And I have enjoyed making my choices in this game. But the discussion is not about Origins, the discussion is about continuing the story to a sequel. So I am just saying that I would not be happy with a canon sequel, but I do understand what you are saying (with your dev cap on).
When DA2 comes out, how would you like to see your choices transferred?
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#52
Posté 07 décembre 2009 - 02:31
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fantasypisces wrote...
And I have enjoyed making my choices in this game. But the discussion is not about Origins, the discussion is about continuing the story to a sequel. So I am just saying that I would not be happy with a canon sequel, but I do understand what you are saying (with your dev cap on).
As much as I would like an open-started sequel, I cannot disagree with FedericoV. Being a game developer myself, I can imagine how much work a canon would save. On the other hand, they DID make DA:O start in six different ways, so who knows...
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Posté 07 décembre 2009 - 02:33
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Alex Savchovsky wrote...
fantasypisces wrote...
And I have enjoyed making my choices in this game. But the discussion is not about Origins, the discussion is about continuing the story to a sequel. So I am just saying that I would not be happy with a canon sequel, but I do understand what you are saying (with your dev cap on).
As much as I would like an open-started sequel, I cannot disagree with FedericoV. Being a game developer myself, I can imagine how much work a canon would save. On the other hand, they DID make DA:O start in six different ways, so who knows...
I agree. I don't care about every decision being addressed in a sequel but at least one or two. Mainly the major decisions is what I would hope for.
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Posté 07 décembre 2009 - 02:35
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I think that DA2 should be something like Sims: Denerim. If you gave 5 sov to the bar maid in Redcliff you would see her new bar in Denerim
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Posté 07 décembre 2009 - 02:37
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Thats why I assume DA:2 has to be about new characters. Indeed 30 years on at least would mean both your PC and Alistair have gone/about to go to the deep roads.
It would mean that in any game your PC is out the way. So if one of you took the sacrifice or not its the same.
Lets say whoever ends up on the throne has no children then Fereldan will be without an heir, and potentially the ruler has died. So to tie up that spot, if Anora was queen, she gets assassinated at the games beginning, or natural causes.
It is easy to figure that Morrigan would find a way for the soul of Urthemiel to be reborn, whether you where involved or not
. This child is now of the right age for adventuring and were about ready for DA:2.
It would mean that in any game your PC is out the way. So if one of you took the sacrifice or not its the same.
Lets say whoever ends up on the throne has no children then Fereldan will be without an heir, and potentially the ruler has died. So to tie up that spot, if Anora was queen, she gets assassinated at the games beginning, or natural causes.
It is easy to figure that Morrigan would find a way for the soul of Urthemiel to be reborn, whether you where involved or not
. This child is now of the right age for adventuring and were about ready for DA:2.
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Posté 07 décembre 2009 - 02:45
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Alex Savchovsky wrote...
fantasypisces wrote...
And I have enjoyed making my choices in this game. But the discussion is not about Origins, the discussion is about continuing the story to a sequel. So I am just saying that I would not be happy with a canon sequel, but I do understand what you are saying (with your dev cap on).
As much as I would like an open-started sequel, I cannot disagree with FedericoV. Being a game developer myself, I can imagine how much work a canon would save. On the other hand, they DID make DA:O start in six different ways, so who knows...
Yep, we can hope that they find a meaningful way to take note of our choices but we should prepair for some cuts and some sort of minor or major canon here and there. Maybe Bioware will find a reasonable compromise. But honestly I would prefer 6 completely new origins settled in the whole of Thedas than playing the outcome of my previous choices.
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Posté 07 décembre 2009 - 04:41
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FedericoV wrote...
Alex Savchovsky wrote...
fantasypisces wrote...
And I have enjoyed making my choices in this game. But the discussion is not about Origins, the discussion is about continuing the story to a sequel. So I am just saying that I would not be happy with a canon sequel, but I do understand what you are saying (with your dev cap on).
As much as I would like an open-started sequel, I cannot disagree with FedericoV. Being a game developer myself, I can imagine how much work a canon would save. On the other hand, they DID make DA:O start in six different ways, so who knows...
Yep, we can hope that they find a meaningful way to take note of our choices but we should prepair for some cuts and some sort of minor or major canon here and there. Maybe Bioware will find a reasonable compromise. But honestly I would prefer 6 completely new origins settled in the whole of Thedas than playing the outcome of my previous choices.
Pretty much completely agree here. It's a matter of priorities. Would I rather the finite cinematics/ development/ writing budgets went into making a game that accounted for every possible choice from the first game? Or would I rather have that blood and treasure focused on building an exceptional new game that I can enjoy? The first is too backwards looking for my taste -- I'm probably going to be playing the heck out of all the choices and endings in DA:O (just like I did with KOTOR, etc.) and will be more than ready for a new experience come the sequel.
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Posté 07 décembre 2009 - 04:50
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I suspect the next game will be in Antiva, it seems like a fairly "dark" country without being too alien(*cough* Qunari *cough*), and people have already been throughout Ferelden.
They have a huge world I would be really surprised if they didn't use it more in next game.
Antiva is also not very close to Ferelden, so what happens in this game matters less there, especially random choices of internal politics from one character in the vast history
It wouldn't matter much if you go 100-200 year in the future, if the Grey Warden sacrificed himself to kill the Arch Demon or let another person do it. Most probably on the name will be remembered, history usually work like that.
They have a huge world I would be really surprised if they didn't use it more in next game.
Antiva is also not very close to Ferelden, so what happens in this game matters less there, especially random choices of internal politics from one character in the vast history
It wouldn't matter much if you go 100-200 year in the future, if the Grey Warden sacrificed himself to kill the Arch Demon or let another person do it. Most probably on the name will be remembered, history usually work like that.
