Let's see, throwaway sidequests, zero exploration, more bugs than the last game, multiplayer crammed in and required to see the full ending sequence, multiplayer levels reused to pad the single player, industry personality gets a full cameo in the game, Tali's face, etc...
Bububububu it's a fun shooter!
Is ME3 proof that BioWare can make good games under EA?
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#127
Posté 23 avril 2012 - 08:26
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simfamSP wrote...
PaddlePop wrote...
simfamSP wrote...
NOTICE:
IF YOU ARE:
STILL PISSED OF ABOUT THE ENDING.
CAN NOT FORM AN OPINION WITHOUT BIAS.
GENERALLY DON'T LIKE BIOWARE ANYWAY.
ARE INFECTED WITH BW NOSTALGIA.
DO NOT BOTHER POSTING.
AND PLEASE, READ MY POST BEFORE RESPONDING.
Blah blah blah whine IBioware whine blah blah
Well, that's one way to ensure that whoever stumbles upon your thread is not going to play ball.
And no, I disagree with you that ME3 is proof that Bioware can still make good games (under EA). In fact, this forum is littered with examples that disprove your silly assertion.
No... these forums are proof of an over critical bunch of hypocrites. (Not all, just a few hehe.)
So... apparantley I'm a BioWare drone? Even though I acknowledge the fact that the endings are terrible and the way BioWare handles all of this is utter BS?
As Alistair would say:
"Riiiight..."
In what way is this forum full of hypocrites? In no way are you countering this reasoning. The number of posts against ME3 in this forum are far more numerous compared to those with positive views of ME3. Yea, all those people are hypocrites. Makes perfect sense.
#128
Posté 23 avril 2012 - 08:31
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I thought that DA:O, DA:A and ME2 were generally considered good games along with ME3? No? OK.
#129
Posté 23 avril 2012 - 08:40
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There are more dislikers of 'Mass Effect 3' here, now, because those that liked it probably don't want to waste their time arguing and have moved on, or perhaps they are still playing the game. They have little reason to stay on these particular boards if the majority of posts are negative.
This game isn't the first popular release to have such a phenomenon...
This game isn't the first popular release to have such a phenomenon...
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 09:02
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But I will here, report me guy-who-made-this-topic if You wish.
No becuase ME3 is average game.
Average, not great. I won't do another review here, and I won't take average scores of reviewers and fans to prove it, I did it in another post.
At any rate, consider all the crap about day-1-dlc. It is obvious that it was planned, there are data files in every game! DLC olny gives You the mission in which You obtain our artifact (Spoiler free section mates, watch out!).
Apart form that olny little improvement is combat which at moments can get irritaitng mostly beacuse of press-space-button-to-win kind of thing.
Story is weakest in the series, there is less dialouge options and interaction in conversations, there is less "choices and consequences" in series based on that, graphics are mostly the same as in ME2 ( for me sometimes they look worse [pc-version if You are wondering]).
One great think is the OST.
Also about 90% agree that ending is in some way f-up. You do not have to be genius to figure out that ending makes no sense, that is gives no conslusion. And the ending in TRILOGY?
It is very important, it's not like I'm going to skip the ending and say I loved the game. - I loved the series, but the most important ending of the series ruined it.
My assumption why ending is crappy is:
BW and EA overlords have NO IDEA what to do with ME universe. They do not know if they want to make a sequel, they do not know if they want to make MMORPG.
So they made poopy ending, just to make it easy for them to make MMORPG or the sequel.
And I call it idiotic, shortsighed move.
"Go ahead and disagree...":devil:
But I will here, report me guy-who-made-this-topic if You wish.
No becuase ME3 is average game.
Average, not great. I won't do another review here, and I won't take average scores of reviewers and fans to prove it, I did it in another post.
At any rate, consider all the crap about day-1-dlc. It is obvious that it was planned, there are data files in every game! DLC olny gives You the mission in which You obtain our artifact (Spoiler free section mates, watch out!).
Apart form that olny little improvement is combat which at moments can get irritaitng mostly beacuse of press-space-button-to-win kind of thing.
Story is weakest in the series, there is less dialouge options and interaction in conversations, there is less "choices and consequences" in series based on that, graphics are mostly the same as in ME2 ( for me sometimes they look worse [pc-version if You are wondering]).
One great think is the OST.
Also about 90% agree that ending is in some way f-up. You do not have to be genius to figure out that ending makes no sense, that is gives no conslusion. And the ending in TRILOGY?
It is very important, it's not like I'm going to skip the ending and say I loved the game. - I loved the series, but the most important ending of the series ruined it.
My assumption why ending is crappy is:
BW and EA overlords have NO IDEA what to do with ME universe. They do not know if they want to make a sequel, they do not know if they want to make MMORPG.
So they made poopy ending, just to make it easy for them to make MMORPG or the sequel.
And I call it idiotic, shortsighed move.
