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Working fixes for FOV in PC Multiplayer! - Bioware Devs: please let us know if this is allowed!


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astheoceansblue

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PLEASE KEEP THE THREAD ACTIVE.

A dev response is pretty essential here, and if you're a veteran PC gamer you know how needed this fix is. If they can't or won't add it to the main game, perhaps they'll allow us to apply the fix ourselves.

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For the uneducated on the matter, please watch these videos:

Part 1 - www.youtube.com/watch
Part 2 - www.youtube.com/watch

This is how the game plays with a 90 degress FOV.

It's easy to do, just takes a little tweak. And this is a fully co-op game so any "advantage" wouldn't matter. Especailly as the fix would be available to use by everyone.

This is what the devs here at Bioware SN have said about modifiing the game: 

 Scylla Costa wrote... 
We are only taking action against players who modify their multiplayer game to gain unfair progression, unfair advantage, or affect the experience of other players.

Examples are (but not limited to):
- Increase leaderboard rating.
- Increase amount of credits received on a match.
- Increase/modify weapon/power stats. 

 

Original post.

Now, adjusting the FOV does not adjust any core gameplay mechanic and it doesn't harm the experience for other players. The ony grey area here is what Bioware consider "unfair advantage". Does the extra view offered by FOV increase constitute an unfair advantage their eyes?

I don't see why it would. not only is a wider FOV pretty essential for some PC set-ups as a standard practise (please see the linked videos at the start of this post if you don't understand why), this fix would be available to anyone wanting to use it. And as this is a co-op game, any advantage offered would not be game breaking.

The risk is of course that they would consider the fix a cheat of some kind and lump it in with the hacks that modify credits won and weapon damage, etc...

Saying all of this, the category "unfair advantage" could potentially be applied to those who have re-mapped the omnikey to split it up into seperate binds for run, cover, and use. And this has been allowed specifically by the devs.

I don't see how adjusting the FOV is any different.

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I spoke with the developer who wrote this app and he told me this: in his experience, fixes like this that don't modify core gameplay mechanics never receive bans. His apps have been tested extensively, on Steam and Origin with many games (Mass Effect, Mw3, BF3, etc...), and he's not heard of one instance of a ban taking place.

This itself is no guarantee, but I thought you'd like to know so you can make up your own mind whether to use it or not.

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Before we go any further, you MUST be 100% aware that this app is currently not risk free to use. Based on all evidence and resoning, the chances of being banned for using this app are slim but it could happen.

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Here's how the fix looks when applied directly to ME3 MP:
Standard FOV (70) - 
http://i50.tinypic.com/2qiaixe.jpg 
Adjusted FOV (90) - 
http://i47.tinypic.com/dfilns.png 

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You can edit the FOV manually using this guide. This can be used for both SP and MP, but if you use this version you'll have to switch between FOV settings to view cutscenes properly (explained in thread). Playing MP should be seamless, though.

The latest app that can be used to make this fix automatically can be found here. This won't require any manual editing and will auto switch for cinematics. This app also lets you zoom between FOV degrees on the fly in game between the default value of 70 degress and a certain percentage either way. Useful if you're not sure exactly what FOV amount will suit you.

Install instructions - Make sure you read as the default settings can cause issues:

download the rar files
extract and install letting it manually install plugins
select the latest game version from the drop down (bottom option) - change the Game Version dropdown from "auto detect" to 1.2.527.16 (Origin)? It will crash if you don't.
deselect menu constraint fix*
run ME3 as normal

once in game use the numberpad + and - keys to adjust fov on the fly.

*the menu constraint fix is for eyefinity set-ups. without it on it reduces the amount of actual hacking and adjusting being done, so in turn reduces the risk of being detected in that way. the only downside we can make out for disabling this is a slightly zoomed out main menus screen. all other in game menus (MP included) appear as normal. 


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I've been using this for a a while now and I've had no problems at all. If you do encounter errors, firstly make sure you've set it up as described exactly, and if you're still having trouble let me know exactly what's happening and I'll feedback as much info to the dev as I can. He's actively updating it, so fixes should come pretty fast.

