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[Sweawm]

Mass Effect 3 is good, I'll give it that, but all EA have done is hinder Bioware. ME3 is proof that Bioware can still persist through the harsh choking stranglehold that is EA's control.

I myself, am a still persisting fan of the series, but with the nonsense of Deception and now the direction that EA has taken the series, I find my interest slipping.

[GhostV9]

No. Because Mass Effect 3 is not a good game.

[ncknck]

ARE INFECTED WITH BW NOSTALGIA.

while i may or may not agree with topics opinion, it seems to me you basically disallowed to post anyone who doesnt like ME3. There are a few people who dont like the ending, to them the game is bad, and thats their valid point. I cant really see how it can be omitted in such a discussion. good and bad are pretty subjective things.

[Lord Phoebus]

Good possibly, but not great. Don't get me wrong I think ME3 is an okay game (8/10 without the ending 7/10 with it). That said the game is very safe, most of the design choices and level design is moving towards the big titles in the genre (i.e. Gears of Wars). There's nothing wrong with that per se, however I can't recall the last time I saw BioWare try something risky or innovative from a technical perspective, and I'm not sure if they can anymore. With the money EA is pumping into them, I'm not sure they're allowed to try something that didn't work in another genre or that EA's data mining doesn't suggest is a good idea. You can make good games that way, but the great games defy convention and redefine their genre. I don't think BioWare will ever do that again.

[DaJe]

Their priorities have changed clearly.

Instead of exploration, freedom, choice and high quality writing all the way the games now focus on linear levels and story structures with scripted action sequeces, shooter gameplay (single player and multiplayer) and more often than is good, nonsensical michael bay action movie writing with stupid one-liners and "dramatic" scenes that feel forced rather than natural. There is a lot of compromise made for new players to the series that holds back a lot of potential. The rushed and lacking exposition in the beginning of ME3 is an example for that.

I still think a trial and some exploring the area on Earth before the Reapers hit would have been much better than a cutscene that ends with a tutorial during a key moment in the story *sigh*

There are great parts in ME3, but in my opinion the series has taken an overall detour from the original concept that was unique and primising and justed need to be more fleshed out. Now they move along much traveled paths like everyone else.

They do make good games under EA but they lost their identity.

[ncknck]

Lord Phoebus wrote...

Good possibly, but not great. Don't get me wrong I think ME3 is an okay game (8/10 without the ending 7/10 with it). That said the game is very safe, most of the design choices and level design is moving towards the big titles in the genre (i.e. Gears of Wars). There's nothing wrong with that per se, however I can't recall the last time I saw BioWare try something risky or innovative from a technical perspective, and I'm not sure if they can anymore. With the money EA is pumping into them, I'm not sure they're allowed to try something that didn't work in another genre or that EA's data mining doesn't suggest is a good idea. You can make good games that way, but the great games defy convention and redefine their genre. I don't think BioWare will ever do that again.

2012, Mass Effect 3. A non trivial ending.

Its a catch 22. People want creativity and recognizability at the same time. However both si not possible. Its an inherently destructive behavior. Put too much sunshine and people leave, bored. Put too much creativity and people leave, infuriated.

The catch is ofc, there are a zillion CoD clones and only a few ME's. And people are here because of creativity in the first place. So what this whining ultimately is, is shooting itself in the foot. The next game will be a GoW clone, but its already on the market. And people will start to talk about the "death of bioware" "bw nostalgia" "game is very safe" etc.

[mad825]

Not really, games that are under EA are about games for "everyone" not for a particular audience and thus there is more "copying" from other games to make it more appealing.

Also, it gives "streamlining"  a bad name because of this.

Modifié par mad825, 23 avril 2012 - 08:47 .

[CARL_DF90]

ncknck wrote...

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while i may or may not agree with topics opinion, it seems to me you basically disallowed to post anyone who doesnt like ME3. There are a few people who dont like the ending, to them the game is bad, and thats their valid point. I cant really see how it can be omitted in such a discussion. good and bad are pretty subjective things.

Plus, it is those parts that make up the whole, and if those parts are broken and forces the whole down into a smoking ruin then it is all for nought. In addition, not being "infected" by Bioware nostalgia is a contradiction in of itself because the past is what shapes the future. To remember it is to ensure that the bad parts are either corrected entirely, or avoided outright and it shapes the basis for the kind of quality people would come to expect.

What does all that crap mean? Simple. Bioware has proven in the past that they can make solid titles that adhere to their lore, levels of quality, story driven principles, and narrative coherence. A lot of that was lost because no matter how good/great 95% of the game was, it was the final 5% that ruined it for some people. How such quality and such failure have happened in such close proximity of each other is beyond me. We have already seen how under EA a lot of what Bioware great has been lost to an extent and many people no longer feel they can create the good games like we know they can. I hope it doesn't end up that way and they recover. Still, I am left with doubts, and those doubts are shared by many of it's fans/customer base and not just myself.

[coolbeans]

simfamSP wrote...

