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Is ME3 proof that BioWare can make good games under EA?


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No.
ME3 was quite gimmicky (Diana Allers. Enough said), felt rushed (Kai Leng, Kal Reegar, final assault mission, Rachni, Tali's face lol) and to top it all had endings that defied all in game logic up to that point.
It had a lot of potential and it had some excellent parts too, mainly the Krogan situation and the Cerberus headquarter assault (it also felt a bit rushed, but it was still good because of the lore videos), but the flaws are too much. This is only the SP part. I like the MP, even though I despise the dice roll reward system.

Modifié par robarcool, 24 avril 2012 - 12:10 .


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The games are good however they still have considerable flaws, both DA2 and ME3 show what EA ridiculous timelines are doing to the games, noticeable in ME in how after the tuchanka arc the game starts a steady decline in stage quality and the like and by the time the ending comes it completely drops down.

The gameplay in me3 and most of the early stages and what you could see as being the early development of the game were really really good, its just that its obvious when they started to run out of time and started to do things faster, with stages that have more average (not to say bad) design that the earlier ones (mars and the tuchanka arc as really well done vs earth final which is simply a horde mode)

Modifié par Jog0907, 24 avril 2012 - 12:28 .


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ME3 isnt even that good. Its incredibly short, the questing is a joke, the plot is a joke, and the ending is a joke.

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I think it's evidence that they pay attention to the things that annoy people about their previous games, and try and fix them. So many things which were wrong with ME2 were fixed in ME3.

The problem is that when they put attention on these areas, they seem to let other things slip in response. They fixed the combat and the planet scanning in ME3, but they neglected between-mission characterisation and screwed up on the "consequences" of war asset acquisition (which didn't have any narrative explanation; in ME2, you could see that "oh, I didn't upgrade that ship part, so it failed and [character] died", whereas there's no narrative reason for war assets to cause the effects on the endgame that they do).

Bioware seems to be being pushed to complete games too quickly right now. I think with more time, they'd be able to build a game of the same quality as its predecessor with things fixed, rather than fixing some things and letting other standards slip.

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Olueq wrote...

ME3 isnt even that good. Its incredibly short, the questing is a joke, the plot is a joke, and the ending is a joke.

Well, ME2 fell flat there too, but that could be forgiven for it being the 2nd game and trying to introduce many new characters. But ME3 where it all ends? No excuses for bad story there. It went fine till the firs half (Rannoch). Even the Cerberus assault was good, but then I just didn't get the same warm fuzzy feeling from playing the later missions.

Modifié par robarcool, 24 avril 2012 - 12:35 .


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Reading these posts has made me realize how much of a bubble the BSN is really in.

ME3 IS BAD CUZ ALL THE POSTS SAY SO ON THIS OBSCURE INTERNET FORUM THAT NO ONE ELSE SEEMS TO CARE ABOUT!!!

Its not a fact that ME3 is a "bad" or a "good" game and anyone who says so is an idiot. Its a video game, thats it. Deal with it.

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Koju737 wrote...

Reading these posts has made me realize how much of a bubble the BSN is really in.

ME3 IS BAD CUZ ALL THE POSTS SAY SO ON THIS OBSCURE INTERNET FORUM THAT NO ONE ELSE SEEMS TO CARE ABOUT!!!

Its not a fact that ME3 is a "bad" or a "good" game and anyone who says so is an idiot. Its a video game, thats it. Deal with it.


Really? I had no idea...

Modifié par Mr. MannlyMan, 24 avril 2012 - 12:51 .


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malhar34 wrote...

ME3 wasnt a bad game. People didn't like the ending. If you disregard the ending and focus on the game it was still less complete than the previous 2 in the forms of horrible sidequests. I thought ME2 was great. A little bit less RPG elements than ME1 but still great nonetheless. ME2 was a good example that EA doesn't force BW to make bad games but unfortunately ME3 seemed to make EA look like a bad guy again.

Well, to be fair to ME3.  the storyline really didn't allow for much in side quests other than the minor ones we got.  I myself really don't mind having fewer side quests.

Other than the ending.  I give the game a 10/10.  The ending drops the score down to a 7/10 for me.  Still a good game to get and play.

Modifié par Urazz, 24 avril 2012 - 12:55 .


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Protip: don't tell people what they can or can't say in an open forum. If you don't want criticism of your thoughts, don't put them online for people to see.

And no, its no proof at all. Its further proof that EA is poison for gaming. ME3 was rushed, that's very obvious.

And whoever said ME3 was innovative made me laugh really hard. Because to think that copying Dues Ex is innovative is just hilarious. Indoctrination would have been innovative, but apperently we can't have that!

