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KotorEffect3 wrote...
Or maybe the human and the asari just like each other.

Of course. They might not even realize they are doing it, but the human is empowering a rival race nonetheless.
And all of this is encouraged by asari culture.

If they were hiding then the Asari councilor wouldn't have told Shepard about it now would she?

If they weren't hiding it, the asari councilor would have revealed it in front of the other councilors as soon as she heard talk of a prothean super-weapon, now wouldn't she?

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You are witnessing the destruction of a civilization and I have to explain to you why it is bad?


The Asari have been flying around for over 2000 years. How many colonies do you think they have? How many do you think live on these colonies?



So if New York got nuked you would think "oh that's ok the Americans have other towns and cities"?

You obviously aren't getting the point.

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So why aren't you ragging on the Turians or Salarians? 

Because this is an asari thread.

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MisterJB wrote...

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Or maybe the human and the asari just like each other.

Of course. They might not even realize they are doing it, but the human is empowering a rival race nonetheless.
And all of this is encouraged by asari culture.

If they were hiding then the Asari councilor wouldn't have told Shepard about it now would she?

If they weren't hiding it, the asari councilor would have revealed it in front of the other councilors as soon as she heard talk of a prothean super-weapon, now wouldn't she?



That was the first time she heard of crucible and it was just theory at that point.  Besides how was she to know that they were even connected?  It probably took some time before someone in her government gave her the heads up that they are connected.

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I hate Asari because they are all hookers....

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MisterJB wrote...

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So why aren't you ragging on the Turians or Salarians? 

Because this is an asari thread.



They have spectres as well (in fact the Turians probably have more than anybody else).  Oh and you happen to play as a human spectre.  So why rag on the asaris for have a few of their own in there?

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As for the Asari, I dislike the general Sue-ness of the fanservice race, as was given in that long-ish list a few pages back. If Bioware really wanted to play it straight, I'd have demanded masculine bronze underwear models who can impregnate other species without even touching them. That would have been worth a laugh.


Let's call them the Asiros.

Asiro: *plop* ...there, you will carry my seed.
Human: what? wait, WHAT?!
Asiro: You're pregnant with my offspring.
Human: But I'm male... I don't even... how is that possible?
Asiro: I'm a member of a ageless-sexy-intelligent-magic-powerfull species wich is also bisexual, even if we don't have gender.
Human: Oh... that makes sense.

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MisterJB wrote...

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Or maybe the human and the asari just like each other.

Of course. They might not even realize they are doing it, but the human is empowering a rival race nonetheless.




"rival race" you sound like those guys that where white sheets on their heads and burn crosses

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KotorEffect3 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...
Or maybe the human and the asari just like each other.

Of course. They might not even realize they are doing it, but the human is empowering a rival race nonetheless.
And all of this is encouraged by asari culture.

If they were hiding then the Asari councilor wouldn't have told Shepard about it now would she?

If they weren't hiding it, the asari councilor would have revealed it in front of the other councilors as soon as she heard talk of a prothean super-weapon, now wouldn't she?



That was the first time she heard of crucible and it was just theory at that point.  Besides how was she to know that they were even connected?  It probably took some time before someone in her government gave her the heads up that they are connected.



It was working prothean technology. The Crucible was presented as a prothean device. Even if it come off as grasping at strings, its not that hard to put 1 and 1 together and atleast let the one person alive able to understand the beacons take a look at that thing.

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That was the first time she heard of crucible and it was just theory at that point.  Besides how was she to know that they were even connected?  It probably took some time before someone in her government gave her the heads up that they are connected.

Are you serious? You are honestly trying to tell me that the councilor heard Liara speak about a prothean artiffact and it took her that long to figure it out that maybe, just maybe, the treasure trove of prothean technology they were hiding in their homeworld might have helped build it. And it just so happens that this realization came right when the Reapers were encroaching on Thessia.

C'mon!

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mauro2222 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

As for the Asari, I dislike the general Sue-ness of the fanservice race, as was given in that long-ish list a few pages back. If Bioware really wanted to play it straight, I'd have demanded masculine bronze underwear models who can impregnate other species without even touching them. That would have been worth a laugh.


Let's call them the Asiros.

Asiro: *plop* ...there, you will carry my seed.
Human: what? wait, WHAT?!
Asiro: You're pregnant with my offspring.
Human: But I'm male... I don't even... how is that possible?
Asiro: I'm a member of a ageless-sexy-intelligent-magic-powerfull species wich is also bisexual, even if we don't have gender.
Human: Oh... that makes sense.



ok, that was pretty funny.

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KotorEffect3 wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

You are witnessing the destruction of a civilization and I have to explain to you why it is bad?


The Asari have been flying around for over 2000 years. How many colonies do you think they have? How many do you think live on these colonies?



