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[aimlessgun]

I loved Morrigan. Maybe it's different as a female character...but all these horrible things people are saying did not come through at all. Most of the time when she's being 'evil' it's simply hilarious.

[marshalleck]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

 Has nothing at all to do with chauvinism, more like how freakishly unrealistic and downright creepy most romances in video games are

Not getting the connection, all the romances are unrealistic and creepy no matter who you romance, whether it be Morrigan, Leliana or Zevvy.

Well right, but...can't really go into this without spoilers, but there's a key difference with the outcome of morrigan's romance, you know what I am talking about.

Modifié par marshalleck, 07 décembre 2009 - 01:09 .

[Zealuu]

Just put yourself in the place of a very immature eugenicist with a penchant for shiny things, do whatever that person would do, and Morrigan will love you.



Neither Morrigan nor Sten seem to be able to grasp that it won't really matter if you defeat the Blight if there are no people left in Ferelden by the time you're done, because you let the evil undead hordes or whatever eat them all.

[marshalleck]

Zealuu wrote...

 eugenicist with a penchant for shiny things,

Ah, the perfect woman

Modifié par marshalleck, 07 décembre 2009 - 01:12 .

[Kavva]

easier question would be - what doesnt she approve - and the answer is: the maker

[Curlain]

Morrigan Disapproves- 20 of everything in this thread :-)

[Alex Savchovsky]

Mr_Martlet wrote...

Maybe for grins and giggles, someone could tell us what this witch likes

Freedom, power and focus.

[FlintlockJazz]

marshalleck wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

 Has nothing at all to do with chauvinism, more like how freakishly unrealistic and downright creepy most romances in video games are

Not getting the connection, all the romances are unrealistic and creepy no matter who you romance, whether it be Morrigan, Leliana or Zevvy.

Well right, but...can't really go into this without spoilers, but there's a key difference with the outcome of morrigan's romance, you know what I am talking about.

Oh yeah, I know what you're talking about, but I disagree that that's why people don't like her, and that disliking her is due to people not being able to become the girl's centre of attention.  I think people just got fed up with her disapproving of every little thing due to what appears to be a lack of long-term planning skills or ability to see a bigger picture.

[Viglin]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

 Has nothing at all to do with chauvinism, more like how freakishly unrealistic and downright creepy most romances in video games are

Not getting the connection, all the romances are unrealistic and creepy no matter who you romance, whether it be Morrigan, Leliana or Zevvy.

Well right, but...can't really go into this without spoilers, but there's a key difference with the outcome of morrigan's romance, you know what I am talking about.

Oh yeah, I know what you're talking about, but I disagree that that's why people don't like her, and that disliking her is due to people not being able to become the girl's centre of attention.  I think people just got fed up with her disapproving of every little thing due to what appears to be a lack of long-term planning skills or ability to see a bigger picture.

That.
Sten is even worse, hes been fighting wars all his adult life...and yet doesnt understand needing allies[Redcliff case in point]??????

The are both single minded, and simple minded...which doesnt fit their background...one doesnt get power without allies, and one doesnt win a war without allies.

[naledgeborn]

Morrigan isn't evil just rebellious & misunderstood (most of the time). Want to meet a real life Morrigan? Date a Gemini chick, you'll see what I mean.

[rumination888]

Viglin wrote...

That.
Sten is even worse, hes been fighting wars all his adult life...and yet doesnt understand needing allies[Redcliff case in point]??????

The are both single minded, and simple minded...which doesnt fit their background...one doesnt get power without allies, and one doesnt win a war without allies.

The defense of Redcliffe quest feels very incomplete. It feels as though you're supposed to be given another path to enter Redcliffe Castle. Their disapproval was supposed to make you think about your actions. Its as if the devs had something more planned, but didn't have time to put it all in. Try refusing to defend redcliffe and you'll see what I mean. I'd have an easier time explaining this if this was in the spoiler forum.

[Darpaek]

I think Bio screwed the pooch on Redcliffe.  They disapprove because its supposed to be a hopeless battle.  They agree you need allies (but it was Alistair that came up with the idea, for one) - but since Opie the NPC grabs you on the bridge you don't see the dozen militiamen training or the 4 knights hanging out up top.  There's nothing to give the PC the impression that it's a hopeless battle where 4 extra bodies won't make a difference until AFTER you have your talk with Bann Teagan.

marshalleck wrote...
Leliana on the other hand is totally willing to be the braindead ****toy so people love her.