"Go ahead and disagree...":devil:
Modifié par IReuven, 23 avril 2012 - 09:04 .
#131
Posté 23 avril 2012 - 09:28
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Phaedon wrote...
I thought that DA:O, DA:A and ME2 were generally considered good games along with ME3? No? OK.
I personally enjoyed Awakening, but the impression I got was that most people hated it.
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 09:33
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Ah, my bad. I stopped following the DA series right after DA:O. Just not my story genre, I guess.Il Divo wrote...
Phaedon wrote...
I thought that DA:O, DA:A and ME2 were generally considered good games along with ME3? No? OK.
I personally enjoyed Awakening, but the impression I got was that most people hated it.
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 09:35
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Isn't Mass Effect 2 proof that BioWare can make good games under EA?
#134
Posté 23 avril 2012 - 09:36
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Isn't Dragon Age 2 the only supposedly universally accepted proof that BioWare can make bad games under EA?
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 09:38
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simfamSP wrote...
[b]NOTICE:
IF YOU ARE:
STILL PISSED OF ABOUT THE ENDING (to an unreasonable level of course.)
Since I am pissed off about the ending to a reasonable level I felt it necessary to post. :happy:
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 09:38
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Generally speaking I would say its proof that EA can't buy a company that makes good games and have them continue making games of their previous high quality.
Mass Effect 3 had a terrible run in the marketing, the fetch quests, the auto-dialogue, the technical issues, the absence of side quests. ME3 had a lot of cut corners and had all the hallmarks of being a rushed product. Its still an above average game with the occasional great moments common with BioWares story telling - but as a game - it can't hold a candle to BioWares releases prior to EA's acquisition.
Mass Effect 3 had a terrible run in the marketing, the fetch quests, the auto-dialogue, the technical issues, the absence of side quests. ME3 had a lot of cut corners and had all the hallmarks of being a rushed product. Its still an above average game with the occasional great moments common with BioWares story telling - but as a game - it can't hold a candle to BioWares releases prior to EA's acquisition.
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 09:41
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Icinix wrote...
Generally speaking I would say its proof that EA can't buy a company that makes good games and have them continue making games of their previous high quality.
Mass Effect 3 had a terrible run in the marketing, the fetch quests, the auto-dialogue, the technical issues, the absence of side quests. ME3 had a lot of cut corners and had all the hallmarks of being a rushed product. Its still an above average game with the occasional great moments common with BioWares story telling - but as a game - it can't hold a candle to BioWares releases prior to EA's acquisition.
This.
ME3 isn't a bad game, but it could have been so much better
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 09:43
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I believe so. I'm one of the few who doesn't actually think Dragon Age 2 is a bad game though, so far anyway. I haven't gotten very far.Phaedon wrote...
Isn't Dragon Age 2 the only supposedly universally accepted proof that BioWare can make bad games under EA?
#139
Posté 23 avril 2012 - 09:50
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IReuven wrote...
I usually do not brake the rules.
But I will here, report me guy-who-made-this-topic if You wish.
No becuase ME3 is average game.
Average, not great. I won't do another review here, and I won't take average scores of reviewers and fans to prove it, I did it in another post.
At any rate, consider all the crap about day-1-dlc. It is obvious that it was planned, there are data files in every game! DLC olny gives You the mission in which You obtain our artifact (Spoiler free section mates, watch out!).
Apart form that olny little improvement is combat which at moments can get irritaitng mostly beacuse of press-space-button-to-win kind of thing.
Story is weakest in the series, there is less dialouge options and interaction in conversations, there is less "choices and consequences" in series based on that, graphics are mostly the same as in ME2 ( for me sometimes they look worse [pc-version if You are wondering]).
One great think is the OST.
Also about 90% agree that ending is in some way f-up. You do not have to be genius to figure out that ending makes no sense, that is gives no conslusion. And the ending in TRILOGY?
It is very important, it's not like I'm going to skip the ending and say I loved the game. - I loved the series, but the most important ending of the series ruined it.
My assumption why ending is crappy is:
BW and EA overlords have NO IDEA what to do with ME universe. They do not know if they want to make a sequel, they do not know if they want to make MMORPG.
So they made poopy ending, just to make it easy for them to make MMORPG or the sequel.
And I call it idiotic, shortsighed move.
"Go ahead and disagree...":devil:
Don't forget the lack of missions that aren't playing scan an deliver.
#140
Posté 23 avril 2012 - 09:55
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somebody please post a Fry meme of "not sure if trolling....."
seriously.
seriously.
#141
Posté 23 avril 2012 - 09:57
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Proof that they can make good games? No.
Mass Effect 3 is avarage even when you forget the ending for a moment.
Previously I thought Bioware to be equal to CD Project and capable to match their games in awesomeness. But now? After Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect 2 and 3? No. I don't think any more that Bioware can make games which would equal to Witcher 2.