Keep making me laugh guys.

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If you mean a game that has a crap load of writing errors, and uses the worst server out there, and prevents me from loading up the main menu while connected to the internet after the recent update is a GOOD game, then you sir, need psychological help.

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Andromidius wrote...

Protip: don't tell people what they can or can't say in an open forum. If you don't want criticism of your thoughts, don't put them online for people to see.

And no, its no proof at all. Its further proof that EA is poison for gaming. ME3 was rushed, that's very obvious.

And whoever said ME3 was innovative made me laugh really hard. Because to think that copying Dues Ex is innovative is just hilarious. Indoctrination would have been innovative, but apperently we can't have that!

Keep making me laugh guys.


It's innovative in that it utilizes complex save data, compiled over the course of 2+ games, to show changes in the story triggered by the player's decisions over the course of the trilogy.

Modifié par Mr. MannlyMan, 24 avril 2012 - 01:06 .


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Yes I think they can make good games; even with that epic fail ending, ME3 was better than ME2 wich itself was better than ME1 (yeah, I said that)

Yes, Bioware dropped the ball regarding the ending, but if think it's entirely BW's fault and not EA

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good games yes
great games perhaps not

thats the issue for me bioware did used to make great games. Yes ME3 was pretty good and for the most part i enjoyed it despite a few very dissapointing issues (dialogue system, no exploration).

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simfamSP wrote...
NOTICE:

IF YOU ARE:

STILL PISSED OF ABOUT THE ENDING (to an unreasonable level of course.)
CAN NOT FORM AN OPINION WITHOUT BIAS (example: Just finished ME3 and watches smudboy's analysis.)
GENERALLY DON'T LIKE BIOWARE ANYWAY (you've never really like a game after BG2.)
ARE INFECTED WITH BW NOSTALGIA (haven't played a recent BW game in years yet still refer to it as flawless.)

DO NOT BOTHER POSTING.

AND PLEASE, READ MY POST BEFORE RESPONDING.


Well I'm over my anger towards the ending. Though it still remains the biggest joke of an ending I've ever seen in a game. Not to say I haven't seen stupid or bad endings before. But I can easily say it's probably the most disappointing one. At this point it is merely regrettable Mass Effect should end like this. I'm not really mad just let down.

Also I always form my own opinions. I don't care what other people say. I like the Mako and no amount hatred towards it has changed my opinion of it. Not to say I don't consider other's opinions but I do not just go along and join the bandwagon as they say. I generally have given Bioware benefit of the doubt, but I'm not a fanatic who defends everything they make. Also I actually prefer BG1 to BG2 honestly. And while I agree with most BG2 is probably Bioware's best game even it is not perfect. As for nostalgia. Sorry but that's not something I really suffer from. My memory is good enough to remember the good games from the bad games. If I do not remember an older game very well I generally don't speak of it. I do actually remember playing Shattered Steel but not enough to comment whether it was good or bad.

But way to be condescending.

simfamSP wrote... 
I hate EA, I'll put that out without second thoughts. But I also know that BioWare need EA. Their business model is evil, and it's influencing BioWare' games alot (day one DLC, and 'Better with Kinect.) But does that mean they cannot produce a good product.

What I think EA needs to do is give BioWare that extra bit of time, or a little more manpower. But overall, without those crappy endings, I think BW has proven that they can make good games under EA's influence.

The only thing that pisses me of more is the way they are handling the situation. Unlike CDPR who just say "we didn't have the money."


Well the problem is as you said: EA has influence over Bioware. I am of the belief ME3 is not up to par with the previous 2 games as a result of EA not giving Mass Effect 3 a proper budget or sufficient time to work on the game. I think that in order to actually ensure ME3 got the development it needed to meet expectations it probably should have spent a good 3-4 years in development. 2 years is just simply not enough time to work on such a game and deliver on promises made.

Sadly it's very plain to see ME3 is a rushed game. From various animations, conversation glitches, etc. There's also the lack of genuine side quests or a decent journal. Also there's still face import issues among other things that just not be present. ME3 plain and simple should not have been released as it is. Should have been delayed til November 2012. Which would  probaby have helped it get GOTY awards anyways. Now it is highly doubtful due to the whole outrage over the endings. Unless critics remain so brazen as to purposefully go against their readers/viewers. Also I get the impression many of them are not fond of Ending DLC.

