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[TonViper]

kegNeggs wrote...

had to think a good bit about that. for my shepard at the time, synthesis seemed the right choice.

(insert disappointment about lack of closure here)

In my one and so far only playthrough, I chose synthesis, but only through a process of elimination:

I didn't want to destroy the Geth after all the effort I put into solving their conflict with the Quarians peacefully, and doing the same thing The Illusive Man had been advocating just seemed wrong.

Thus, I chose synthesis, but it just felt like I was watching the end to something other than the game I'd just spent hours and hours playing. It completely tore me out of the experience, and I went straight onto BSN to see if it was just me. Turns out it wasn't.

[Zkyire]

feliciano2040 wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

I felt bad about killing the Geth, but no, I picked Destroy without any hesitation.

The whole point of the series has been to destroy the Reapers.

Why would we choose anything else?

Because you would be committing genocide and not breaking the cycle  ?

The only cycle is the cycle the Reapers themselves have been enacting.

Their reasoning of synthetics wiping out organics is complete bull**** as the Reapers have killed everyone before synthetics wiped out organics (otherwise the Reapers wouldn't even exist).

Conflict will always exist. SYnthetics vs organics. SYnthetics vs synthetics. Organics vs organics. Only now there'll be no Reapers to wipe everyone out repeatedly.

Modifié par Zkyire, 26 avril 2012 - 03:20 .

[PoisonMushroom]

I paced around a bit for dramatic effect but then went red. I was curious as to what synthesis would actually entail, but ultimately I ended up choosing the thing that would make sense within the context of the story.

That was the first and only time I made a decision in Mass Effect based on what made the most sense within the story, rather than based on what I thought would be the best decision.

[comrade8472]

oh first ending i got was crucible destroyed "insert DR: Evil laughter"

[magnutz06]

I was so upset with the thought of choosing a color for Sheps suicide I let my wife choose. She went synthesis. After having all my assets ignored and meeting starchild I was to shocked to even care...sadly it got worst when I realized Buzz Aldrins part in the game belonged to the creepy old guy next to mini man ( that was no kid). Talk about insult to injury!!

[Ecrulis]

Without hesitation went with red, of course in my head none of that happened and this is really what occured http://www.fanfictio...3_Liaras_Ending

[feliciano2040]

Zkyire wrote...

The only cycle is the cycle the Reapers themselves have been enacting.

You're not accounting for the possibility that synthetics may kill organics again, you haven't broken the cycle of extinction, you've only destroyed the reapers and the geth.............and EDI. 

Zkyire wrote...Their reasoning of synthetics wiping out organics is complete bull**** as the Reapers have killed everyone before synthetics wiped out organics (otherwise the Reapers wouldn't even exist).

This doesn't make sense, The Reapers were created precisely because synthetic civilizations destroyed organic ones. How do you know that a million times in a million cycles, before The Reapers were created, synthetics ended up destroying all life in the galaxy over and over and over again ?

Conflict will always exist. SYnthetics vs organics. SYnthetics vs synthetics. Organics vs organics. Only now there'll be no Reapers to wipe everyone out repeatedly.

Just synthetics killing organics, the cycle still remains, it has only changed authors.

With synthesis, the reapers become obsolete, and so they leave, and both organics and synthetics are now just life, they will never kill each other again on the misguided belief that one is / isn't alive.

[JamieCOTC]

Aaleel wrote...

I went for the destroy. To quote Ripley "It's the only way to be sure."

This.

I took synthesis the first time because I took the "leap of faith" that StarKid was telling the truth and it would not only end the cycles, but neither organics nor synthetics would ever have the upper hand on the other.  After thinking about it for a while I just kept coming up w/ reasons why that was the wrong choice even beyond the morally bankrupt decision of rewriting everyone’s DNA. Synthesis doesn’t negate evolution or the “cosmic imperative” that only the strong survive.  The Reapers still being the strongest by far, would they simply become docile and live in peace? Who’s to say that being set loose from the catalyst wouldn’t make them even more of a threat?  And assuming the new organic/synthetic galaxy kept their diversity and not become totally homogenized, would they simply forgive and forget?  There are too many unknowns, which is why it’s a leap of faith, (I get the point BW), therefore I have shot the tubes every time since.  It’s the only way to be sure.  

[TonViper]

feliciano2040 wrote...

This doesn't make sense, The Reapers were created precisely because synthetic civilizations destroyed organic ones. How do you know that a million times in a million cycles, before The Reapers were created, synthetics ended up destroying all life in the galaxy over and over and over again ?

That one is easy to answer: Because there haven't been that many cycles since the universe was created. Assuming 50000 years in each cycle and a universe with an age of roughly 13.7 billion years, there can't have been more than 274000 cycles in total, and that's in itself only if the reapers were created at the exact moment when the conditions for life were even possible to exist in our universe.