I just played the the Enhanced Edition again and there is no way that one can honestly say that ME3 matches the game in either gameplay, story or atmosphere.
Bioware now makes games for the masses as cheaply as they can. And that results in slightly above average (Bioware has some skill left) games with a lot cut corners. But that is not enough to get to the top. The crown belongs now, at least for the moment, to CD Project.
Mass Effect 3 is avarage even when you forget the ending for a moment.
Previously I thought Bioware to be equal to CD Project and capable to match their games in awesomeness. But now? After Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect 2 and 3? No. I don't think any more that Bioware can make games which would equal to Witcher 2.
I just played the the Enhanced Edition again and there is no way that one can honestly say that ME3 matches the game in either gameplay, story or atmosphere.
Bioware now makes games for the masses as cheaply as they can. And that results in slightly above average (Bioware has some skill left) games with a lot cut corners. But that is not enough to get to the top. The crown belongs now, at least for the moment, to CD Project.
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 09:59
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No. BioWare has only proven that they are crippled by EA with terrible deadlines and senseless claims to appeal casual masses.
Mass Effect 3 was a good game, but not the quality you are used to with Mass Effect.
To me, the game seemed unfinished at every end: whole story-arcs are way too short than they should be, a lot of smaller characters which have a certain build-up are completely ignored or they died through some text, none of the choices had any impact except a few changed lines and cheap replacements,... the whole idea of EMS is completely worthless. So many things where you could see the claims to do something, seemingly crushed by deadlines.
Overall, ME3 aimed way too much to new players than fans who invested 5 years of several playthroughs into it. They tried to hard to make a complete new game than actually finishing the trilogy they built.
So no, I am of the opinion that EA cripples BioWare and ME3 is no proof that they can withstand the blight that EA causes.
Mass Effect 3 was a good game, but not the quality you are used to with Mass Effect.
To me, the game seemed unfinished at every end: whole story-arcs are way too short than they should be, a lot of smaller characters which have a certain build-up are completely ignored or they died through some text, none of the choices had any impact except a few changed lines and cheap replacements,... the whole idea of EMS is completely worthless. So many things where you could see the claims to do something, seemingly crushed by deadlines.
Overall, ME3 aimed way too much to new players than fans who invested 5 years of several playthroughs into it. They tried to hard to make a complete new game than actually finishing the trilogy they built.
So no, I am of the opinion that EA cripples BioWare and ME3 is no proof that they can withstand the blight that EA causes.
Modifié par Mr Massakka, 23 avril 2012 - 09:59 .
#143
Posté 23 avril 2012 - 10:08
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No, it's proof that BioWare did not survive the transition.
They can try their best, but there's so far no evidence they can continue to make BioWare games.
Sad times.
They can try their best, but there's so far no evidence they can continue to make BioWare games.
Sad times.
#144
Posté 23 avril 2012 - 10:10
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problem is that as with a book in a game the ending is just as important as the Begining and the middle and when the end is as bad as mass effect 3 is well then it undoes all the good that the beginning and middle does rendering it mute so the answer to the question is a thundering No
#145
Posté 23 avril 2012 - 10:50
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Il Divo wrote...
Phaedon wrote...
I thought that DA:O, DA:A and ME2 were generally considered good games along with ME3? No? OK.
I personally enjoyed Awakening, but the impression I got was that most people hated it.
Awakening was okay. just bug-riddled
#147
Posté 23 avril 2012 - 11:24
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simfamSP wrote...
NOTICE:
IF YOU ARE:
STILL PISSED OF ABOUT THE ENDING (to an unreasonable level of course.)
CAN NOT FORM AN OPINION WITHOUT BIAS (example: Just finished ME3 and watches smudboy's analysis.)
GENERALLY DON'T LIKE BIOWARE ANYWAY (you've never really like a game after BG2.)
ARE INFECTED WITH BW NOSTALGIA (haven't played a recent BW game in years yet still refer to it as flawless.)
DO NOT BOTHER POSTING.
AND PLEASE, READ MY POST BEFORE RESPONDING.
Let me see if I have this right...
You asked if EA can make good games under EA , Because Bioware is a brand name EA applies to all of it's non-sports studios. To which the answer is already universally known.
Then you start out the thread by essentially saying "Anyone who's likely to say No isn't allowed to post on my thread!".
That's a pretty impressive level of pointless topic you've got going here.
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 11:37
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No. Because Mass Effect 3 is not a good game.
This.
It isn't just the ending. The beginning is laughably bad. The dialogue between characters is often forced. The plot is weak. The villians are laughable. The quest log is useless, the fetch quests are pointless. The love interests don't act like love interests. There are no new races introduced. There is only one new character introduced, and he is very two dimensional. The reapers act like idiots. The fact established in the first two games are thrown out the window, and last but not least, it is more of a TPS than an RPG.