So if New York got nuked you would think "oh that's ok the Americans have other towns and cities"?

You obviously aren't getting the point.


Thessia is home to 5.5 billion people and the Asari have many many colonies and have had over 2000 years to populate them. How much has the the human population on Earth grown in the past 100 years alone?

New York would be a loss to be sure but it does not mean America will come to an end.

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"rival race" you sound like those guys that where white sheets on their heads and burn crosses

All Nations compete for power. It just so happens that the nations of the ME universe are also the species of the ME universe.
 It's not racism, it's a fact of life.

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Tom Lehrer wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

You are witnessing the destruction of a civilization and I have to explain to you why it is bad?


The Asari have been flying around for over 2000 years. How many colonies do you think they have? How many do you think live on these colonies?



So if New York got nuked you would think "oh that's ok the Americans have other towns and cities"?

You obviously aren't getting the point.


Thessia is how to 5.5 billion people and the Asari have many many colonies and have had over 2000 years to populate them. How much has the the human population on Earth grown in the past 100 years alone?

New York would be a loss to be sure but it does not mean America will come to an end.



I don't think you are understanding the symbolism of watching the center of a civilization going up in smoke. 

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MisterJB wrote...

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"rival race" you sound like those guys that where white sheets on their heads and burn crosses

All Nations compete for power. It just so happens that the nations of the ME universe are also the species of the ME universe.
 It's not racism, it's a fact of life.



You are making it out to be that anybody that happens to make love to an Asari is commiting an act of treason in your mind.  Your views are really extreme and way out of left field.

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People dislike Thessia more because the mission lacks the quality of Tuchanka + Ranoch. Also Kai leng

Quick Edit: Another issue people have is Shep's forced emotional reaction to the fall of Thessia. He gets very angry and depressed regardless of how the player feels, which generally matches up.


This, so much this. Thessia simply didn't match up, if I had killed geth or quarians on Rannoch I would have felt bad. If I had stopped Mordin I would have felt bad. There is nothing on Thessia for me to feel bad about, do I care that another world is lost to the Reapers? No, Earth and Palaven already fell. Best you can do is regroup and keep fighting.

As much as Liara is a decent character, I don't think my Shepard would have taken the fall of Thessia that hard, or be as sympathetic to her anymore than any other of the characters.

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Your reasons for disliking the Asari are either made up,

You know what's made up?
That mating with other species grants the asari more genetic diversity.

You know what's not made up? That any coupling of human/asari is just strenghtening a rival race.
But you actually think that the two aren't connected. Right.

or they are because of traits that are standard in every race.

I did not see every race hiding prothean technology while the galaxy burned. Did you?


Where. Do. You. Get. Your. Facts?

Also, I saw the Salarian Dalatross perfectly willing to watch Earth burn if we didn't help her maintain the Krogen Genocide. Also Batarians? Remember Jack's loyalty mission? Most of the children found their way their by way of Batarian Slavers. Turians? You played Tuchanka right? That massive bomb in the middle of a densely populated Krogen area?

The Asari government did what any other government in their position would have.

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[quote]MisterJB wrote...

[quote]ryuasiu wrote...

 That is a bit of a weak arguement and could be applied to any species "ZOMG a Quarion with a Human! they trying to make us weak and add to their fleet!" [/quote]
Completely different cases. The quarians can't reproduce with other species and their culture don't incentivate them to do so.
Tough I would resent any human who picked the Migrant Fleet over Earth.

[quote]Also it seems you are implying they can produce anytime they want. that is not true, their partner has to be alive in order to bond with and take genetic material.
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They don't actually take any genetic material from the father. That's a myth.
And while what you said is true, as asari live longer, they can have more partners.
In general, anyway.
 
Also I am pretty sure we are still out producing them since it has been established we are the fastest growing out of the species. If your theory was correct then why are they not the fastest growing?"[/quote]
Different cultures. Asari are descibed as very conservative, willing to wait centuries for a plan to come to fruition, while humans are abnormally ambitious and relentless in the pursuit of our goals. Thus, we are developing much faster than any other species
 
[quote]Lets put numbers to that. From what we know Asari usually have one child per partner, and lets make that 1 child ever 50 years to account for breakups/divorce/salarian. that would be 20 childeren over 1000 years. Now lets look at the humans, one couple producing the average 2 kids at the average age of a parent ~30. and lets say those kids go off and have 2 kids of their own. That is ~66 humans produced over the same time period. Pretty sure they are not 'weakining' us by taking one out of the equation.
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First, on what basis do you claim that asari only have one child per mate. For example, that turian/asari couple in ME3 has twins.
Second, you did not take into account that the asari children will reach maturity and have her own children.


