]

Yeah I think this played a big part in it. 

[ryuasiu]

Sparatus wrote...

Please don't call me racist because I dislike a fictional race.

It depends on your reasons for not liking them. You have not stated your exact reason so I will give you the benefit of the doubt and guess you are not one. But I met several people that would not like a fictional race for a racist reason and ended up being racist in reality.

Examples:
"I do not like asari becuase they are blue" = racist
"I do not like asari becuase they are diffrent" = racist
"I do not like the asari becuase they had a hidden beacon' = not racist
"I do not like the asari becuase they are not written well" = not racist

So in short I dont thin your racist, but I do think I can call those that have racist reasons for not liking them racist