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[Demonique]

So why was she the last thing Shepard thought of before she died?

[LelianaHawke]

Yeah this was my biggest problem with the ending. It seemed the game wanted to overwrite my actual romance with Kelly. But it's been talked about to death. I'm sure Bioware has heard.

Modifié par LelianaHawke, 23 avril 2012 - 08:56 .

[Stalker]

Yes, it was such a small thing to do and I don't understand what's so hard about making a .bik-file for every romance-flag.
That's so basic programming, damnit.

[Karrie788]

That was very irritating. It was yet another slap in the face during the ending sequence.

[Wulfram]

Well, you didn't romance Anderson or Joker either.

The lack of a LI flashback is a problem, but I don't think the presence of a Liara one is.

[gearseffect]

YEEEEEEEEHHHH another Liara being forced on us thread. I support these threads.

Because I recall spending the last night alone in my undies thinking of Samara, so WHY did I get forced into seeing Liara's face. In fact the two people other than Joker that came out of the Normandy were Garrus and Javik.

I didn't romance Liara I hardly talked to her. My heat belongs to Samara.

Wait till the Liara fans hit this thread,

EDIT The last part of my statement has hit just before I posted mine. Ninjaed

Modifié par gearseffect, 23 avril 2012 - 10:22 .

[LelianaHawke]

Wulfram wrote...

Well, you didn't romance Anderson or Joker either.

The lack of a LI flashback is a problem, but I don't think the presence of a Liara one is.

Anderson was a father figure. Joker was responsible for the ship. Liara was... I dunno.

[Karrie788]

LelianaHawke wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Well, you didn't romance Anderson or Joker either.

The lack of a LI flashback is a problem, but I don't think the presence of a Liara one is.

Anderson was a father figure. Joker was responsible for the ship. Liara was... I dunno.

A squadmate.
Dunno why that particular squadmate, though.

[Barquiel]

The flashbacks thing was not their best idea, imo. Most of the time, I wanted to throw Joker out of the airlock and Anderson is certainly not one of the three most important persons in my Shepard's life either. But I still think they fix the LI thing, that shouldn't be too difficult.

[Stalker]

Wulfram wrote...

Well, you didn't romance Anderson or Joker either.

The lack of a LI flashback is a problem, but I don't think the presence of a Liara one is.

Anderson and Joker are understandable. Anderson is the mentor/father-figure and Joker is your pilot since the beginning of the Normandy. Both are the only characters who were with you even before ME1 happened.

I think Liara's flashback is a problem, because she is just one of many squadmates (or at least should be). If so, you could also ask why isn't Garrus/Wrex/Tali there.

Liara IS the romance-flashback, since she is also replaced if you romanced the VS. So why can't Miranda/Jack/Kelly or whoever appear there? Are they not considered real romances by the team?

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 23 avril 2012 - 10:41 .

[Brockxz]

Karrie788 wrote...

LelianaHawke wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Well, you didn't romance Anderson or Joker either.

The lack of a LI flashback is a problem, but I don't think the presence of a Liara one is.

Anderson was a father figure. Joker was responsible for the ship. Liara was... I dunno.

A squadmate.
Dunno why that particular squadmate, though.

Because without her you would not find Ilos in time and it would be game over already with Sovereign. Yes yes, She is forced again on you and you can start to make another hate topic about her and that Tali, Wrex, Garrus or any other squad member wasn't prothean expert but she was.

[Stalker]

Brockxz wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

LelianaHawke wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Well, you didn't romance Anderson or Joker either.

The lack of a LI flashback is a problem, but I don't think the presence of a Liara one is.

Anderson was a father figure. Joker was responsible for the ship. Liara was... I dunno.

A squadmate.
Dunno why that particular squadmate, though.

Because without her you would not find Ilos in time and it would be game over already with Sovereign. Yes yes, She is forced again on you and you can start to make another hate topic about her and that Tali, Wrex, Garrus or any other squad member wasn't prothean expert but she was.

Without Tali you would have never stopped Saren, without Miranda you wouldn't be alive, without EDI you would never take down Cronos station... There are so many parts where several squadmates are essential. That's no argument.

[Hellfire257]

You don't need to. Bioware decided that for you. You know, artistic license and all that?

[LelianaHawke]

Because without her you would not find Ilos in time and it
would be game over already with Sovereign. Yes yes, She is forced again
on you and you can start to make another hate topic about her and that
Tali, Wrex, Garrus or any other squad member wasn't prothean expert but
she was.

The problem with that is that it's substituting Liara for people that may be more plot-important to your particular Shepard.

Kelly was the single reason my Shepard chose the destroy option - to exact revenge for taking the Citadel. That was what was on her mind, not how she had been rezzed two years prior.

Modifié par LelianaHawke, 23 avril 2012 - 11:09 .

[ENorman94]

I wouldn't have a problem if she didn't take the LI spot

[Shajar]

Writers pet, nothing else. About Anderson/Joker, well Anderson was like your Dad and Joker was good friend and pilot who made miracles

[Shajar]

Mr Massakka wrote...

Brockxz wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

LelianaHawke wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Well, you didn't romance Anderson or Joker either.

