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[Cobra's_back]

DJBare wrote...

Anyone else feeling glad this is not reality?, seriously some of the people here would have me real nervous if this was real.

Yes. I'm glad our government thinks it is a criminal offense.

[fchopin]

DJBare wrote...

Anyone else feeling glad this is not reality?, seriously some of the people here would have me real nervous if this was real.

Yes i agree, if this was possible i would be very nervous

[Kidd]

zarnk567 wrote...

Tales of Symphonia was an amazing game.

It sure was. I have such a hard time not accepting the villain's words as gospel =) Synthesis

[wright1978]

YNation913 wrote...
 
I think we can all agree that the nuances of the explanation leave a lot to be desired. Yes, the idea of a "new" DNA makes little sense when thinking about it too long. The real question is whether synthesis really harms life in the galaxy. I feel that based on what little we're told and shown, we have good reason to believe that it does not.

Well as far as i can see it, either synthesis harms life or else it doesn't and these new lifeforms could produce AI's and therefore reapers will harvest them.

[Taboo]

What happens to synthetics? Do they grow feelings? Skin?

We only ever talk about what happens to us.

[Cobra's_back]

fchopin wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Anyone else feeling glad this is not reality?, seriously some of the people here would have me real nervous if this was real.

Yes i agree, if this was possible i would be very nervous

If this was possible call your congressperson. Thank god it is not legally possible.

[Zaalbar]

I believe if Hitler was around today, He'd be a huge fan of this ending. Its wrong, disgusting and just plain goes against the themes that made Mass Effect so special.

[DJBare]

I don't want my DNA changed, I don't want to become a new life form, as an individual I refuse, as an individual I will not be convinced to change my view.

So if the pro-synthesis group wish to continue, then you have taken away my freedom to choose.

PS. the above is a scenario obviously.

[Drummernate]

Hmmm....

Geth mixing with organics seems awkward... and it would make them less awesome.

But other organics mixing with Geth... that makes it more awesome.

[Wolven_Soul]

Ieldra2 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

What about Joker and EDI?

Okay, really. What about them? What do we see in 10 seconds that tells us whether they've been changed or not?
How does that change that synthesis is what the Reapers want?

Then again you seem to be okay with war criminals winning so nevermind.

No, I am open to the idea of co-existence instead of destruction or enslaving. And you're judging the Reapers by human standards again, which is - recall the rewrite/destroy heretics comment from Legion - misplaced.

How can you co-exist with a race of beings whose only purpose is to destroy space faring civilizations every 50 thousand years?  The Reapers do not sit around discussing philosophy over tea and crumpets.  They do not take their kids to baseball games, they do not create art.  They do nothing but destroy and sleep.  That is it, that is the extent of their entire existance.

[kyg_20X6]

"Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!"

[fchopin]

Drummernate wrote...

Hmmm....

Geth mixing with organics seems awkward... and it would make them less awesome.

But other organics mixing with Geth... that makes it more awesome.

I dont see any difference from the two choices.

[Kidd]

zaalbar76 wrote...

I believe if Hitler was around today, He'd be a huge fan of this ending. Its wrong, disgusting and just plain goes against the themes that made Mass Effect so special.

I don't think what happened during his regime and the synthesis ending has much in common. One scenario goes "Everyone who is not like me is unclean, and I will purge the world" while the other is "I am unclean, so are you, let's become better together." Very, very different premises

Modifié par KiddDaBeauty, 23 avril 2012 - 05:20 .

[Wolven_Soul]

Anduin The Grey wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Gyroscopic_Trout wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

That's just an excuse. If you want to explore, choose Control and check. *Then* you can fly those Reapers who don't want to exist anymore in a black hole. Or chosse Synthesis and set them free. Maybe some will fly into the next star.

But that's just it; they don't want anything.  They have no free will.  Legion even told us this in ME2; he described Sovereign as being many programs (presumably former people) controlled by a single will.  If the Catalyst had really preserved anything, wouldn't the Reapers display more free will?  That little punk had used them to destroy their own civilizations after all, wouldn't one or two of them have maybe told him to go jump in a lake or something?  At best, those people are just data, no longer sentient.  At worst, they're slaves.

And if you choose synthesis, and the Reapers just leave, where do you think they'll go?  What do you think they'll do?  I'd wager they'd just sit there and do nothing for the next ten billion years.  Given that they are the biggest mass murderers in the history of the galaxy I think destroy is exceedingly charitable.

Then Destroy is a valid choice for you. Good. But isn't for me. I'm just saying Synthesis is another valid choice.

Besides, disgust is not a category of a rational morality.

No, but wrong is. And synthesis is wrong, morally and ethically, not to mention scientifically or logically.

What is it about synthesis that is wrong, morally and ethically not to mention scientifcally or logically?

Someone is not paying attention.

[Henioo]

Generally on the concept of Synthesis.

It's just too weird. So, what, plants are partly synthetic, now? Is metal organic? Can Normandy bleed now? Is my gun gonna be offended if I change it to a newer model? Can those hybrids breed? If so, can they die? What about overpopulation?

Stuff just don't make no sense.

Modifié par Henioo, 23 avril 2012 - 05:22 .

[Drummernate]

fchopin wrote...

Drummernate wrote...

Hmmm....

Geth mixing with organics seems awkward... and it would make them less awesome.

But other organics mixing with Geth... that makes it more awesome.

I dont see any difference from the two choices.

A Synthetic mixing with a Organic seems odd...