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Posté 07 décembre 2009 - 05:44
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FedericoV wrote...
Ah, the fact about canon ending that kills roleplay is pure nonsense. You allways roleplay in a given context. The choices you have made in DA:O are significant for that gaming context. The context could change but it will be roleplaying no matter what. So, cut the crap and just admit that you are too attached to your DA:O's avatar to accept a different ending than the one you choose. That at least it's honest.
Wow. SRSLY? I'm glad that you have such an insight into my psyche (and such an awesome affinity for totally pointless and semi-coherent ad hominem arguments). [/Sarcasm]Aside from the fact that I completely, and respectfully disagree with you, I would hope that the fact that the game is named Dragon Age: ORIGINS would clue you into the fact that a canon "story" would totally obviate the whole premise that the game is built on, BUT. Whatever, I guess.
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Posté 07 décembre 2009 - 05:47
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I'd say use the last saved game if there is one (look to find DA1 and let the player pick the character and save) but if there is no DA1 then just use some defaults or let the player pick from some basic options.
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Posté 07 décembre 2009 - 06:04
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I hope DA2 doesn't return to the same PC. His/her story is done, lets have a new one. Also, I prefer gaming at lower levels and don't want to see a host of extra 'super-high' level abilities.
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Posté 07 décembre 2009 - 06:05
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My bet on the "hook" is that the Wardens are very upset and worried that there was no "sacrifice" when the archdemon died (establishing canon that Morrigan is preggers with a Grey Warden child). I also think it will be more of a "journey" story with the heroes summoned to Orlais followed by spending a good portion of the game travelling to Weisshaupt Castle. It will be set up for a DA3 showdown with the God-child...who may, or may not, actually be evil. Perhaps the Chantry is lying about a lot!
Also, there will be griffons.
Also, there will be griffons.
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Posté 07 décembre 2009 - 06:26
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First i'd like to see how it works for ME2. In theory it sound nice, but practically it may have some shortcomings.
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Posté 07 décembre 2009 - 07:00
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i think i would go all mental when it turns out that you can start with your pc (well, if hel lived....) and the companions that remained with you.
any other option would make me consider for a moment, because this folks just grew on me bign time
any other option would make me consider for a moment, because this folks just grew on me bign time
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Posté 07 décembre 2009 - 07:04
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One possibility I've been thinking about for the sequel is not only to put it a few centuries in the future/in another nation, but to allow the gameworld to have a real sense of progress like the real world.
Thedas seems to be more or less in the late middle ages - 1400 or so, judging by the Qunari having access to firearms. Much as Europe in the Middle Ages, the explanation for the "natural" world (including spirits, demons, and darkspawn) is bound up in religion, although we get some sideways hints that there are other possibilities.
Pushing the game forward say 200-300 years, you could have the widespread use of guns and the start of the scientific revolution. People will start systematizing how magic works, studying what the fade really is, and hypothesizing about blights.
Then the next game after that could be steampunk, and have a Darwin-like figure who manages to come up with an alternate theory to explain the darkspawn.
Thedas seems to be more or less in the late middle ages - 1400 or so, judging by the Qunari having access to firearms. Much as Europe in the Middle Ages, the explanation for the "natural" world (including spirits, demons, and darkspawn) is bound up in religion, although we get some sideways hints that there are other possibilities.
Pushing the game forward say 200-300 years, you could have the widespread use of guns and the start of the scientific revolution. People will start systematizing how magic works, studying what the fade really is, and hypothesizing about blights.
Then the next game after that could be steampunk, and have a Darwin-like figure who manages to come up with an alternate theory to explain the darkspawn.
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 11:13
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I think that you should be able to start in the place of your epilogue.
Like, if you romanced Zevran, and in the epilogue of Awakening, it stated that you and Zevran went to Antiva and are leaders of the Crows. I think that in the beginning of DA2, you should start out in Antiva, ruling the Crows with Zevran. Or if you married Alistair or Anora, and your epilougge said you returned to court then vanished, I think you should start out in the middle of no where with a good reason why you left. Or if you chose to follow Morrigan at the end of Origins, your epilogue will state that you still search for her. I think that you should be somewhere near her, and you have to go find her.
Like, if you romanced Zevran, and in the epilogue of Awakening, it stated that you and Zevran went to Antiva and are leaders of the Crows. I think that in the beginning of DA2, you should start out in Antiva, ruling the Crows with Zevran. Or if you married Alistair or Anora, and your epilougge said you returned to court then vanished, I think you should start out in the middle of no where with a good reason why you left. Or if you chose to follow Morrigan at the end of Origins, your epilogue will state that you still search for her. I think that you should be somewhere near her, and you have to go find her.
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 11:16
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Mizayo wrote...
I think that you should be able to start in the place of your epilogue.
Like, if you romanced Zevran, and in the epilogue of Awakening, it stated that you and Zevran went to Antiva and are leaders of the Crows. I think that in the beginning of DA2, you should start out in Antiva, ruling the Crows with Zevran. Or if you married Alistair or Anora, and your epilougge said you returned to court then vanished, I think you should start out in the middle of no where with a good reason why you left. Or if you chose to follow Morrigan at the end of Origins, your epilogue will state that you still search for her. I think that you should be somewhere near her, and you have to go find her.
Yeah about that, not gonna happen. But we got Hawke now and he's going to amp up the intensity and bring it to the limit so hey no worries.
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Posté 08 juillet 2010 - 11:27
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I think the whole reason that it takes place far from Ferelden is so that they won't have to transfer doodly-squat. Sounds like DA2 is completely independent of DA1. It's only a sequel in the loosest sense of the word. Personally, I'd call it a story set in the same universe, but not a sequel.