The lack of a LI flashback is a problem, but I don't think the presence of a Liara one is.

Anderson was a father figure. Joker was responsible for the ship. Liara was... I dunno.

A squadmate.
Dunno why that particular squadmate, though.

Because without her you would not find Ilos in time and it would be game over already with Sovereign. Yes yes, She is forced again on you and you can start to make another hate topic about her and that Tali, Wrex, Garrus or any other squad member wasn't prothean expert but she was.

Without Tali you would have never stopped Saren, without Miranda you wouldn't be alive, without EDI you would never take down Cronos station... There are so many parts where several squadmates are essential. That's no argument.

Aww, stop owning him so nicely 

[Karrie788]

Mr Massakka wrote...

Brockxz wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

LelianaHawke wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Well, you didn't romance Anderson or Joker either.

The lack of a LI flashback is a problem, but I don't think the presence of a Liara one is.

Anderson was a father figure. Joker was responsible for the ship. Liara was... I dunno.

A squadmate.
Dunno why that particular squadmate, though.

Because without her you would not find Ilos in time and it would be game over already with Sovereign. Yes yes, She is forced again on you and you can start to make another hate topic about her and that Tali, Wrex, Garrus or any other squad member wasn't prothean expert but she was.

Without Tali you would have never stopped Saren, without Miranda you wouldn't be alive, without EDI you would never take down Cronos station... There are so many parts where several squadmates are essential. That's no argument.

Yep, er... nothing to add there. Thanks.

[Brockxz]

Mr Massakka wrote...

Brockxz wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

LelianaHawke wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Well, you didn't romance Anderson or Joker either.

The lack of a LI flashback is a problem, but I don't think the presence of a Liara one is.

Anderson was a father figure. Joker was responsible for the ship. Liara was... I dunno.

A squadmate.
Dunno why that particular squadmate, though.

Because without her you would not find Ilos in time and it would be game over already with Sovereign. Yes yes, She is forced again on you and you can start to make another hate topic about her and that Tali, Wrex, Garrus or any other squad member wasn't prothean expert but she was.

Without Tali you would have never stopped Saren, without Miranda you wouldn't be alive, without EDI you would never take down Cronos station... There are so many parts where several squadmates are essential. That's no argument.

Without Tali, Alliance would still pursue Saren even without Council approvement. Without Liara, Miranda would not be able actually to revive you or whatever space magic was involved there. Lot's of speculations for everone as always. But I bet you will still find the reason why she doesn't need to be in those flashbacks.

Modifié par Brockxz, 23 avril 2012 - 11:28 .

[Wulfram]

Anderson is a father figure in the same way Liara is a close friend. Because Bioware said so.

And Joker is a jerk.

(Does his picture show up even if you haven't made up after Thessia?)

[Barquiel]

That would be my "perfect" flashback sequence ...
- Hannah Shepard (I think she is more imortant to my spacer Shepard than the pilot of the Normandy or my former boss)
- EDI (my Shepard choose the destroy ending, but she feels bad for killing all synthetics)
- Liara (LI)

Modifié par Barquiel, 23 avril 2012 - 11:28 .

[Karrie788]

Maybe they shouldn't have put any flashbacks to begin with. Tbh there was inevitably going to be complaints regardless of who would have appeared.

[Stalker]

Brockxz wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Brockxz wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

LelianaHawke wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Well, you didn't romance Anderson or Joker either.

The lack of a LI flashback is a problem, but I don't think the presence of a Liara one is.

Anderson was a father figure. Joker was responsible for the ship. Liara was... I dunno.

A squadmate.
Dunno why that particular squadmate, though.

Because without her you would not find Ilos in time and it would be game over already with Sovereign. Yes yes, She is forced again on you and you can start to make another hate topic about her and that Tali, Wrex, Garrus or any other squad member wasn't prothean expert but she was.

Without Tali you would have never stopped Saren, without Miranda you wouldn't be alive, without EDI you would never take down Cronos station... There are so many parts where several squadmates are essential. That's no argument.

Without Tali, Alliance would still pursue Saren even without Council approvement. Without Liara, Miranda would not be able actually to revive you or whatever space magic was involved there. Lot's of speculations for everone as always.

Speculations, yes. Liara could be replaced the same way, though: every Asari archaeologist could have helped you for Ilos.
Conter-speculating your other arguments:
You would not be able to hunt after Saren with the Citadel-forces in the Alliance's neck. You're not above the law: You would even be done the first time you land on Noveria
I am sure Cerberus would have found a way to get your body. Last resort would be to simply buy it from the Broker

We could counter-speculate each other to death, but the fact is that Liara is just as essential as many other characters.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 23 avril 2012 - 11:38 .

[Barquiel]

Karrie788 wrote...

Maybe they shouldn't have put any flashbacks to begin with. Tbh there was inevitably going to be complaints regardless of who would have appeared.

I agree.

[LelianaHawke]

Yeah, I they tried to create an emotional scene, but you can't predict player emotions. And if you get this stuff wrong, it just backfires and has the opposite effect, pulling the player out of the scene.