A Organic mixing with a Synthetic makes more sense.

Kinda like if you were to mix a Crocodile and a Gecko, or a Gecko and a Crocodile.

They would look totally different based on what the beggining product was.

[Sohlito]

A truly wise man said it best:

"Dead reapers are how we win this." - Admiral Hackett

Destroy accomplishes this. With regards to the Geth and EDI:

"Their sacrifice will be honored in the coming empire." - Javik

Modifié par Sohlito, 23 avril 2012 - 05:28 .

[Wolven_Soul]

The Angry One wrote...

Cypher_CS wrote...

Jeez....

No, you aren't getting this.

It's not about Destroying the Reapers, it's about the Life in the ENTIRE Galaxy.
If you're a damn Xenophobe and just Renegade everything (don't be nitpicky here, just an extreme example) - then Destroy is your obvious choice.
Screw everybody. Let Dog sort them out.

If you're power hungry, then Control is the obvious choice for you. Isn't it?

It's not about the decisions Shepard made when faced with Reapers only, it's the overall themes.

Why are you thinking one dimensionally?
It's not about mirroring all your former choices against Geth on the next Geth choice. Or vs Asari on your next Asari related choice, and vs Reapers on your next Reaper related choice.
It's about all those decisions coming together.

It's about saving that life FROM the Reapers.
Synthesis compromises that life permanently, it violates and mutates that life into something the Reapers tolerate, hence they leave it alone.
That is a complete betrayal of every theme in the game.

Control is not so much a betrayal as it is poorly set up. It could work as an ultra renegade choice, but it comes out of the blue, mere minutes after Shepard argues that control is impossible due to being far too much of a gamble.

I never thought about it before, but control being a feasible option pretty much does make the whole arguement with the Illusive man pretty much pointless.

[Galifreya]

Yep. It's disgusting, all right. ONE person is allowed to make this decision? BULLSH*T. IT or bust.

[General User]

Wolven_Soul wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...
Sorry, but the reapers are the kind of species that goes out shopping for fruit every Wednesday. They kill organic civiliaztions, that's what they were created to do.

Not, they're created for preserving something of the Reaperized species, possibly their collective minds (each of us is a nation). In any other respect, they're just the Catalyst's tools.

They are just the Catalyst's tools.  What exactly is it that they preseving anyway?  It is obvious that the wills of those they harvest are destroyed, otherwise there is no way in hell that those people would willingly work towards the Reapers goals.

I would rather my memory be preserved in a museum or something rather than some giant killer robot.

Aye.  The individual beings and persons of the harvested species are destroyed.  As are their wills, their psyches, their personas, and their cultures as wholes.

The only thing that might possibly remians is their data, but even that much is questionable and could be much more easily accomplished by other means.

[InHarmsWay]

My biggest problem with the synthesis ending is when the starchild calls it the apex of evolution.

Anyone with a basic understanding of biology and evolution know that there is no such thing as the apex of evolution. Evolution is a continuous process where organisms (both biological and non-biological) continue to adapt to their environments. Organisms have to adapt or face extinction. If we take the starchild at its word, then we just stagnated evolution in all life in the galaxy. This means we just doomed all life in the galaxy because it can no longer adapt. Diseases and the environment can wipe out everything.

[Drummernate]

InHarmsWay wrote...

My biggest problem with the synthesis ending is when the starchild calls it the apex of evolution.

Anyone with a basic understanding of biology and evolution know that there is no such thing as the apex of evolution. Evolution is a continuous process where organisms (both biological and non-biological) continue to adapt to their environments. Organisms have to adapt or face extinction. If we take the starchild at its word, then we just stagnated evolution in all life in the galaxy. This means we just doomed all life in the galaxy because it can no longer adapt. Diseases and the environment can wipe out everything.

You miss the point then.

If you combine synthetics with organics, you can no longer get diseases. You can no longer go extinct unless they begin killing each other, you no longer need to eat, drink, sleep, or anything like that.

Micro-evolution will always happen.

Macro... not... really.

[fchopin]

Drummernate wrote...

fchopin wrote...

Drummernate wrote...

Hmmm....

Geth mixing with organics seems awkward... and it would make them less awesome.

But other organics mixing with Geth... that makes it more awesome.

I dont see any difference from the two choices.

A Synthetic mixing with a Organic seems odd...

A Organic mixing with a Synthetic makes more sense.

Kinda like if you were to mix a Crocodile and a Gecko, or a Gecko and a Crocodile.

They would look totally different based on what the beggining product was.

If you chop them up and make a salad they will look the same whatever you pick up first.

[Wolven_Soul]

You know one of the biggest problems with any of the endings, is that not a single one of them solves the problems that the Catalyst seems to be so worried about.  In each one of them, the creation of full fledged synthetics is still possible.  So...in the end, what do any of these endings really do in the grand scheme of things?

[Cobra's_back]

InHarmsWay wrote...

My biggest problem with the synthesis ending is when the starchild calls it the apex of evolution.

Anyone with a basic understanding of biology and evolution know that there is no such thing as the apex of evolution. Evolution is a continuous process where organisms (both biological and non-biological) continue to adapt to their environments. Organisms have to adapt or face extinction. If we take the starchild at its word, then we just stagnated evolution in all life in the galaxy. This means we just doomed all life in the galaxy because it can no longer adapt. Diseases and the environment can wipe out everything.

I hear you. The writer doesn't understand evolution.