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[MisterJB]

[quote]ryuasiu wrote...

 That is a bit of a weak arguement and could be applied to any species "ZOMG a Quarion with a Human! they trying to make us weak and add to their fleet!" [/quote]
Completely different cases. The quarians can't reproduce with other species and their culture don't incentivate them to do so.
Tough I would resent any human who picked the Migrant Fleet over Earth.

[quote]Also it seems you are implying they can produce anytime they want. that is not true, their partner has to be alive in order to bond with and take genetic material.
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They don't actually take any genetic material from the father. That's a myth.
And while what you said is true, as asari live longer, they can have more partners.
In general, anyway.
 
Also I am pretty sure we are still out producing them since it has been established we are the fastest growing out of the species. If your theory was correct then why are they not the fastest growing?"[/quote]
Different cultures. Asari are descibed as very conservative, willing to wait centuries for a plan to come to fruition, while humans are abnormally ambitious and relentless in the pursuit of our goals. Thus, we are developing much faster than any other species
 
[quote]Lets put numbers to that. From what we know Asari usually have one child per partner, and lets make that 1 child ever 50 years to account for breakups/divorce/salarian. that would be 20 childeren over 1000 years. Now lets look at the humans, one couple producing the average 2 kids at the average age of a parent ~30. and lets say those kids go off and have 2 kids of their own. That is ~66 humans produced over the same time period. Pretty sure they are not 'weakining' us by taking one out of the equation.
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First, on what basis do you claim that asari only have one child per mate. For example, that turian/asari couple in ME3 has twins.
Second, you did not take into account that the asari children will reach maturity and have her own children.


  [quote]And no we did not think there were other races out there after we found the archives. If you go back and read the first book Revalation, it was clear they believed there we no other species left. The reasoning was that the odds against life poping up somewhere else was so low it was presumed that the protheans and us were the only species that 'made it' as it were. Also if we were so sure there were other races out there, then why were we so shocked to run into the taurians and end up in the first contact war?[/quote]
I will refrain from commenting on this because I do not remember exactly the mindset of the first chapter. It could be you are right.
I do remember, however, that Anderson asked if the attackers were prothean. Thus, it seems to me that the Alliance did not discard the possibility they were still out there.

  [quote]Also I am pretty sure we did not share the news willingly. Once again if you go back and read Ascension we were cought red handed doing illegal AI research and had to agree to alot of regulations. Part of the agreement is that we had to be monitored in certain areas to ensure we would not break citidel law again. While I am sure the trade sactions lifted by the time ME1 happens, I am sure the monitoring is still ongoing. Even if it was not I do not think humanity would take the risk of getting cought again considering last time it hurt us.
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This is not true actually. The Council tried to place a leash on humanity like you said but our embassador threatened with war and they backed off.
Of course, the Council spies on everyone but they couldn't monitor the Alliance legally.

If I remember correctly, Anderson's justification in ME1 was that sharing the info on the Prothean Beacon served to ease our relations with them. Point of the matter: Humanity shared their Prothean Beacon while the asari hid theirs.

[ryuasiu]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

Please don't call me racist because I dislike a fictional race.

Racist.


Also, I didn't call you racist.

Until now.

Please lets try to keep this civil, ok? 

[Lyrandori]

MisterJB wrote...

They're greedy, arrogant, hypocritical, narrow-minded, etc.

And humans are altruistic, humble, genuine, open-minded, etc.

Makes sense now.

[Tom Lehrer]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

He lost crucial intel which could have ended the war and saved the galaxy.  Of course he is going to be upset about it. 


Also anybody that isn't upset about Thessia has no damn soul.  Don't care if the asari aren't your favorites you are witnessing the destruction of the galaxy's most advanced civilization.  Brings back memories of Palevan and Earth burning.  It would be like seeing New York City burning

Tuchanka and Rannoch had me crying like a baby but I felt nothing for Thessia. 

[KotorEffect3]

Lyrandori wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

They're greedy, arrogant, hypocritical, narrow-minded, etc.

And humans are altruistic, humble, genuine, open-minded, etc.

Makes sense now.

I'd swear he was describing humanity.

[sistersafetypin]

MisterJB wrote...

ryuasiu wrote...

 That is a bit of a weak arguement and could be applied to any species "ZOMG a Quarion with a Human! they trying to make us weak and add to their fleet!"

Completely different cases. The quarians can't reproduce with other species and their culture don't incentivate them to do so.
Tough I would resent any human who picked the Migrant Fleet over Earth.

Terra Firma? This makes so much more sense now.

[KotorEffect3]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

He lost crucial intel which could have ended the war and saved the galaxy.  Of course he is going to be upset about it. 