It's more likely that Reapers have existed for no more than 200000 cycles or so, given that life needed to evolve first, and that took about a few billion years on our planet.

[Stygian1]

Yeah I shot the pipe, then thought I missed or did something wrong and reloaded and tried grabbing the electrical outlets.

Results were similar.

[ZombieJohn84]

Aaleel wrote...

I went for the destroy. To quote Ripley "It's the only way to be sure."

Fuckin' A!

Control, I thought, wasn't nearly absolute enough.  What's Shepard gonna do?  Go hang out in Dark Space for all eternity?  What would stop him from one day, millions of years from then, saying, "Eff it.  I'm simply tired of being here.  Let's go 'cleanse' the galaxy!"  Cabin fever's a bit##!

I didn't get Synthesis but wouldn't have messed with it anyway, too many questions and seems really thin.

Red it is!

Really didn't think much about it.  SK said red wasn't an absolute because organics would eventually create more AIs that would kill them, but... you know, that's how freedom works.  So where's this tube I shoot?

Modifié par ZombieJohn84, 26 avril 2012 - 04:11 .

[Delta_V2]

feliciano2040 wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

The only cycle is the cycle the Reapers themselves have been enacting.

You're not accounting for the possibility that synthetics may kill organics again, you haven't broken the cycle of extinction, you've only destroyed the reapers and the geth.............and EDI. 

Zkyire wrote...Their reasoning of synthetics wiping out organics is complete bull**** as the Reapers have killed everyone before synthetics wiped out organics (otherwise the Reapers wouldn't even exist).

This doesn't make sense, The Reapers were created precisely because synthetic civilizations destroyed organic ones. How do you know that a million times in a million cycles, before The Reapers were created, synthetics ended up destroying all life in the galaxy over and over and over again ?

Conflict will always exist. SYnthetics vs organics. SYnthetics vs synthetics. Organics vs organics. Only now there'll be no Reapers to wipe everyone out repeatedly.

Just synthetics killing organics, the cycle still remains, it has only changed authors.

With synthesis, the reapers become obsolete, and so they leave, and both organics and synthetics are now just life, they will never kill each other again on the misguided belief that one is / isn't alive.

First, this only applies if you actually believe the Catalyst.  Considering he is the greatest mass murderer in the history of the galaxy and the leader of the enemy you have been fighting to the death the past three games, I do not.  In fact, I consider it absurd that Shepard would consider a single thing the Catalyst says after he claims the Reapers are his solution.

But even if you assume the Catalyst correct and synthetics will eventually wipe out organics, how is that a cycle?  That would be a one-time deal.  Synthetics wipe out organic life, and game over.  The only 'cycle' is the Reapers.

The Catalyst's logic hinges on the premise that synthetics will wipe out all organic life, not just some of it.  Otherwise the organic-synthetic conflict is no different from what the Reapers are doing.  In which case, that stupid "Yo dawg..." meme becomes perfectly accurate.  The problem is, synthetics have clearly never wiped out all organic life, since organic life still exists.  And if it has never happened before, you cannot claim that it will happen with 100% certainty in the future.

[richard_rider]

Delta_V2 wrote...

First, this only applies if you actually believe the Catalyst.  Considering he is the greatest mass murderer in the history of the galaxy and the leader of the enemy you have been fighting to the death the past three games, I do not.  In fact, I consider it absurd that Shepard would consider a single thing the Catalyst says after he claims the Reapers are his solution.

But even if you assume the Catalyst correct and synthetics will eventually wipe out organics, how is that a cycle?  That would be a one-time deal.  Synthetics wipe out organic life, and game over.  The only 'cycle' is the Reapers.

The Catalyst's logic hinges on the premise that synthetics will wipe out all organic life, not just some of it.  Otherwise the organic-synthetic conflict is no different from what the Reapers are doing.  In which case, that stupid "Yo dawg..." meme becomes perfectly accurate.  The problem is, synthetics have clearly never wiped out all organic life, since organic life still exists.  And if it has never happened before, you cannot claim that it will happen with 100% certainty in the future.

Amen brother, amen.

[feliciano2040]

TonViper wrote...

feliciano2040 wrote...

This doesn't make sense, The Reapers were created precisely because synthetic civilizations destroyed organic ones. How do you know that a million times in a million cycles, before The Reapers were created, synthetics ended up destroying all life in the galaxy over and over and over again ?

That one is easy to answer: Because there haven't been that many cycles since the universe was created. Assuming 50000 years in each cycle and a universe with an age of roughly 13.7 billion years, there can't have been more than 274000 cycles in total, and that's in itself only if the reapers were created at the exact moment when the conditions for life were even possible to exist in our universe.

It's more likely that Reapers have existed for no more than 200000 cycles or so, given that life needed to evolve first, and that took about a few billion years on our planet.

Nice calculations, but why are you assuming Mass Effect's universe is the same as ours ? Why do you assume their universe is exactly like ours ? Do we have ruins on Mars in our reality ? Do we have biotics and mass effect cores in our vehicles ?