NOTICE:

IF YOU ARE:

STILL PISSED OF ABOUT THE ENDING.
CAN NOT FORM AN OPINION WITHOUT BIAS.
GENERALLY DON'T LIKE BIOWARE ANYWAY.
ARE INFECTED WITH BW NOSTALGIA.

DO NOT BOTHER POSTING.

AND PLEASE, READ MY POST BEFORE RESPONDING.

Epic start to a discussion bro <_<

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Mass Effect 2 is the proof, not Mass Effect 3.

I've never been pissed about the endings.... doesn't mean they weren't the worst I've seen.  And honestly, I wouldn't be this harsh/critical of them if I didn't get the impression that they only responded/listened to uproar and compliments.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 23 avril 2012 - 08:58 .

[FlamingBoy]

there was a lot more wrong with mass effect 3 than just the endings

[oblivionenss]

simfamSP wrote...

NOTICE:

IF YOU ARE:

STILL PISSED OF ABOUT THE ENDING.
CAN NOT FORM AN OPINION WITHOUT BIAS.
GENERALLY DON'T LIKE BIOWARE ANYWAY.
ARE INFECTED WITH BW NOSTALGIA.

DO NOT BOTHER POSTING.

AND PLEASE, READ MY POST BEFORE RESPONDING.

After reading this I wont be bothering about reading the rest of your post BUT:

The ending doesn't make sense, this has been proven dozens of times over.
Everyone is bias in a way or another.
People that is on the board are typically fans of the company.
BW nostalgia? is that us that have played BWs old games? Because I still install all their games and replay them once a year, am I included in this group?

But because of your start almost no reasonable person would take your post seriously anyways... So please from now on start to think before posting.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

FlamingBoy wrote...

there was a lot more wrong with mass effect 3 than just the endings

The ending trumps all.

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

One thing I find funny is that before the EA takeover Bioware could do no wrong and most fans considered anything Bioware released regardless of the actual quality of the product pure gold. Take the Original Mass Effect for example, it was a game on par with the quality of Dragon Age 2 and suffered from many of the same problems yet a lot of fans (usually those who take a strong distaste to the current direction Bioware is heading in) still consider it to be a golden example of how great Bioware was before the EA takeover when the truth is the Mass Effect series has only improved greatly under the EA management. Of course I am not sure that is really due to the EA management but the argument that Bioware games have only gotten worse under EA is arguably false.

That being said Dragon Age 2 was garbage however how much that was to do with EA is unknown. On one hand the game was obviously rushed out the door which does seem to be a trend under the EA management however on the other hand I am not exactly sure the Dragon Age team really knows what they are doing, Origins was ok but it was hardly as great as people made it out to be, I am guessing that their goal was to create a game series based around the elements that made the Original Baldur's Gate series great but I am not sure they know exactly what they were.

[FlamingBoy]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

there was a lot more wrong with mass effect 3 than just the endings

The ending trumps all.

probably,
but some of the stuff that was in the game just should not have happened if they looked to me 1 and 2 as a model

[malhar34]

ME3 wasnt a bad game. People didn't like the ending. If you disregard the ending and focus on the game it was still less complete than the previous 2 in the forms of horrible sidequests. I thought ME2 was great. A little bit less RPG elements than ME1 but still great nonetheless. ME2 was a good example that EA doesn't force BW to make bad games but unfortunately ME3 seemed to make EA look like a bad guy again.

Modifié par malhar34, 23 avril 2012 - 09:20 .

[Nadya2]

ME3 is not a good game.

so NO

[Whereto]

The ending is just covering up all the bad points currently. The ending honestly just poorly ended a mediocre game.

[Benny8484]

Have you seen the ending?

To answer your question, No.  See above

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

One thing I find funny is that before the EA takeover Bioware could do no wrong and most fans considered anything Bioware released regardless of the actual quality of the product pure gold. Take the Original Mass Effect for example, it was a game on par with the quality of Dragon Age 2 and suffered from many of the same problems yet a lot of fans (usually those who take a strong distaste to the current direction Bioware is heading in) still consider it to be a golden example of how great Bioware was before the EA takeover when the truth is the Mass Effect series has only improved greatly under the EA management. Of course I am not sure that is really due to the EA management but the argument that Bioware games have only gotten worse under EA is arguably false.

That being said Dragon Age 2 was garbage however how much that was to do with EA is unknown. On one hand the game was obviously rushed out the door which does seem to be a trend under the EA management however on the other hand I am not exactly sure the Dragon Age team really knows what they are doing, Origins was ok but it was hardly as great as people made it out to be, I am guessing that their goal was to create a game series based around the elements that made the Original Baldur's Gate series great but I am not sure they know exactly what they were.

ME1 for its time was extremely progressive for the industry (real-time RPGs).  It did a lot right, even if it had pioneer glitches along the way.

[dsl08002]

They have proved that they can create good games however EA shouldn´t set short deadlines in order to make profit, because of past experience it never ends well

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

ME1 for its time was extremely progressive for the industry (real-time RPGs).  It did a lot right, even if it had pioneer glitches along the way.

How so? As far as I can see ME1 was a failed experiment, the only thing they really achieved was to find a new way to organize dialogue choices.