Also anybody that isn't upset about Thessia has no damn soul.  Don't care if the asari aren't your favorites you are witnessing the destruction of the galaxy's most advanced civilization.  Brings back memories of Palevan and Earth burning.  It would be like seeing New York City burning

Tuchanka and Rannoch had me crying like a baby but I felt nothing for Thessia. 

Tuchanka and Rannoch were potentialy about the salvation of civilizations.  Thessia wasn't.

[MisterJB]

Lyrandori wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

They're greedy, arrogant, hypocritical, narrow-minded, etc.

And humans are altruistic, humble, genuine, open-minded, etc.

Makes sense now.

More than the asari, that's for sure.
But humanity's fault don't excuse the asari's.

[MisterJB]

sistersafetypin wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

ryuasiu wrote...

 That is a bit of a weak arguement and could be applied to any species "ZOMG a Quarion with a Human! they trying to make us weak and add to their fleet!"

Completely different cases. The quarians can't reproduce with other species and their culture don't incentivate them to do so.
Tough I would resent any human who picked the Migrant Fleet over Earth.

Terra Firma? This makes so much more sense now.

OMG, a human is more concerned about the fate of his homeworld than that of another species.
Clearly, he must believe humanity needs to stand alone in the galaxy.

[KotorEffect3]

MisterJB wrote...

Lyrandori wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

They're greedy, arrogant, hypocritical, narrow-minded, etc.

And humans are altruistic, humble, genuine, open-minded, etc.

Makes sense now.

More than the asari, that's for sure.
But humanity's fault don't excuse the asari's.

Last I checked there wasn't some pro-asari terrorist organization that was causing trouble for everybody and attempting to assasinate the council and take over the citadel during the reaper war.

Modifié par KotorEffect3, 23 avril 2012 - 04:02 .

[sistersafetypin]

MisterJB wrote...

sistersafetypin wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

ryuasiu wrote...

 That is a bit of a weak arguement and could be applied to any species "ZOMG a Quarion with a Human! they trying to make us weak and add to their fleet!"

Completely different cases. The quarians can't reproduce with other species and their culture don't incentivate them to do so.
Tough I would resent any human who picked the Migrant Fleet over Earth.

Terra Firma? This makes so much more sense now.

OMG, a human is more concerned about the fate of his homeworld than that of another species.
Clearly, he must believe humanity needs to stand alone in the galaxy.

No. Your comments do that. Your reasons for disliking the Asari are either made up, or they are because of traits that are standard in every race. And yet you're suprised someone would say something like that to you? lol ok.

[Complistic]

I hate how bioware is infatuated with asari.

[MisterJB]

KotorEffect3 wrote...
Last I checked there wasn't some pro-asari terrorist organization that was causing trouble for everybody and attempting to assasinate the council and take over the citadel during the reaper war.

No, the actual government body of the asari was hiding technology that could have been used to save Earth, Pallaven, Irune, etc.

Also, pro-asari terrorists? Those are the asari spectres.

[mauro2222]

I don't hate them, but some of them are like a lot of humans, you give them a hand and they take your arm, you complain, and they take your body, you cry, they take your soul.

[sistersafetypin]

MisterJB wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...
Last I checked there wasn't some pro-asari terrorist organization that was causing trouble for everybody and attempting to assasinate the council and take over the citadel during the reaper war.

No, the actual government body of the asari was hiding technology that could have been used to save Earth, Pallaven, Irune, etc.

Also, pro-asari terrorists? Those are the asari spectres.

So you can meet one person and make a value judgement on an entire race?

Cue: Saren, Indoctrinated Hanar, Shadow Broker, Dalatross, Wreav, Udina.

Admit that you don't like the asari for some random headcannon reason, because you sound more ridiculous the more you post

[KotorEffect3]

MisterJB wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...
Last I checked there wasn't some pro-asari terrorist organization that was causing trouble for everybody and attempting to assasinate the council and take over the citadel during the reaper war.

No, the actual government body of the asari was hiding technology that could have been used to save Earth, Pallaven, Irune, etc.

Also, pro-asari terrorists? Those are the asari spectres.

Every government has it's secrets and while she shared it late she still shared it.   And the only asari spectre we ran into was Tela Vasir and while yes she did betray Shepard and tried to Kill Liara, she wasn't so much a terrorist as she was just trying to aide what she considered a valuable resource in the SB.  Vasir and Shepard clashing was just two different agendas colliding.  And even then she didn't come across as being radically pro-asari. 

[kookman]

element eater wrote...

i like the asari the most of the alien species in ME

disliked thessia though, was looking forward to it all game but then it turns out to be a pretty bland mission with a cheap boss and you dont even realy get to see much of the surroundings

exactly i was really looking forward to seeing thessia, thought it might even be a hub world for part of the first half of the game.

that could be some dlc thessia hubworld acces with missions on it that would be awesome

[Tom Lehrer]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...