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Please BIOWARE DEVS, could you let us know if this is okay with you? A simple yes or no. 

Fellow forum dwellers, please keep this thread alive in the hope that a dev response will be forthcoming. I've PMd a few devs, and a friend has tweeted and PMd a few more.

Hopefully we'l get a response soon!

Thanks everyone!

Modifié par astheoceansblue, 26 avril 2012 - 02:15 .


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That guy explained it so simple even I understood it.

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astheoceansblue

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Please contribute to this thread. I see no reason not to allow this, and the more you post the more a dev is likely to respond.

Cheers!

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*BUMP*

Weird FOV can cause all sorts of problems from headaches to nausea in some people. This is pretty important.

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Mass Effect Wiki: Editing FOV

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astheoceansblue

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Ko[/u][u]rjyan wrote...

Mass Effect Wiki: Editing FOV


The problem with directly editing the Coalesced.bin is that you can easily edit other values to imbalance the game. Of course, manual edits would be the easiest way around the FOV problem, but I'm not sure Bioware are goign to allow it for the simple reason it could inspire further manual edits. 

Also, editing that file can reportedly get you banned/your characters and items wiped.

If the Widescren fixer were allowed, it edits ony the FOV value and doesn't allow any other changes. Not sure if they could track whether the application or a manual edit was used, so not sure if this would even be worth considering.

Either way, an FOV fix is needed. 

Edited the OP a little.

Modifié par astheoceansblue, 23 avril 2012 - 03:23 .


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I totally support this, so bump it up!

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/signed

And I want the text chat! And a multiplayer patch fixing all those current problems!

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agreed!

OP Those vids were great.

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/signed.

It is beyond stupid that a PC game doesn't have FOV adjustment. It's such basic stuff, done already in games like Quake 20 years ago.

I can understand Bioware not implementing it because in single-player, adjusting gameplay fov messes up the conversation camera. But in multiplayer, we should have that option, and should've had it on release. Just like with server browser, ping, text chat etc. basic multiplayer features.

Modifié par cruc1al, 23 avril 2012 - 04:23 .


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Excuse the dumb question, but what does FOV mean?

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born2beagator wrote...

Excuse the dumb question, but what does FOV mean?


Feild of View/Vision.

Watch the videos I linked to see an explanation and how its implementation is extremely important in game development.

Modifié par astheoceansblue, 23 avril 2012 - 04:39 .


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+1

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How is this fair at all for console players? Unless there is a way for us to do this, you won't get it

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maxtofunator wrote...

How is this fair at all for console players? Unless there is a way for us to do this, you won't get it


Your underpowered hardware is why the fov is so low in the first place. PC already has trhings you don't like mods, graphics options, and custom control configurations.

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astheoceansblue wrote...
Also, editing that file can reportedly get you banned/your characters and items wiped.

I have used the FOV fix since launch, still going strong here. They will not ban you for a few edits in such a file, even if they cared to detect such things they would start with origin replacing the file if it did not match the checksum.

In short, the FOV fix is legal.

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maxtofunator wrote...

How is this fair at all for console players? Unless there is a way for us to do this, you won't get it


I don't think you understand the issue at all. Please watch the videos I linked to, cheers!

Zehtuka wrote...

astheoceansblue wrote...
Also, editing that file can reportedly get you banned/your characters and items wiped.

I have used the FOV fix since launch, still going strong here. They will not ban you for a few edits in such a file, even if they cared to detect such things they would start with origin replacing the file if it did not match the checksum.

In short, the FOV fix is legal.

 

It's not legal until there's been official word that it is. I'm not willing to risk editing something that could easily be targeted on the whim of the devs as ban/wipe worthy.

Modifié par astheoceansblue, 23 avril 2012 - 04:48 .


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Cobra84 wrote...

maxtofunator wrote...

How is this fair at all for console players? Unless there is a way for us to do this, you won't get it


Your underpowered hardware is why the fov is so low in the first place. PC already has trhings you don't like mods, graphics options, and custom control configurations.