I Leli! 

Modifié par Darpaek, 07 décembre 2009 - 02:08 .

[FlintlockJazz]

rumination888 wrote...

Viglin wrote...

That.
Sten is even worse, hes been fighting wars all his adult life...and yet doesnt understand needing allies[Redcliff case in point]??????

The are both single minded, and simple minded...which doesnt fit their background...one doesnt get power without allies, and one doesnt win a war without allies.

The defense of Redcliffe quest feels very incomplete. It feels as though you're supposed to be given another path to enter Redcliffe Castle. Their disapproval was supposed to make you think about your actions. Its as if the devs had something more planned, but didn't have time to put it all in. Try refusing to defend redcliffe and you'll see what I mean. I'd have an easier time explaining this if this was in the spoiler forum.

I think they are expecting you to leave to seek allies elsewhere and come back...can't really say any more due to spoilers.  But either way, as it is presented now their disapproval doesn't really paint them in a good light, though fortunately if you have a good enough coercion skill then you can, um again spoilers but you know what I mean.

[rumination888]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

rumination888 wrote...

Viglin wrote...

That.
Sten is even worse, hes been fighting wars all his adult life...and yet doesnt understand needing allies[Redcliff case in point]??????

The are both single minded, and simple minded...which doesnt fit their background...one doesnt get power without allies, and one doesnt win a war without allies.

The defense of Redcliffe quest feels very incomplete. It feels as though you're supposed to be given another path to enter Redcliffe Castle. Their disapproval was supposed to make you think about your actions. Its as if the devs had something more planned, but didn't have time to put it all in. Try refusing to defend redcliffe and you'll see what I mean. I'd have an easier time explaining this if this was in the spoiler forum.

I think they are expecting you to leave to seek allies elsewhere and come back...can't really say any more due to spoilers.  But either way, as it is presented now their disapproval doesn't really paint them in a good light, though fortunately if you have a good enough coercion skill then you can, um again spoilers but you know what I mean.

If they expect you to seek allies elsewhere then thatd be a major plothole if you head to Redcliffe last.
Have you tried refusing to defend the town? How the story proceeds to grant you access to Redcliffe Castle is really out of place.

[FlintlockJazz]

rumination888 wrote...

If they expect you to seek allies elsewhere then thatd be a major plothole if you head to Redcliffe last.
Have you tried refusing to defend the town? How the story proceeds to grant you access to Redcliffe Castle is really out of place.

Good point, I always questioned why you couldn't find the, uh, you know, yourself considering it's right there in front of you, or to try scaling the walls or something.  And considering the context of the conversation when you first arrive, it seems to imply there isn't much other choice than helping the villagers.

[Jsmith0730]

rumination888 wrote...

Viglin wrote...

That.
Sten is even worse, hes been fighting wars all his adult life...and yet doesnt understand needing allies[Redcliff case in point]??????

The are both single minded, and simple minded...which doesnt fit their background...one doesnt get power without allies, and one doesnt win a war without allies.

The defense of Redcliffe quest feels very incomplete. It feels as though you're supposed to be given another path to enter Redcliffe Castle. Their disapproval was supposed to make you think about your actions. Its as if the devs had something more planned, but didn't have time to put it all in. Try refusing to defend redcliffe and you'll see what I mean. I'd have an easier time explaining this if this was in the spoiler forum.

Could've had something to do with the Human commoner origin, maybe?

[Errel]

I really liked morrigan, don't bother trying to get on her good side before you did her personal quest though. But even before you do, she's got character, her own mind and shows it

Later in the game, she really opened up to my character.

[Blayzereborn]

It's not hard to imagine why when Morrigan won't become slavishly dedicated to a PC who is her total focus and reason for living.

There's a difference between "I have a mind of my own" and "Everything you do is wrong." So far, Morrigan's the character I call on if there's a positive correlation between punching kittens and ending Blights.

[Hardin4188]

Morrigan likes jewelry so just buy a lot of it and she will still fall in love with you no matter your decisions. Also it helps to do her side quest.