  [quote]And no we did not think there were other races out there after we found the archives. If you go back and read the first book Revalation, it was clear they believed there we no other species left. The reasoning was that the odds against life poping up somewhere else was so low it was presumed that the protheans and us were the only species that 'made it' as it were. Also if we were so sure there were other races out there, then why were we so shocked to run into the taurians and end up in the first contact war?[/quote]
I will refrain from commenting on this because I do not remember exactly the mindset of the first chapter. It could be you are right.
I do remember, however, that Anderson asked if the attackers were prothean. Thus, it seems to me that the Alliance did not discard the possibility they were still out there.

  [quote]Also I am pretty sure we did not share the news willingly. Once again if you go back and read Ascension we were cought red handed doing illegal AI research and had to agree to alot of regulations. Part of the agreement is that we had to be monitored in certain areas to ensure we would not break citidel law again. While I am sure the trade sactions lifted by the time ME1 happens, I am sure the monitoring is still ongoing. Even if it was not I do not think humanity would take the risk of getting cought again considering last time it hurt us.
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This is not true actually. The Council tried to place a leash on humanity like you said but our embassador threatened with war and they backed off.
Of course, the Council spies on everyone but they couldn't monitor the Alliance legally.

If I remember correctly, Anderson's justification in ME1 was that sharing the info on the Prothean Beacon served to ease our relations with them. Point of the matter: Humanity shared their Prothean Beacon while the asari hid theirs.
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1) Wow...not really sure how to respond to that part. If a human fell in love for an alien and not another human I really do not see that as 'picking X over Earth'. I am just going to ignore that and just say that Quarions and humans are described as being very simular in game and in the books. Tali as a possible LI seems to indicate they can fall for others and that might be why some never come back to the fleet

2 - 4) Yes, they did have twins, but so can humans. I was not doing a deep hardcore mathmatical study, so things like twin rates were not accounted for. You are right that I did not account for the offsprings birth, but I was not accounting for what the average age of when an asari starts having childern. My figures start it as them starting a child at age 50, which honestly is problebly unrealistic for the asari since even at 100 they are seen as children. It is more likely the average age for them is 350 at the matron stage since that is when they want to start a faimly. The way I figured they have one child per partner is becuase so far, other the the twins, thats what we hace seen and heard. It they do have bigger faimlies I have not seen it in the games, books, or codecs. 
   
   For the sake of arguement let us say it is two children per partner like it is with humans, and take in all the factors into account. That still has humans producing faster than Asari.

Also if your wondering where I am getting the average age of 350:
The Matron[/b] stage of life begins around the age of 350, though it can be triggered earlier if the individual melds frequently. This period is marked by a desire to settle in one area and raise children. 

5) Skipping this since I re-read that section. It was heavily implied but still fairly debatable so I am droping that arguement

6) No, we did not get out of sanctions completely. We got less severe sanctions after talking to the council. The first option the council wanted was COMPELTE over site and even wanted to view all files in the fleet. We were able to get it knocked down so only research stations and the like had to be monitored. But as I said earlier, even if they lifted by the time ME1 happens then it still made people think twice of hiding the beacon. If we were willing to hide AI research then I am sure we would hide a beacan also. We either gave it up becuase we would be cought or as you said to ease relations of the incident

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MisterJB wrote...

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"rival race" you sound like those guys that where white sheets on their heads and burn crosses

All Nations compete for power. It just so happens that the nations of the ME universe are also the species of the ME universe.
 It's not racism, it's a fact of life.


More like a fact of this time society.

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I hate Asari because they are all hookers....

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Except Aria... But that's probably out of spite <_< lol

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sistersafetypin wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

sistersafetypin wrote...
Your reasons for disliking the Asari are either made up,

You know what's made up?
That mating with other species grants the asari more genetic diversity.

You know what's not made up? That any coupling of human/asari is just strenghtening a rival race.
But you actually think that the two aren't connected. Right.

or they are because of traits that are standard in every race.

I did not see every race hiding prothean technology while the galaxy burned. Did you?


Where. Do. You. Get. Your. Facts?

Also, I saw the Salarian Dalatross perfectly willing to watch Earth burn if we didn't help her maintain the Krogen Genocide. Also Batarians? Remember Jack's loyalty mission? Most of the children found their way their by way of Batarian Slavers. Turians? You played Tuchanka right? That massive bomb in the middle of a densely populated Krogen area?

The Asari government did what any other government in their position would have.



You mean they kept prothean technology hidden while creating laws that punish anyone who does the exact same thing harshly? Prothean technology that could have been used to prepare for the Reapers, only way earlier? Technology they weren't willing to share, even when all other races were in desperate need of help? Yes, all races commited all sorts of bad sh*t, it's just that what the asari did is far worse in comparison.