ME3 did it have it's moments. But it also had a lot more not so great ones. Too many of the characters feel like they were shoehorned to be in places. And I gotta be honest I feel the greater majority of ME2 characters were handled very poorly in regards to their involvement. Other then Tuchanka and Rannoch your past decisions have little or no impact. A lot of this could have been alleviated by simply making the ME2 cast temporary squadmates. Yet what a surprise they're all background characters. Game would have been immensely better if say Wrex or Samara actually could join your squad for a mission. The fact they didn't just seems lazy and ultimately lame.

In this case I am unsure whether more time would have resulted in a better presentation. A lot of the writing for this game does not seem like it was given proper thought. Too much being made up on the spot as they went along if you ask me.

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Well, I'm only one of those four things (aka, frustrated with ending)...am I allowed to post?

I've loved every single BW game I've played, including both ME3 and DA2.  ME2 was a standout game IMO that definitely made BW my favourite developer.  Since that was under EA, I'd have to say that yes...BW can make good games under EA.

Still, what, or who, is responsible for the rushed/offbeat ending?  I can't possible pin it on EA, Casey Hudson or Mac Walters, because I don't actually know who was the driving force behind it.  I don't even care who it was, so long as it gets fixed.

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ME3 is a good game if you don't take any of its predecessors into account. Comparatively, it sucks. ME2 and DA:O were proof that they could still make goods games under EA. DA2 and ME3...not so much. And I actually kinda like DA2, it just wasn't anywhere near the normal Bioware standard.

Modifié par blackangel209, 24 avril 2012 - 01:47 .


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Now let's put away all that rage, and seriously think for a moment. Don't focus of the RPG elements, or the action, or the fact that you hate thermal clips. I'm talking about quality. Was it emotionally engaging? Was the plot well done? Was it all a fun experience BEFORE the ending.


It's the general reaction for people who have not finished the game to say: AWESOME! That's hype, we get that, but it still doesn't rule out that overall the game was great before those final ten minutes. Yet, that hype spots the difference from a good and bad game.  When we played ME3 we were so distracted by everything else that we didn't BOTHER to look and say "****... where are my assets?" We didn't care about eavesdropping because we thought: "The more I do, the better ending I will get."

The game has it's faults, and there are many people who will gladly point them out. That's fine, I can point out the faults of other games too and we'll call it even.

And the list goes on...

I hate EA, I'll put that out without second thoughts. Their business model is evil, and it's influencing BioWare' games alot (day one DLC, and 'Better with Kinect.) But does that mean they cannot produce a good product.

What I think EA needs to do is give BioWare that extra bit of time, or a little more manpower. But overall, without those crappy endings, I think BW has proven that they can make good games.

The only thing that pisses me of more is the way they are handling the situation. Unlike CDPR who just say "we didn't have the money."





Fixed. :whistle:

#168
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I personally thought ME3 was a fantastic game, and the reason people were so infuriated with the ending is that they were let down by such a great game. Ending is lackluster, but there's worse. This one only recieved so much flak because it was tacked on to an amazing story that really immersed players.

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I think it is proof that they have a limited time and can't make a satisfying finish due to that limit. IE they can make a great game but when the time comes to end it in a great way, there is no time left and they end up rushing it.

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I don't know which package your games came in, but both my copy of ME1 and DA:O has an EA logo on them...

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Don't focus on the rpg element, or the action, or this, or that... BUT make sure and give kudos... its important.

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 No, ME3 is not a good game.

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Ricinator wrote...

 No, ME3 is not a good game.


Not to single you out, but if you say ME3 is not a good game, I can't see how you liked ME1 or especially ME2.  The games are quite similar, not complete overhauls.

I certainly don't stand by the ending, but found the rest of the game to be even more immersive than the previous two.

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I'll ignore the fact that you have already dismissed the idea of listening to anyone who disagrees with your opinion. Whether or not a game is "good" is completely subjective and you shouldn't be oblivious to other people's opinions, which includes their bias.
I'll also ignore the fact that you try to justify Mass Effect 3's faults by listing other games' faults. How does that help your position in a meaningful way? "Hey guys, yeah there were some things wrong with Mass Effect 3 but don't even worry about it, it's okay because these games had bad stuff too.
It does not make it "even" and it doesn't make Mass Effect 3 a better game. Just an excuse for mediocrity really.

Furthermore, it is nearly impossible to argue against you because you'll simply stay ignorant and claim that other games have faults as well. What is the point to starting a discussion if you have already decided your opinion is the right one and you aren't going to listen to other people.

Sorry, I can't have a discussion with you unless you're open to it. But if you really want my opinion, Mass Effect 3 wasn't a bad game but it wasn't good either.

Modifié par boxesftl, 24 avril 2012 - 02:34 .


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Double post

Modifié par boxesftl, 24 avril 2012 - 02:33 .