Even if that was it's age, which there's no confirmation of, couldn't The Catalyst have come to the conclusion that after a ten thousand cycles, a solution needed to be proposed ? What if The Catalyst comes from another reality ? Maybe string theory does exist in the Mass Effect universe, maybe not.

[TonViper]

feliciano2040 wrote...

Nice calculations, but why are you assuming Mass Effect's universe is the same as ours ? Why do you assume their universe is exactly like ours ? Do we have ruins on Mars in our reality ? Do we have biotics and mass effect cores in our vehicles ?

Even if that was it's age, which there's no confirmation of, couldn't The Catalyst have come to the conclusion that after a ten thousand cycles, a solution needed to be proposed ? What if The Catalyst comes from another reality ? Maybe string theory does exist in the Mass Effect universe, maybe not.

Why do I assume their universe is the same as ours? Well, the milky way clearly exists. The solar system clearly exists. Pretty much everything we know about our galaxy has been shown to exist in the games. We're told that their reality functions like ours, except they know what dark matter is and how to exploit it to create an intragalactic community. Occam's razor is a principle that states that if you're looking at two competing hypotheses that explain the same thing, then you should choose the one that makes the least assumptions.

So what is more likely: The ME universe is like ours, age and all, except they've discovered what dark matter is, or else their universe is much older than ours and somehow it still has a milky way, a solar system and everything else the developers have included that looks exactly like we know it, which it only can if it has a certain age.

[Delta_V2]

feliciano2040 wrote...

TonViper wrote...

feliciano2040 wrote...

This doesn't make sense, The Reapers were created precisely because synthetic civilizations destroyed organic ones. How do you know that a million times in a million cycles, before The Reapers were created, synthetics ended up destroying all life in the galaxy over and over and over again ?

That one is easy to answer: Because there haven't been that many cycles since the universe was created. Assuming 50000 years in each cycle and a universe with an age of roughly 13.7 billion years, there can't have been more than 274000 cycles in total, and that's in itself only if the reapers were created at the exact moment when the conditions for life were even possible to exist in our universe.

It's more likely that Reapers have existed for no more than 200000 cycles or so, given that life needed to evolve first, and that took about a few billion years on our planet.

Nice calculations, but why are you assuming Mass Effect's universe is the same as ours ? Why do you assume their universe is exactly like ours ? Do we have ruins on Mars in our reality ? Do we have biotics and mass effect cores in our vehicles ?

Even if that was it's age, which there's no confirmation of, couldn't The Catalyst have come to the conclusion that after a ten thousand cycles, a solution needed to be proposed ? What if The Catalyst comes from another reality ? Maybe string theory does exist in the Mass Effect universe, maybe not.

Again, the only 'cycle' is because of the Reapers.  Synthetics wiping out all organic life cannot be a 'cycle' because it would be a one-time thing.  Once synthetics became advanced enough to wipe out all organic life, no new life would ever be able to emerge.  And if the Synthetics didn't actually wipe out all organics, how are they any worse than the Reapers?

[robarcool]

I went straight i.e. really straight until I found my Shepard getting dissolved  and green light emitting from citadel.<_<

[jeff359]

I went with the band-aid removal technique... I went green. It looked like it would be shorter stumble to an ending.

[nitefyre410]

Think as in "hmm what color should I choose?" then no I did not..

Think as it " WTF IS THIS BULL****?" then yes I did.

[eddieoctane]

Well, control was a terrible option right from the get-go. With the implication that Shepard's implants are a liability with destroy, I couldn't be sure if it would be a genocide on both the Geth and Quarians. So I went with synthesis. Once I saw people walking around with circuit boards under their skin, I knew I had made a terrible mistake.

[SetecAstronomy]

My tech-head Engineer Shepard didn't think twice, went straight for Synthesis.
My trigger-happy Gun Nerd Shepard didn't think twice, went straight to red.
None of my Shepards have the chutzpah to attempt Control.

[Drogonion]

I did. I thought they were all stupid. I waited so long the first time that the game automatically ended saying the reapers won because I took so long....lol.

[An English Gamer]

 I thought the Catalyst said that only synthesis blew up the relays, so I actually spent time really thinking about what I was going to choose. That part of the game was actually at that moment incredibly difficult because I thought the results could be enormously different with huge consequences. It took me a while.
Of course that was the opposite of reality. Everyone dies. The end.

[PlatonicWaffles]

Control was non-sensible given how that's what Martin Sheen wanted.
Synthesis came out of no where and was entirely irrelevant to ME1 and 2.

Ergo, straight to Destroy.

[Talogrungi]

Primarily Paragon player; went straight to red. Never was a huge fan of the Geth anyway; their loss is a small price to pay for ending the Reaper threat.

Synthesis and Control? .. commit suicide on the suggestion of the Reaper god?

Not a chance.