Oh, and about that last thing with the turians and the bomb on Tuchanka. While I personally don't like it, it's perfectly understandable as to why it was done. Think bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There was no garantuee that the krogan wouldn't simply keep fighting, so an "oh sh*t" button was put in place to avoid as many deaths as possible.

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Zardoc wrote...

sistersafetypin wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

sistersafetypin wrote...
Your reasons for disliking the Asari are either made up,

You know what's made up?
That mating with other species grants the asari more genetic diversity.

You know what's not made up? That any coupling of human/asari is just strenghtening a rival race.
But you actually think that the two aren't connected. Right.

or they are because of traits that are standard in every race.

I did not see every race hiding prothean technology while the galaxy burned. Did you?


Where. Do. You. Get. Your. Facts?

Also, I saw the Salarian Dalatross perfectly willing to watch Earth burn if we didn't help her maintain the Krogen Genocide. Also Batarians? Remember Jack's loyalty mission? Most of the children found their way their by way of Batarian Slavers. Turians? You played Tuchanka right? That massive bomb in the middle of a densely populated Krogen area?

The Asari government did what any other government in their position would have.



You mean they kept prothean technology hidden while creating laws that punish anyone who does the exact same thing harshly? Prothean technology that could have been used to prepare for the Reapers, only way earlier? Technology they weren't willing to share, even when all other races were in desperate need of help? Yes, all races commited all sorts of bad sh*t, it's just that what the asari did is far worse in comparison.


The council created laws. And yes, I do stand by the underlined. The head of governments almost always act in their people's best interest first. Look at the Turians not offering aid until you help solve their problems. Some of you are being naive.

Real World example? The US has the most Nukes out of any country in the world right now. And yet we have imposed santions on Iran because they are threatening to develop Nuclear Tech

Also my comments? Tailored to the person I was going back and forth with. After all, I don't know your reasons. 

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Where. Do. You. Get. Your. Facts?

1-It's in the Codex.
2-It is stated multiple times that the bias against Pure-Bloods has no scientific basis.

Also, I saw the Salarian Dalatross perfectly willing to watch Earth burn if we didn't help her maintain the Krogen Genocide.

Yes, she was being an idiot but this an asari thread and I also saw the salarian military throwing their lot in with the humans.
They were actually smart enough to realize what would happen if they weren't willing to make a few concessions and gain some allies.

Also Batarians? Remember Jack's loyalty mission? Most of the children found their way their by way of Batarian Slavers.

Yes, batarians practice slavery. Again, this is an asari thread.
The faults of other species don't excuse the faults of the asari.

Turians? You played Tuchanka right? That massive bomb in the middle of a densely populated Krogen area?

It was a tactically sound move done during the aftermath of a war that almost caused their extinction.
And they defused it. Not out of the goodness of their hearts, of course, but still.

The Asari government did what any other government in their position would have.

Maybe I'm just not cold hearted enough to believe that any other government would be willing to watch allied worlds burn rather than give up some political power.

Also, the Alliance shared the Prothean Beacon found on Eden Prime. And in times of peace, mind you. We could have kept it solely for ourselves.

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I don't hate the asari. In fact, I really like them. They have some very intriguing qualities (no, not only physical) in that their whole evolutionary process urges them to branch out rather than centralize. That's great.

I do however have a very strong resentment against specific asari, first and foremost the councilor. Her actions all throughout the trilogy show that she is just as bad or maybe even worse than Udina. She combines the worst of power-hungry self interest, manipulative dishonesty and negligence.IMO she is the worst of the council members and she is not a very good representative for her people.

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Zardoc wrote...

sistersafetypin wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

sistersafetypin wrote...
Your reasons for disliking the Asari are either made up,

You know what's made up?
That mating with other species grants the asari more genetic diversity.

You know what's not made up? That any coupling of human/asari is just strenghtening a rival race.
But you actually think that the two aren't connected. Right.

or they are because of traits that are standard in every race.

I did not see every race hiding prothean technology while the galaxy burned. Did you?


Where. Do. You. Get. Your. Facts?

Also, I saw the Salarian Dalatross perfectly willing to watch Earth burn if we didn't help her maintain the Krogen Genocide. Also Batarians? Remember Jack's loyalty mission? Most of the children found their way their by way of Batarian Slavers. Turians? You played Tuchanka right? That massive bomb in the middle of a densely populated Krogen area?

The Asari government did what any other government in their position would have.



You mean they kept prothean technology hidden while creating laws that punish anyone who does the exact same thing harshly? Prothean technology that could have been used to prepare for the Reapers, only way earlier? Technology they weren't willing to share, even when all other races were in desperate need of help? Yes, all races commited all sorts of bad sh*t, it's just that what the asari did is far worse in comparison.


Except everyone who knew about the Reapers stuck fingers in ears and denied their existence until it was too late. Even if the asari had shared the beacon, it wouldn't have helped much.