Tuchanka and Rannoch had me crying like a baby but I felt nothing for Thessia. 

Tuchanka and Rannoch were potentialy about the salvation of civilizations.  Thessia wasn't.

Then explain to me why I have no soul for not feeling sad after Thessia? I felt lots of anger but it was for Kai and how ****** poor his role in the mission was not because Thessia was on fire. To be honest I did not feel sorry for the Asari at all which is sad since even Balak was able to make me feel for the Baterians.

Modifié par Tom Lehrer, 23 avril 2012 - 04:13 .

[MisterJB]

sistersafetypin wrote...
Your reasons for disliking the Asari are either made up,

You know what's made up?
That mating with other species grants the asari more genetic diversity.
You know what's not made up? That any coupling of human/asari is just strenghtening a rival race.
But you actually think that the two aren't connected. Right.

or they are because of traits that are standard in every race.

I did not see every race hiding prothean technology while the galaxy burned. Did you?

[KotorEffect3]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...


Tuchanka and Rannoch had me crying like a baby but I felt nothing for Thessia. 

Tuchanka and Rannoch were potentialy about the salvation of civilizations.  Thessia wasn't.

Then explain to me why I have no soul for not feeling sad after Thessia? I felt lots of anger but it was for Kai and how ****** poor his role in the was not because Thessia was on fire. To be honest I did not feel sorry for the Asari at all which is sad since even Balak was able to make me feel for the Baterians.

You are witnessing the destruction of a civilization and I have to explain to you why it is bad?

[KotorEffect3]

MisterJB wrote...

sistersafetypin wrote...
Your reasons for disliking the Asari are either made up,

You know what's made up?
That mating with other species grants the asari more genetic diversity.
You know what's not made up? That any coupling of human/asari is just strenghtening a rival race.  Or maybe the human and the asari just like each other.
But you actually think that the two aren't connected. Right.

or they are because of traits that are standard in every race.

I did not see every race hiding prothean technology while the galaxy burned. Did you?

If they were hiding then the Asari councilor wouldn't have told Shepard about it now would she?

[Tom Lehrer]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

You are witnessing the destruction of a civilization and I have to explain to you why it is bad?

The Asari have been flying around for over 2000 years. How many colonies do you think they have? How many do you think live on these colonies?

Modifié par Tom Lehrer, 23 avril 2012 - 04:19 .

[MisterJB]

KotorEffect3 wrote...
Every government has it's secrets and while she shared it late she still shared it. 

Right, after there were Reapers on Thessia. The asari preferred to watch homeworlds burn with 10 million people being harvested per day than give up some political power.
Oh, thank you very much.

And the only asari spectre we ran into was Tela Vasir and while yes she did betray Shepard and tried to Kill Liara, she wasn't so much a terrorist as she was just trying to aide what she considered a valuable resource in the SB.  Vasir and Shepard clashing was just two different agendas colliding.  And even then she didn't come across as being radically pro-asari. 

The Spectres exist to keep the Council as the ruling power at any costs. And any Spectre will always favor their own species.
But a better example, there once was a Matriarch who argued in favor of Biotic Supremacy which, of course, means asari supremacy.

[Dean_the_Young]

General User wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Also, everytime I hear Liara complain about figthing Banshees, I feel like screaming:
"Asari, what do you think that those Husks we have been killing since day 1 used to be!?"

Oh me too!  It was like the war wasn't real to her until bad things started happening to asari.

This really sums up my distaste for Liara in particular: not so much for her doing it, but that you can't call her out on it. Liara's the first to offer sympathy and 'I understand', but the last to realize that she's not exactly unique in her grief.


As for the Asari, I dislike the general Sue-ness of the fanservice race, as was given in that long-ish list a few pages back. If Bioware really wanted to play it straight, I'd have demanded masculine bronze underwear models who can impregnate other species without even touching them. That would have been worth a laugh.

[KotorEffect3]

MisterJB wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...
Every government has it's secrets and while she shared it late she still shared it. 

Right, after there were Reapers on Thessia. The asari preferred to watch homeworlds burn with 10 million people being harvested per day than give up some political power.
Oh, thank you very much.

And the only asari spectre we ran into was Tela Vasir and while yes she did betray Shepard and tried to Kill Liara, she wasn't so much a terrorist as she was just trying to aide what she considered a valuable resource in the SB.  Vasir and Shepard clashing was just two different agendas colliding.  And even then she didn't come across as being radically pro-asari. 

The Spectres exist to keep the Council as the ruling power at any costs. And any Spectre will always favor their own species.
But a better example, there once was a Matriarch who argued in favor of Biotic Supremacy which, of course, means asari supremacy.

So why aren't you ragging on the Turians or Salarians?