[BlueEyes_Austin]

I liked Morrigan. Yes she likes power. She also likes pretty things...growing up in the swamp, can you blame her? I think another aspect of her personality is that she doesn't self-edit...never had to learn the skill due to her upbringing. That's not being evil.

[mrao]

  Considering Morrigans limited contact with the human race while growing up, I am not surprised that she behaves the way she does. She is not going to have any skill at long term planning because Flemeth plans everything for her. She has been rasied to be short sighted and ignorant of the world at large. Much easier for Flemeth to keep her under control this way. She thinks she is independent, but really isn't. She hates chantry zealots for being conditioned or brainwashed, but is just as brainwashed herself if not moreso, simply by a different master. The PC can break through these layers of conditioning if you choose to talk to her, slowly and gradually, at least that is my theory.

Anyway, yes she is ignorant, the comment she makes when you reach Lothering perfectly illustrates this. She's a barbarian witch who is plucked from the middle of the forest, I did not expect her to have  much in the way of social graces or strategic thinking. I can understand though, due to her aristocratic diction and "know-it-all" attitude, that people will expect her to have these things. Honestly her manner of speaking, which seems like it would be at home in a Jane Austen novel, was the biggest surprise to me.

As someone who likes Morrigan, its not hard at all to understand why people don't want to deal with a rather contradictory character like her.

I love Marmite. But no matter what I say I would never be able to convince my room mate who hates the stuff to eat some . Its a gut thing, in my opinion.

That's not being evil.

Now, I wouldn't say that. I think if you could ask Morrigan this question, she wouldn't say that either. She is not incapable of emotion or caring, but that does not mean she is not corrupt. There is still much of what Flemeth taught in her, regardless of her affections for the PC. Sure, her outlook works great for when you live in a swamp with a scary old crone while being hunted by templars. It is interesting to see how ineffective it is, when she is brought out into the world.

Modifié par mrao, 07 décembre 2009 - 04:03 .

[FlintlockJazz]

mrao wrote...

  Considering Morrigans limited contact with the human race while growing up, I am not surprised that she behaves the way she does. She is not going to have any skill at long term planning because Flemeth plans everything for her. She has been rasied to be short sighted and ignorant of the world at large. Much easier for Flemeth to keep her under control this way. She thinks she is independent, but really isn't. She hates chantry zealots for being conditioned or brainwashed, but is just as brainwashed herself if not moreso, simply by a different master. The PC can break through these layers of conditioning if you choose to talk to her, slowly and gradually, at least that is my theory.

Anyway, yes she is ignorant, the comment she makes when you reach Lothering perfectly illustrates this. She's a barbarian witch who is plucked from the middle of the forest, I did not expect her to have  much in the way of social graces or strategic thinking. I can understand though, due to her aristocratic diction and "know-it-all" attitude, that people will expect her to have these things. Honestly her manner of speaking, which seems like it would be at home in a Jane Austen novel, was the biggest surprise to me.

As someone who likes Morrigan, its not hard at all to understand why people don't want to deal with a rather contradictory character like her.

I love Marmite. But no matter what I say I would never be able to convince my room mate who hates the stuff to eat some . Its a gut thing, in my opinion.

That's not being evil.

Now, I wouldn't say that. I think if you could ask Morrigan this question, she wouldn't say that either. She is not incapable of emotion or caring, but that does not mean she is not corrupt. There is still much of what Flemeth taught in her, regardless of her affections for the PC.

Well, I got a good reason why I dislike her, and if you knew you would be shocked and appalled!  Shocked and appalled I say!  For she turned me into a newt!  I got better fortunately, and we weighed her and she's lighter than a duck, therefore we get to burn her!

Modifié par FlintlockJazz, 07 décembre 2009 - 04:03 .

[DJ Evoke]

she likes things that vibrate

[kevinwastaken]

FlintlockJazz wrote...
burn her!

DJ Evoke wrote...

she likes things that vibrate

For some reason reading that and looking at your portrait made me laugh out loud.

Modifié par kevinwastaken, 07 décembre 2009 - 04:17 .

[Staylost]

She approves when I say, "Get in my tent, woman!"