Plus, we're not even allowed in the same MP matches. PC players don't have an advantage over console players, because we're never allowed to mingle in the first place.

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Kikaimegami wrote...

Cobra84 wrote...

maxtofunator wrote...

How is this fair at all for console players? Unless there is a way for us to do this, you won't get it


Your underpowered hardware is why the fov is so low in the first place. PC already has trhings you don't like mods, graphics options, and custom control configurations.

Plus, we're not even allowed in the same MP matches. PC players don't have an advantage over console players, because we're never allowed to mingle in the first place.


And gaining an advantage doesn't even apply to a fully co-op game, anyway. This is about giving all PC players the option to configure the game properly for PC players.

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Kikaimegami wrote...

Cobra84 wrote...

maxtofunator wrote...

How is this fair at all for console players? Unless there is a way for us to do this, you won't get it


Your underpowered hardware is why the fov is so low in the first place. PC already has trhings you don't like mods, graphics options, and custom control configurations.

Plus, we're not even allowed in the same MP matches. PC players don't have an advantage over console players, because we're never allowed to mingle in the first place.


This isn't what I'm saying exactly. It is more based on the idea that they try to keep the games as close to being the same as they can, which is why modders get banned...
You can edit the FOV by yourself, and go ahead and do it, but I say that bioware should not ALLOW you to do

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astheoceansblue wrote...

maxtofunator wrote...

How is this fair at all for console players? Unless there is a way for us to do this, you won't get it


I don't think you understand the issue at all. Please watch the videos I linked to, cheers!

Zehtuka wrote...

astheoceansblue wrote...
Also, editing that file can reportedly get you banned/your characters and items wiped.

I have used the FOV fix since launch, still going strong here. They will not ban you for a few edits in such a file, even if they cared to detect such things they would start with origin replacing the file if it did not match the checksum.

In short, the FOV fix is legal.

 

It's not legal until there's been official word that it is. I'm not willing to risk editing something that could easily be targeted on the whim of the devs as ban/wipe worthy.

If they would suddenly start checking the file integrity they would not ban every random joe out there with an incorrect checksum. If you ever played a game with Punkbuster you should know that you get kicked for an "MD5  checksum error" rather than a character wipe/account ban.

You will also never receive an official word that "we recommend players to edit this file for our game with a 3rd party tool so they can have the FOV they want!". In fact I suspect they will never reply to this issue or fix it since we use the same config file for SP as MP.

Modifié par Zehtuka, 23 avril 2012 - 04:53 .


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I tried Widescreen Fixer recently and it works great. It reverts itself to a narrow FOV in cutscenes so they still look how they supposed to.

I hope the devs comment on this. It is after all a health concern for many players who are sensitive to narrow FOVs.

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astheoceansblue wrote...


And gaining an advantage doesn't even apply to a fully co-op game, anyway. This is about giving all PC players the option to configure the game properly for PC players.



Some players have an unhealthy attachment to their total points per match.

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/signed. I don't personally suffer from the problems this causes but I know people who do and it needs to be fixed. As totalbiscuit might say, PC games should be fit for purpose and a PC game without FoV is not fit for purpose.

Kikaimegami wrote...

astheoceansblue wrote...


And
gaining an advantage doesn't even apply to a fully co-op game, anyway.
This is about giving all PC players the option to configure the game
properly for PC players.



Some players have an unhealthy attachment to their total points per match.


Adding a FoV slider in game nulls that argument against it anyway, anyone could change their FoV to be the same as anyone elses. Just lock the max setting at around 90-100 degrees.

Modifié par Quxorda, 23 avril 2012 - 04:56 .


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Fredvdp wrote...

I tried Widescreen Fixer recently and it works great. It reverts itself to a narrow FOV in cutscenes so they still look how they supposed to.

I hope the devs comment on this. It is after all a health concern for many players who are sensitive to narrow FOVs.

Seriously. I have vision problems and only one eye. I hate getting migraines from games I like to play just because I'm not allowed to change some of the settings when they're quite easily changed with a bit of configuration file edits.